Re: Need Help with Photo Location

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>

A few thoughts here. Would the cars have been destined to, or be
from, the West Side Freight Line?

And how did the cars get to New York City in the first place? Likely
on NYC NY-4, routed through Elkhart, Detroit, St. Thomas, Niagara
Falls, and the Falls Road Line to Rochester. It carried Santa Fe
reefers on the head end, and was probably THE hottest freight train
on the Caso.

And those Santa Fe reefers are quite filthy on the outside. Much
dirtier than most modellers dare to weather cars. Contrasting the
cars' dirtiness is the almost manicured lawn and shrubberies around
the interlocking tower.

Steve Lucas.

-- In STMFC@..., "Robert Bogie" <robertb@...> wrote:


The photo was taken on the NYC Electric Division. The exact
location is at the south end of the Mott Haven coach yard. The large
building behind the reefers is a US Post Office building and the
interlocking tower to the right is MO Tower. The cars are sitting on
the mainline from Grand Central Terminal and at that point they are
curving to the west to head towards Spuyten Duyvil, before turning to
the north to Harmon and then points west. The tracks that can be seen
in the foreground are the approach leads to Mott Haven yard and part
of yard A. Out of view in the foreground are the mainline tracks for
the Harlem Division. To the left out of view is the road overbridge
for E 149th Street. Also out of view to the right of the photo and
behind MO tower are the two tracks that connect the mainline to the
Harlem Division and the Port Morris branch, which is where you would
normally expect to see freight cars. So the photo raises the question
of why these freight reefers are sitting on this busy passenger
mainline. The date would be prior to mid sixties, judging by the
manicured garden in the middle of the photo. A similar view of this
location can be seen on page 15 in the book by HF Cavanaugh
titled "New York Central System Gone But Not Forgotten".


Robert Bogie
Melbourne, Australia

--- Original Message -----
From: Lancaster James
To: STMFC@... ; milktrains@...
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Need Help with Photo Location

I have obtained a photo of a Chateau Martin wine car in a train
reefers. The photo is at
Does anyone recognize the location? The tracks in the foreground
with the third rail probably indicate someplace in or near New

Jim Lancaster

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