Re: buses

Charles Hladik

Maybe the Jordan 1940's City Transit Bus (#244) would be a better option.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:11:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Oh, sure.?Detail a freight car down to the Nth degree, and run it on a
layout on which a Greyhound bus is being used as a stand-in for a school bus. That
would be like using a model eighteen-wheeler as a stand-in for a pickup

There are basically three kinds of bus: The school bus, the transit bus, and
the over-the-road bus or motor coach. Each is designed for a particular
duty, and seldom (I won't say never, because it has happened) is one?kind used in
place of the other.

School buses have been used as transit buses, usually by charter operators
who won the low bid to operate a municipal transit system and didn't have
enough transit buses, or by the municipality itself when they were starting the
system and didn't have transit buses yet. Substituting schoolbuses for transit
buses does not usually last long because of customer dissatisfaction. And of
course school buses have been run long distances, usually carrying teams or
bands, as though they were otr.

Transit buses have been used as school buses, and the practice is probably
more common then most people realize. Again, private operators are more likely
to do this, though most charter bus companies do not?have transit buses
unless, as noted above, they contract to run transit franchises.

Over-the-road buses are bigger and heavier then other buses because they are
intended to carry people in comfort over long distances. Because of their
size, they are not designed or geared for the frequent stop-and-start
requirements of school or transit buses, hence are relatively inefficient when used in
that service. It has been done occasionally, but again, is not cost
effective. The exception might be for express transit runs that do not make many

The problem that provoked the comment, of course, is that relatively few bus
models are available, even in HO. Model railroaders, especially the traction
variety, have little empathy for buses, hence the market is small. OTOH, a
lot of bus fans (Yes, Virginia, there are such people) are also rail fans.
Some years ago I was on a fantrip with members of the Motor Bus Society, and
sighting a train generated almost as much excitement as sighting a bus.

As late as 1952 I was going to school on a bus that was not that much
different then the Jordan model except that it was longer...we called it "the
rattletrap". Great was our surprise when one day it was replaced by a new Ford
bus...but we still called it "the rattletrap".

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Donald B. Valentine <_riverman_vt@riverman__
( >
To: _STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ (
Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 7:29 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: construction pipes

Isn't the vitrified clay pipe what was called, at least during
the steam and transition era, "Orangeburg" pipe here in the east?
I believe that name came from the fact that most of is seemed to be
manufactured in the area surrounding Orangeburg, South Carolina. As
I recall from sales and use of it in the 1950 - 1965 period the
length of a section was some ratio of its outside diameter.

While noted New Haven, and computerless, modeler Bill Aldrich and
I were picking up some items yesterday both the black "steel" and the
gray "concrete" offerings from Life-Like were viewed. The former
struck me as a total waste of time and money, especially at the price,
though the "concrete" pipe looked usable. Some straws might look fine
for steel pipe but painted aluminum is much better from the
perspectives of scale, overall cost and durability IMHO. Lastly, I
believe the length of the sectional concrete pipe was also determined
by some ratio of its outside diameter but wonder if some list member
might have something more definite on this.

On a different subject, Bill was looking yesterday for a 1948 era
school bus for his pike but we couldn't find anything that fit. Most
are too modern and the Jordan, I think, bus is too old. We did note
the new 1951-1953 Greyhound buses from Mini-Metals and one of those
might be used in place of a school bus if nothing more accurate than
what we saw can be found.

Don Valentine

--- In _STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ ( , "paulbizier"
<> wrote:

I'm surprised that some of the other engineers on the list haven't
chimed in, but, at the risk of moderation jail...

vitrified clay (sewer pipes) - most common during steam era -
typically only 4' long. Much of this was regional transport - each
area had its own VCP manufacturing companies

ductile or cast iron - look the same - 20 foot joints - rail
typical then (and now)- various joints - bell and socket and
most common

transite (an asbestos-cement product) - typically 4-8 feet long -
usual for water main during 50's - smaller diameters, usually (say
less than 12")

PVC - not common in our era, but 10' to 20' sections depending upon

Hope this helps.

Paul Bizier

--- In _STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ ( , "ed_mines"
<ed_mines@> wrote:

Aren't lot of these construction pipes (like the vitreous clay
a lot shorter than 40 feet?

Wouldn't at least some of them be loaded in gondolas?

I'm guessing that they are too heavy for a man to lift (steal) by
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