Re: First offset-sides steel coal car


The VGN 50000 was not an offset side car. It was an outside rib battleship

According to Martin Karig in "Coal Cars the First Three Hundred Years" The
first offset cars were built for the C&O in 1921 (pg 261) #100000 - 100999.
The first patent for the design was issued to John A. Pilcher (# 1,433,096)
on Oct 24, 1922. The next patent was issued to Enterprise (#1,537,051) May
1925. Wine received a patent for a different offset design in 1929
(#1,698,866). A fourth patent was issued to William F. Kiesel, Jr. Mechanical Engineer
for the PRR in 1931 (#1,834,952) and was used in the PRR class H27. (See pg
74 of Karig) See also Karig pg 298-329 for photos. The Wine design was
licensed to the ARA and was adopted as the 1928 standard practice design.

Rich Or

In a message dated 10/22/2008 4:42:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
water.kresse@... writes:


What and when was the first offset-sides construction coal car? I've
the VGN 50000 120-ton gon blt June 1917 by Pressed Stl Car Co and VGN
G4 Class blt in Nov 1920. Earlier N&W 90-ton gons were flush-sides
cars. C&O 100000-10999 91-ton gons were not blt until Feb 1922
(Pressed Stl and Standard Stl car co's).

Did the Pressed Steel Car Company have a patent on this design?

Enterprise has a patent that is similar but for a hopper car
construction in awarded in 1925.

Al Kresse


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