Re: Trust Documents
Did you ever see a TITLE document for a freight car? These did not
exist in STMFC times, and not even in 1982. Sure, there are plenty
of lengthy written agreements regarding who owns a car, with copies
kept by the lender and the owner, but no TITLE DOCUMENT. I know this
sounds like just semantics, but consider titles to real property.
The existence of a lien on real estate is determined by what is
described in the title document (aka deed) at the courthouse. In
1982, the ICC said they did not have any of the actual documents
evidencing title to freight equipment, nor were they acting as
clearinghouse for anything but equipment leases.
--- In STMFC@..., "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:
financings in the Southern Pacific Law Department for 20 years and 10
years for RailAmerica was that the ICC had files on title and liens
for locomotives and rolling stock and that I had to have our ICC
counsel search title for all equipment that was sold as part of
rebuilding projects for both locomotives and rolling stock. The
recordation system was designed to preserve the rights of lenders in
the equipment in all the too frequent railroad bankruptcies, esp in
the 1930s and later and avoid any lender paying for equipment under a
loan or lease with another lender.
I worked on Trust Agreements and in those documents, the multiplelenders agreed upon a bank as the "trustee" to administer the terms
of the financing for the equipment. SP, of course, paid all of the
If a unit was destroyed, the financing agreement contained a chartwith the valuations and they always started at 104% or more since
legal and tax costs were included that were amortized over time.
Most of the time , it was much easier for all concerned if a unit was
substituted for the destroyed unit that was free and clear of any
My experience certainly was different then what you describe.in
STMFC times - not sure about today, now that the ICC is gone).There
was NO recording of title documents of this type at the ICC when itin
1982 - ICC had no title documents then, and said that they neverhad
done that, as far as anyone at the agency remembered.mortgage
between lender and purchaser with the collateral secured by themay
have actually been a trust agreement - they were unable to locatesuch
an agreement at the ICC in 1982.to
see if there are any liens on the equipment. This usually arises incars.