Re: Atlas 1932 boxcar...

Aley, Jeff A


No need to worry about going to jail for your comments. It is perfectly acceptable to criticize a manufacturer's PRODUCTS. Indeed, we encourage comments on accuracy, fine-ness of detail, etc.

What is NOT acceptable is to criticize a manufacturer's BUSINESS PRACTICES. This, fortunately, you have not done.


-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:01 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 1932 boxcar...

Hi Elden,

Well, I didn't intend to open anything up, but I have been dissatisfied with quite a number of Sunshine offerings over the years. I'm thankful Martin does what he does and does it well, but I have had occasional trouble over the years with detail rendition and fit. I have never had these problems with Westerfield, Speedwitch or F&C.

I hear Mike jingling te jail key in his pocket so I'd better wrap it up and change hte subject.

Speaking of Westerfield, I don't know how I'm going to afford all the cars I want before 01 April 11. I'll bet he stays open a little longer to fulfill all the last-minute mine.

I'm also really interested to see the NYC cars coming from Broadway/PCM this fall. If they're close I'll pick up quite a few.


John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@...<>, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


I am glad you opened this one up. I have noticed some disparities between
some of my Sunshine kits that I can't figure out, and had done a comparison
of my Sunshine and Branchline-based X29Bs, and noted that some of the
detailing on the former was oversized (riveting esp) and a bit sloppy.
Similar to the comparison of Sunshine and RC X29's. Don't get me wrong, I
love the cars, but up really close, they look very different. I also have a
Sunshine and F&C X26C not built, and they also look very different.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@...<> [mailto:STMFC@...<>] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:45 AM
To: STMFC@...<>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 1932 boxcar...

Hi Tim,

I considered doing just that--copy-casting the Sunshine doors and using them
on the Atlas model. However, I found that fixing a Sunshine door on the Atlas
car would be taking a step backwards because the Sunshine details looked
sloppy compared to the Atlas model. I was amazed.

I don't recall there being a dimensional issue with the doors.

It's heresy to complain about a Sunshine model among the faithful, but quite
frankly the details on the Atlas model are very clear and sharp, even if not
totally accurate, and they make some the details on the Sunshine car look
"blobby". I found the same problem recently when finishing an ACL 1937 box
car. Mont sent me some doors copied from a Sunshine kit to finish an ACL
O-25, but they looked terrible against the Red Caboose carbody. I simply cut
off the Union Duplex rollers and fixed them to the RC doors to get the door I
wanted. I think Mont ended up doing the same thing.

Incidentally I have not noted this detail disparity with Westerfield or
Speedwitch products.


John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@...<> <> , Tim O'Connor
<timboconnor@> wrote:

John, I haven't seen the Atlas cars, but if the Sunshine doors are
accurate, why not just make copy castings of them for use on the Atlas
model? Or is there a technical reason this doesn't work (like a
dimensional issue)?

Tim O'Connor

Thanks for the message. I like your approach to the coupler box problem. I
would probably build up more of the Atlas cars if it weren't for that and the
doors, and--of course--finding the time to do the job.

I painted my car with Scalecoat BC Red (#1) and masked off the black
later. I'm not the world's most patient masker, so I just get it close and
touch up any overspray later. I normally use regular masking tape, but I just
me some of that Tamiya masking tape and I'm eager to try it out.


John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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