Re: 36' Fowler/Dominion cars and "almosts"...


laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

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I've been poking around trying to compile a list of 36' "Fowler"
cars...
I've gotten to a stage now where I've got a short list of definitely
Fowler/Dominion cars, and a longer list of possibles (of which I'm
sure a
number are actually DS cars, but can't tell that from the ORER
info...)

For the cars I'm sure are Fowlers or almost-those, the list is (*
marks
those I've got photos for):

CN, various series
CP, various series

Algoma Central 3001-3020, 3051-3080
BAR 9000-9699*, 9800-10399
DW&P 400800-401549
Erie 86000-86999, 93000-93999*
Fc. Mexicano 8100-8199*
GTW 417500-420149*, 440300-440627
NC&StL 16100-16599*, 13500-15099, 15100-16099
NdeM 65700-65800*
New York, Susquehanna & Western 1500-1563*
Piedmont & Northern 12000-12074*
Quebec Central 3100-3198*
Quebec Rly, Light & Power 1016-1029, 1100-1109, 1110-1119
Roberval-Saguenay 536-537
SOO 12800-14298*
Sydney & Louisburg 102-115
TEM 80000-80098, 80100-80198, 80200-80398, 80400-80498*
TH&B 3000-3132, 4000-4301*
WM 28002-28003 (ex-Erie)

Now, the others I'm not certain of, but tend to assume so based on
evidence of other Fowler series with the road (or with the
parent/close
relative road):

BAR 8100-8599, 8700-8799
CNJ 14000-14499 (drawing seems to suggest it)
CV 70731-71730, 71800-72049
DSS&A 11067-11569
NC&StL 24500-24599
SOO 28312+28456, 106600-107908, 108056-109908
M&StL 26000-26400
WAB 78000-78199 (read about these, are they 36' or 40'?)

And these are the "just guessing" that might well be DS cars or
other
unrelated things:

Ala., Tenn. & Northern 15001-15150
Ann Arbor 69000-69286
B&M 12138-12258, 12301-12392, 64682-68247, 68317, 68333-68390
Belt Rly of Chicago 802-850, 852-862
C&EI 37002-37748, 635-699
Canton RR 400-420
CIL 2000-3600 (or were these the Monon SU cars?)
Clinchfield 3300-3833
Delaware & Northern 501-551
Detroit & Mackinac 2751
DMIR 5342-5390
FW&D 4400-5299
GM&O 43000-43299 (or were these SU cars?)
Kentucky & Tennessee 304-306
L&A 1851-1859
L&N 4000-5049, 5350-5549, 5050-5199, 5300-5349, 5550-5999, 6001-
6999,
7000-7182, 7300-7499, 9000-9799
Lake Superior & Ishpeming 2026
Manistique & Lake Superior 50-52
Manufacturers Junction 1040-1049
Minnesota, Dakota & Western 3004-3005
Mississippi Central 4000-4109
MKTT 170000-170228
MN&S 2501-2510
Montana, Wyoming & Southern 326-569
NdeM 44000-44016, 13503-13515
NdeT 2010-3595
NKP 97000-97999
NYO&W 9201-9907
Reading 2000-3999, 14500-14999, 15700-15999, 17500-18479, 18500-
18699
SN 2101-2105, 2249
SPdeM 8304-8820
Tremont & Gulf 476, 666, 674
Wyandotte Terminal 38, 80, 82, 84

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC
Hi Frank

The NEB&W web site lists the DW&P 400800-401549 series as double
sheathed, built by Haskell & Barker in 1917. They were originally in
the 30000-31498 series; the 1932 ORER lists cars in both series.

Here are some additional cars that are Fowler, Fowler-like, or 36'
single-sheathed:

B&O 178500-178841, 190300-190398 (Former CI&W 18301-18650, 19201-
19300, Fowler, MM, Apr. 1986)
BAR 10000-10139 (SS, Al Brown, STMFC #75622, 8/24/08)
The Belt Railway Co. of Chicago 801-850 (SS, Jan. 1938 ORER, p. 486)
CGW 27000-27998 (SS, AC&F photo of 27904, lot 7504)
Central Railroad Company of Pennsylvania 14000-14499 (Fowler-like,
NEB&W web site)
ERIE 80995, 85000-85999 (SS or Fowler-like, MM, Apr. 1986)
GA 18500-18674 (SS, Jan. 1938 ORER, p. 97)
GT 100000-102999 (in 1932 ORER GTW, but with GT markings) (Fowler,
Westerfield web site)
IC 11000-11344 (SS, 1927 IC equipment list – personal communication
from Ray Breyer)
ITC 8000-8199 (Fowler or Fowler-like, NEB&W web site)
Chicago South Shore & South Bend R.R., 1501-1505 (Fowler or Fowler-
like, NEB&W web site)
NH 70000-70999, 170000-170999 (Built as DS, but rebuilt as SS in 1927-
1928, Westerfield 10500 series)
NKP 97000-97999 (Former TStL&W 7000-7999, Fowler, MM, Apr. 1986)
Pittsburg, Shawmut and Northern 9900-9949 (SS, personal communication
from Ray Breyer)
SB&M 1254-2050 (SS, NEB&W web site)
WABASH 75000-77199 (SS 36' 5", Jan. 1938 ORER, p. 444, AC&F photos of
75699 and 76200, lots 6615 and 8063)
WABASH 77200-78199 (SS 36' 5", Jan. 1938 ORER, p. 444)

Many of your hypothesized Fowler cars are DS: CV, AT&N, AA,
Clinchfield, FW&D, L&N, MD&W, MSC, MKTT, NYO&W, RDG, and T&G.
(Sources: NEB&W web site or STMFC posts.)

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh,
Laramie, Wyoming

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