Re: ACF post-war box cars

Richard Townsend

No, I don't have any evidence to the contrary. The only evidence I have is that the series should not have been included among those described in the article. That is true of almost all the cars shown in the article. Apparently we've gotten a little smarter and better informed in the last 20 years.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...>
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Sent: Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:34 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] ACF post-war box cars

Could you please clarify what you are discussing RE the PRR 600000 series? I
was not aware these had anything other than the standard SREM diagonal panel
roof and R/3/4 rolling pin ends. Do you have other evidence? I would love
to see that!

Elden Gatwood

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Donald Ford
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] ACF post-war box cars

I got out that article and went into my files and the only car that seems to
be close to the ACF car is the Nickel Plate car as it has the same side lill
with no tabs and the same ends. Looking at the end of the roof it seams to
have diffenent seam where the end and the roof meet. thsi could be the
"split panel" roof. All the other cars are not close. The one series called
out of the PRR cars is a riveted car ( 600000-601999).
None of the pictures show enough of the roof to make a judgement. I may be
wrong in my guess about the roof on the NKP car as where the end and roof
meet on the drawing with the "split panel" roof showes a riveted seam. Of
all the pictures where you can see the ends only the NKP and DT&I cars have
the same ends like the ACF car.
Anyway confussing!
Don Ford
Kanab UT

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Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 1:36:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ACF post-war box cars

There was a Todd Sullivan article in the Sept. 90 MM on ACF 1948 design box
cars. It talks about ACF using a "split panel" roof (as opposed to a
rectangular or diagonal panel -- similar to the "Despatch" roof) and
"dartnaught" ends on certain cars. The article specifically calls out DT&I
14000-14299 and 14300-14549, MKT 97001-97300 and 97301-97800, and Reading
107500-107999 and 10800 (sic) -108499. It includes plans for MKT 92548 (which
is not among those called as being of this particular design). The photos in
this article are confusing to say the least. The title illustration has
nothing to do with the subject of the article, being ACFX 30000 a 1938 welded
demonstrator car (I think). I can accept that since I have no intention of
modeling that car. But also included in the photos are the following:

ACL 24000-24999
ATSF 33500-33999
C&EI 66300-64299 (did they count backwards?) Erie 90500-91199 CMO 38300-39098
ITC 5700-5709 DL&W 54000-54999 RI 23000-23999 and 24000-24999 NKP 20200-20499
PRR 600000-601999 and 602000-603499 Reading ? (showing 109300) SERX 976-1027
NJI&I 100-199 MKT 91500-92000 (again outside the series called out in the

Based on the photos in the article, the DL&W, NKP, SERX, and NJI&I are not
among the cars with the dartnaught ends and split panel roof. Looking at Ed
Hawkins's article in the 11/90 RMJ, it appears that the Erie cars are out,
too, as are the PRR 602000-603499. Another Ed Hawkins article, from the 10/90
RMJ, seems to rule out others (ATSF, C&EI, ITC, and RI 24000 series) since he
says they had rectangular panel or diagonal panel roofs.

So here is my question. What 40' box cars did have the combination of split
panel roofs and dartnaught ends? I would be pleased to learn that the RI
23000 series cars are among these.

I am contemplating building an example of these cars using Branchline
dartnaught ends and a cut-down Despatch roof from a Branchline 50' box car

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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