Re: [Rail_Freight_Group] CB&Q to IHB 03-28-59


I would think that all of this stuff coming form other sources would be as processed metals and not as raw ore. Even the Iron Ore from the Great Lakes area comes in as pellets. Doesn't make much sense to ship Iron Ore from Colorado when Colorado Fuel and Iron was having to bring in Iron Ore from Wyoming and Utah to meet demands. Did the Chicago area mills have the ability to process raw ore?

Would like to hear more on this subject.

George A Walls

Just to give you a reminder as to how far this stuff was coming from afield,
you had calcium carbide from many locations in the US; Chromium from abroad,
with small amounts from MT, CA, OR and AL; Cobalt from the Congo, MO, ID, and
PA; Dolomite and Limestone from all over the place; Ferro-Manganese from
various sources ( still digging on this one); Fluorspar from Southern
Illinois; Manganese from India, S. Africa, Gold Coast, Cuba, the Belgian
Congo, Brazil, then MN, AK, SD, AZ, NV and MN; Molybdenum from Colorado,
Nickle from Canada; Scrap from all over the US; Soda Ash from different
places in the US; Tungsten from Korea, Bolivia, Spain, Portugal, Canada,
Mexico, Brazil, and small amounts from ID and NV; and of course, iron ore
from the Lakes Region (<80% in 1953 and <60% by 1960), Canada, Cuba,
Venezuela, Sweden, Brazil, Liberia and Sierra Leone (very little from any
other areas of the US). There are others...

Many of these did not constitute "full" loads when seen in a hopper, and
further, some were shipped in covered hoppers and container gons, to
facilitate weather resistance and/or handling. It is a great area of

I eagerly await more definitive info on who, exactly, what shipping what,
where and when, and this info just whets my appetite.

Thanks, Russ!

Elden Gatwood


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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: [Rail_Freight_Group] CB&Q to IHB 03-28-59


I suspect this is one of very few cases of physical evidence for all of those
shipments of additives used in steel-making that never shows up the
simplified breakdowns (read Model Railroader) of industry requirements.
Given the presence of large numbers of D&RGW cars, I would bet this is
shipment of molybdenum, from the Climax area in Colorado. Moly is a key
ingredient in high grade steel, and the best domestic source past that time
period was Colorado.

There were other additives that came out of that area, but I can't think of
any that you would have found in this volume.

At that time period, the large sources for iron bound for the Chicago area
would have been Lake ore (Mn) and foreign ores coming via the Great Lakes in
boats. My 1960 Steel "guide" lists both, for many of the facilities in that

Elden Gatwood

Russ Strodtz just posted a bunch of 1959 CB&Q Chicago consists

to the Rail_Freight_ Group -- and one included this:

8 DRGW 72563 Ore LG CK-IHB
9 NKP 67204 Ore LG CK-IHB
10 DRGW 72284 Ore LG CK-IHB
11 DRGW 72860 Ore LG CK-IHB
12 DRGW 71253 Ore LG CK-IHB
13 DRGW 71413 Ore LG CK-IHB
14 DRGW 71416 Ore LG CK-IHB
15 DRGW 73225 Ore LG CK-IHB
16 DRGW 71004 Ore LG CK-IHB
What sort of "ore" would travel all the way from the 'Rio Grande'

to Chicago?

Tim O'Connor

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