Re: CPR Fowler box car end bracing:

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>

Thanks Jim for the reference to the Westerfield material. Actually, I have quite a number of the Westerfield kits (dark grey resin), but the instruction sheets don't break down the cars with differing end bracing styles - perhaps they are older sheets? It does indicate that number series 100000 - 139998 (even) and 200000 - 212499 are two brace cars, and that the earlier cars had more end braces. In any event, I was also referred to the Westerfield web page, and there one finds a very useful breakdown for all the cars which I expect I'll be able to follow.

Re the sides: its not the prototype sides that need to be or were changed. I was referring to the Canadian Hobbycraft boxcar model of a few years ago, which has 2 equally spaced side panels either side of the doors. It ought to have wider panels next to the doors and narrower ones toward the ends. They do this very nicely with the stock car model, and since the bracing (on both cars) is composed of glued on add-ons to the injection moulded car side, I am merely suggesting they use the side bracing from the stock cars to improve the box cars. Frankly, if they would just sell the side bracing for both car types as detail items, I'd be happy to use them for a number of projects.

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: "jim peters" <mikado2206@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:16 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] CPR Fowler box car end bracing:

Good morning,

The information sheet from the Westerfield kits is most likely the best
summary you will find. Also check Ian's site

I was unaware of any changes were ever made to the side framing.

Jim Peters
Coquitlam, BC

From: Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] CPR Fowler box car end bracing:
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:11:45 -0700

I am in the midst of modifying a few Canadian Hobbycraft fowler boxcars and
was considering modifying then ends which presently have two "Z" section
vertical braces.

As I understand it, while two was common enough, some cars had three and
others four. I am wondering if there is an article or other reference out
there I have somehow missed that attempts to sort out what number series
were which. (Yes, I know the number series present their own issues as
of the cars were renumbered after construction. I model 1946 - if that
helps). Alternately, perhaps there is a source that notes which of the
manufacturers, if any, used the various end bracing patterns. (The extra
ribs may all have been rebuilds as the cars aged.)

By the way, it strikes me that these models should be re-run by the
manufacturer - but with a modification from the earlier production.
of using the equal spaced side bracing the original run received, they
to use the more correct unequally spaced bracing used on the stock car
models..... A new floor - similar in quality to that used by True Line
Trains on their recent CNR 1937 AAR cars would also be a welcome

Thanks in advance,

Rob Kirkham
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