Tony: Thanks for the info. I know the car number I mentioned was the one on
the p2k car because I was surprised it was in V4. I really do not know if it
was first run or a later one. I think it was a later run since the dealer
that had it ususally sells only new run stuff. I saw it at a train show in
September, and was going to pick it up but my friend said he had one he
could sell me. Turns out he had a DD car which was totally different. I
thought the "DF" was orange since I had your book and remembered it was
supposed to be orange. However, I can not find the car on Walthers website.

A pet peeve I wish manufacturers would leave item numbers and thumbnail
views of sold out/OOP cars on their websites for those of us thrying to
track down old cars.
Brian Carlson

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:16:13 -0800, Anthony Thompson wrote