Re: P&WV "Symbol of Service" paint scheme


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As someone who has handled many Paul Dunn negatives in their original envelopes, I can say that Paul?rarely put color data on the envelopes. His early negatives, to the end of the 1950s, were usually in pale brown cash envelopes a little bigger then a 616 negative, with the data typewritten on the envelope. In the 1960s he switched to glassine envelopes with the data hand written on it.

That data usually included the railroad, car number, type, class, location, and date. Only if the car color or marking was new or unusual (such as one of the first PRR orange cabooses), did he add a notation (such as "Orange" or "Large Lettering") on the envelope.

In the 1980s when he was selling off large parts of his negative collection, he put a lot of negatives, which he evidently did not take himself, in white envelopes made by cutting down larger ones and sealing one end with a small sticker, with the data hand written on the envelope. And that data was?quite unreliable, BTW. It appeared that he had acquired the negatives from others who didn't supply data, so he just made up whatever he liked. In extreme cases the results were ludicrous: dates years before the cars were built or last repacked, summer dates with several inches of snow on the ground, and (in the days before run-through)?cabooses?hundreds of miles from home rails. Sometimes he even ignored data that was hand-inked on the margins of the negative.

To sum up: be wary of his dates/locations unless he is known to have taken the negative himself, or it can be clearly identified via other means as having been taken when/where he says it was. Many of his own freight car negatives seem to have been taken in the PRR yard along the banks of the?Muskingum River in Zanesville and are easily identified by the background of tall trees. Paul did trade with other photographers, but only occasionally did he specify who they were.

This is important, because Paul Dunn was one of the?relatively few?photographers of freight cars. He apparently started to take them in the early 1940s (though ones that old are rare), and kept at it fairly heavily through the 1960s, when 616 film became scarce.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: P&WV "Symbol of Service" paint scheme







On May 22, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

That photo of a "red" box car with the "Symbol.." logo originally
appeared as
a black and white photo, with a scale date of 1954 or so, and
honestly,
appears to have been colorized. That is why it has a grey background
on the
herald. Look at the photo closely. Do you see the green rendering of
the
grass? Does it look hazy, and like it doesn't apply to individual
blades? I
am very suspicious of that photo.

As far as I have also ever heard, the "Symbol of service" logo was
not found
on cars before about 1958, which is about the time they shifted to
black for
box cars. The symbol logo was not used on any channel hoppers I have
ever
seen photos of, but was on the offsets, some of which were
rehabilitated in
that timeframe (1958 to ~ 1961). I have never seen photos of P&WV box
cars in
dates prior to about 1958, as evidenced by scale/re-weigh dates, with
the
symbol logo.
Elden,
I offer the following information from in-service photos I have
acquired (all are B&W). Per photos in the 1200-series, the slogan was
in use by April 1954. Photos of 1200 series are from cars built 2-47 by
AC&F (series 1200-1299). Photos of the 1300 series are PS-1s built
11-48 (series 1300-1399).

#1231, RK. 4-54 reweigh, symbol of "Service" slogan, Col. Chet McCoid
photo at Tacoma, Washington, 2-18-55, Bob's Photo.
#1236, RK. 4-54 reweigh, symbol of "Service" slogan, Paul Dunn photo
ca. 1956, Richard Burg collection.
#1314, RK. 3-59 reweigh, symbol of "Service" slogan, Jay Williams
collection.
#1356, MAD. 11-52 reweigh, no slogan, Paul Dunn photo ca. mid-1950s,
Bob Lorenz collection.
#1358, BC 6-53 reweigh, no slogan, W.C. Whittaker photo 5-29-55 at
Portland, Oregon. (original paint)
#1375, NEW 11-48, no slogan, George Sisk photo June 1949 at Joplin,
Missouri. (original paint)
#1384, RK. 1-64 reweigh, symbol of "Service" slogan, Bob Lorenz
collection.
#1392, RK. 11-57, no slogan, photo taken 12-12-57 at Providence, R.I.,
Bob's Photo. (original paint)

I cannot tell with any degree of certainty what color these cars were.
The 1236 doesn't look black, but the photo was taken with full sunlight
on the broadside view, so anything is possible. I wonder if Paul Dunn
made any comments about the color on the negative sleeve.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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