Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (GN, WP Interchange At Bieber)

Allen Rueter

That would be OT/SP&S trains on the twisty part from Wishram to Bend with 1.5% grade
they did use a lot of GN power , GN Bend to Bieber, IIRC there max grade was about 1.5 too.
Time will tell as I go thru more pages, and see how train numbers match up.

Allen Rueter
StLouis MO

From: Richard Hendrickson <>
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 10:55:31 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (GN, WP Interchange At Bieber)

On Nov 17, 2009, at 12:25 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Al Daumann wrote:
Did the bulk of the GN train become the WP and vice versa? If so,
why are there twice as many WP trains as GN . . .
One possibility is that the GN trains were twice as long (or
twice as heavy), the WP line south of Bieber being more challenging
than the GN line north of it.
That may well have been true to some extent, but twice as long? I
doubt it. GN trains had to come up the steep and twisty Deschutes
Gorge from the Columbia River before they got to Bend and another
challenging mountain grade between Bend and Chemult. Granted, the GN
ran substantial 2-8-8-0s and 2-10-2s on the Oregon line, but the
standard WP power on the Keddie to Bieber "High line" was equally
substantial 2-6-6-2s and 2-8-8-2s, and through freight trains (i.e.,
almost all of the traffic) were operated with mid-train and rear end
helpers. Much more likely, WP ran only two second class scheduled
freight trains a day and the rest of the freight traffic as non-
scheduled extras.

Richard Hendrickson

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