Re: DL&W Wartime composite USRA hoppers


Richard is correct here about the general arrangment drawings and reality. Too, the GA-drawings were generally only good for as-built cars about the time that drawing was published.

In the case of these rebuilds, photos show that many types of cars got the wooden sides and additional braces, and at the same time trucks were replaced or swapped as needed, sometimes only on one end.? Some photos of these show them with one t-section sideframe and the other an Andrews, Gould or ASF.

Other details and improvements were?also made;?power brakes were most often Ajax, but sometimes the as-built equipment stayed in place.

It's always best to work from a photo. In photos from the 1950s, these composite hoppers most often?show up in steam coal service, around the?engine terminal at Hoboken since photography there was easier than at other terminals. ?After WWII, some cars were rebuilt with steel, with additional horizontal and vertical stiffening -- no diagonals -- making for some very odd-looking two-pocket coal hoppers.

???????????????????? ....Mike Del Vecchio

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
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Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: DL&W Wartime composite USRA hoppers

On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Gene Deimling wrote:

The Lackawanna diagram book dated 1953 shows that they were
converting to AB brakes and Ajax brake wheels at the date of
publication. The trucks were listed as a USS pattern which appears
to be similar to the AAR double truss design. I have seen it
described in other sources as a Gould sideframe. Maybe someone
else on the list can clear up this description.
Gene, RR diagram books were often more confusing than helpful
regarding trucks. The RRs typically ordered side frames, bolsters,
and other truck parts separately, and the diagram for a particular
car might show the side frames as "Gould #456" or perhaps just "Gould
cast steel." In such cases, you really have to look at photos to
determine what type of side frame it was.

Richard Hendrickson

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