Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>


If the numbers in the 47 ORER are believable, it would suggest that almost all of the CV hoppers were at one time modified to the "blister" style. Don't have any real source information to that effect and we all know the ORER's weren't infallible, but that is what the numbers in the '47 ORER suggest, since they show 185 cars at the "expanded" capacity.

What does seem apparent from the '47 ORER, Armand's comment about the '49 ORER and your comments about the 1951 status of panel vs. straight sides, is that from 1947 to the very early '50's, CV had a deliberate program in place to convert the majority of the panel side hoppers back to straight side. Don't know why, but there may be an AFE in the archives that gives a reason. You might ask of Jim Murphy.

So, at some point in time during the conversion "back", I'm sure a roster showed 100 "blisters" and that may be where John Riddell got his numbers, depending on what point and time

he was using as a reference.

Actually, you can park unmodified PRR GL's at the WRJ tower - photo evidence exists.

What is the status of the WRJ tower kit?

Sorry, won't make the convention, but hope you have a good time.


On Sep 23, 2007, at 11:16 AM, cvsne wrote:


I know that by 1951 there was only one car listed with the blister panels -- but I've always
thought half the hoppers were rebuilt with blister sides.

This is what John Riddell showed in his article in RMC (10/96) --

man, a simple little modeling project to have a couple of modified PRR GLs to park under
the White River coal tower has turned into a real mystery . . .

See you at the convention next weekend?


--- In STMFC@..., Richard Dermody <ddermody@...> wrote:


The July 1947 ORER paints a little bit different picture.

It lists two lines for CV hoppers;

Line 4 is Hopper, Twin, Steel panel sides, series 20000 to 20199, cu
ft 1769, 185 cars.

Line 5 is Hopper, Steel, Twin, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1680, 10

Note B to the hoppers is as follows:

Note B - Individual numbers of cars in series 20000 to 20199 equipped
with straight sides and differing in cubical capacity from other cars
in same series; capacity 1,680 cu. ft.: 20031 20077 20078 20094 20109
20115 20136 20145 20179 20191.

So it seems that in 1947, the majority (185) of the hoppers were
panel (blister) side while 10 were straight side, but by your 1951
ORER the numbers had essentially reversed so only 10 cars remained
with panel sides.


On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity. The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,


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