Re: Milling in Transit
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Jeff;
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I am glad we got a more expert opinion. I am now hoping that someone can direct us to some photos of the loading and unloading operations, so I can finally do the bakery on my layout! They had a small retail storefront, a large baking operation behind (2 stories), and a small siding out back. They did not ship out by rail, but supplied product all over the area, under a different name on the bag. I'd love to know if they got other raw materials by rail. I am also hoping that anyone that is interested could also supply some more details about how they also did the unloading part at larger breweries, pre-big-covered hopper days. I only saw it after they had changed over, and it was clearly a between-the-tracks chute, over which they parked the hopper. How the heck did they do it prior to that? Shovel the barley out the door inside a building? It looks like it, as there were tracks into the buildings, but it would be cool to know. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:41 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Milling in Transit Elden, Thanks for expanding my knowledge about this. I really enjoy learning more about grain and flour operations. Regards, -Jeff From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 4:51 AM To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [STMFC] Milling in Transit Jeff; I don't know if it was common, but I have seen an awful lot of cars with powdered flour all over them, like a powdered doughnut almost. I once asked a guy that worked in a bakery (a BIG one), and he says he worked a summer in which he shoveled out box cars of flour into a conveyor. I trust the story was true. I also knew a guy that worked for National Biscuit company (Nabisco in Pgh), and he said that in the days before the big covered hoppers came on the scene, they got flour that way. Can you imagine how contaminated that flour was? Yuck. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:58 PM To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [STMFC] Milling in Transit Elden, Was this common? I thought flour was shipped in barrels or sacks, and not loose, in bulk, in boxcars. Regards, -Jeff From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:38 PM To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [STMFC] Milling in Transit For the modelers, there are number of great Paul Winters photos of box cars with doors open, on RIP or clean-out tracks, with the intact or remains of grain doors, waiting for them to be restored to general service condition, coated with flour, including over the door where the spout was located. It appears that the grain doors were just as good for holding in the flour, as they were for grain, and were only removed after the car finished the trip to the flour end user/Wholesaler/bakery and was routed back into a yard for clean out. It makes an extremely interesting modeling aspect. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:28 PM To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [STMFC] Milling in Transit Dennis, Could you please expand upon this topic? For example, who is it that has his wheat milled in transit: the farmer, or some intermediate elevator? Is the "milling in transit" done between the grain elevator and flour consumer (e.g. bakery)? You imply that the exact same boxcar gets used for the flour as was used for the grain. Is this always the case, or was that a simplification? Thanks much, -Jeff From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of soolinehistory Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:36 AM To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [STMFC] Re: was LCL - Stop Off traffic --- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: No, it was a single tariff designed to keep the flour traffic on the line that had originated the grain move. It goes back a long way; here's a link to a nespaper article from 1890: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EED8153BE533A25752C1A9629C <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EED8153BE533A25752C1A9629 C> <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EED8153BE533A25752C1A9629 <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EED8153BE533A25752C1A9629 C> 94619ED7CF <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EED8153BE533A25752C1A9629 <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EED8153BE533A25752C1A9629 <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EED8153BE533A25752C1A9629 <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EED8153BE533A25752C1A9629 C94619ED7CF> Keep in mind that grain is fungible, like money is. When you go to the bank to make a withdrawal, you don't get the same money you deposited back; you get different but equal money. Grain is the same, you don't get your grain back out of the elevator, you get different but equal grain. Same with milling in transit. You don't get the flour that was milled from the grain you hauled in; you get equal flour milled from different grain. So, the car just emptied of grain can be immediately refilled with flour and sent on its way. Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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