----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Kirkham
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN1152 - type 11 tank car


Hi Rich,

You've made a rivet counter out of me this evening..... (Nah! I was already
a rivet counter - Go Archer!). I was counting the double rivet row along
the horizontal seem on the GN tank - and to make it easy counted just the
top row of rivets for the first (nearest) course - numbering 26 I think.
That took me to Ed Kaminski's "Tank Cars" where I stumbled across GN295589 -
a 12000 gallon car - see p.86. Too dark an image to count rivets however.
But SP49107 on p.93 - also 12000 gallons - does show the rivets well - and I
count 26 there as well (assuming two largely hidden by the tank band).

So assuming the rivet spacing is a fairly predictable basis for estimating
the length of comparable design and vintage tank cars, I don't think a case
can be sustained that the GN car in the E-bay photo was too long to be AC&F.
But I'd be happy to give it another thought if I'm missing something here.

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Yoder" <oscale48@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] GN1152 - type 11 tank car

> Hi Rob,
> I am by no means an ACF Tank car expert but to my eye this isn't an ACF
> car. I think it's too long to be from the type 11 series which was very
> similar to the type 7 cars in design which I am very familiar with. Type
> 7 cars were all 33' long with the tank diameter differing to obtain a
> greater capacity. In addition the dome appears to be much larger in
> diameter than an ACF style dome of the early teens vintage.
>
> Sincerely, Rich Yoder
> 7 Edgedale Court
> Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
> 610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM
> www.richyodermodels.com
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>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
> Rob Kirkham
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:24 AM
> To: STMFC@...
> Subject: [STMFC] GN1152 - type 11 tank car
>
> I noticed this car on Ebay tonight - what looks like a AC&F type 11 car
> with
> the upper tank made of 5 radial courses; the lower tank one single
> horizontal course. Ebay auction 160252407483. Single rivet seems used
> except along the horizontal seem. I can't tell if it was an 8000 or
> 10000
> gallon car? Would this have been original equipment on the GN or someon
>
> else's purchase, sold as used later on?
>
> Rob Kirkham
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