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Re: 3D pantograph mold making

Doug MacLeod
 

Don, I had my 3D Frederick Deckel pantograph since 2004 and hardly used it as the 2D Gordons pantographs do about everything I want.  Gordon 2D pantographs have a taper attachment which is a nice feature when needed.

A CNC mill is almost a requirement on time consuming projects.  The plastic injection molds I make are in brass or aluminum.  Steel molds take ten times or more to make than brass or aluminum.  CNC machining would be the only way to go.  CNC machining is a whole different concept.  A CAD drawing is required  and drawing with CAD is time consuming.  I still like the basic machining methods best. 

Doug

 

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New freight car book for sale

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello everyone,


Just arrived today the new freight car book for the Duluth, Missabe and Iron Range Railroad.


I thought the ore cars would overwhelm the presentation in the book, but that is not the case.  the railroad had many other car types, especially gondolas in steel service.  The 319 page book covers both freight and passenger cars on the Missabe from 1883 to 2004 with a good balance of all eras.


It appears to be a well done book by a knowledgeable author.


Contact me off list to get your copy.


Also got resupplied on the ART and MDC reefer books.


Rails Unlimted
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

Re: Looking to contact Ed Kaminski . . . now PM Wooden Cabooses

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I don’t know if this is relevant to your quest, but we have PM Caboose A621at Huckleberry Railroad in Flint, MI. It is on static display, and is appropriate for HRR since most of its right of wayuses the old PM branch from Flint to Fostoria.

Dan Mitchell
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On Dec 13, 2019, at 3:34 PM, al.kresse <water.kresse@...> wrote:

Larry,

It is targeted for PM TRACKS magazine published by the now slowly getting reorganized and running again PM Historical Soc.

Got one pix of A545 in Delray yard already.  Got pix of the "new" A800, A804, A811, A822 and A823 from that series.  Your 1972 date is consistent with the last wooden cabeeses usage. Some made until 1974.

I presume your two cabooses were painted yellow?

Al
On December 13, 2019 at 1:23 PM "lrkdbn via Groups.Io" <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

I'm afraid I cannot help you about Ed Kaminski, but I sure would like to know what periodical your article will be in-as I have a great interest in these cars. When I was growing up on the west side of Detroit, the "neighborhood railroad" was the PRR- C&O- Wabash owned Union Belt,They used C&O A-810 and A-812 in their operations up until about 1972.
Sincerely,
Larry King

 

Re: Looking for resin reefer parts

Walter Cox
 

If Craig is a reseller does anyone have contact information for Craig ? I could use a few things.
Walt

In a message dated 12/13/2019 1:39:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, TGREGMRTN@... writes:

Tim,

He does.  There are more important parts there than just the reefer parts, but I have a note to him.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean



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In a message dated 12/12/2019 11:46:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, timboconnor@... writes:


I think Craig Zeni got some - ask him!


On 12/12/2019 2:35 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:

Did anyone acquire Stan's patterns and masters? He had some really unique stuff.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 2:05 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Speaking of molded ends, I'm looking for unbuilt reefer kits or molded resin ends, roofs and doors made by Stan Rydarowicz.  If you have any you're willing to part with, please contact me off-list (click on the Private button bottom right, then on the Reply to Sender button that's turned blue on bottom right ) at mopacfirst@....

Ron Merrick

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Express Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Allen Cain wrote:

Looking at Railway Express Reefers that include road names, in particular, Seaboard Air Line, and wondering if they traveled off line like in Southern and ACL passenger trains as well as on the SAL.

    Yes, most express cars were operated by the REA as a pool, so cars certainly went off-line, though their owners were supposed to maintain and repair them. That of course would mean they came home occasionally.

Tony Thompson



Re: 3D pantograph mold making

proto48er
 

Bill - You can put all this good pantograph information to use making freight cars!  Just purchase my Deckel GK-21 pantograph engraver!  I have the actual machine that was alleged to have created the Bowser plastic injection molding dies for the PRR H21a hopper cars!  It is here in south Texas waiting for a purchaser  PM if interested!   A.T. Kott

Re: Armour & Company Reefer 8644

David Soderblom
 

A lovely scene.  The car is on blocks, yet retains all its fittings (brake hose, coupler, …).  And then there’s the siding.  I would love to see someone reproduce that sketchy track, with its odd angles and eroded dirt “ballast.”



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA





offered: HO Great Northern 1958 cu ft covered hopper by Intermountain RTR

Andy Carlson
 


Hello-
I have a new, in never been removed from mint packaging condition, Intermountain Great Northern HO 1958 cu ft covered hopper, GN #71025; IM # 48603-02. This car has the version of triangular openings on the car side and is painted in the as-delivered 11-51 mineral red scheme.

Offered for $24, plus buyer to pay $6 shipping by USPS 1st class mail. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal.


Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
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Express Reefers

Allen Cain
 

Looking at Railway Express Reefers that include road names, in particular, Seaboard Air Line, and wondering if they traveled off line like in Southern and ACL passenger trains as well as on the SAL.

Allen Cain

Re: Looking to contact Ed Kaminski . . . now PM Wooden Cabooses

al.kresse
 

Larry,

It is targeted for PM TRACKS magazine published by the now slowly getting reorganized and running again PM Historical Soc.

Got one pix of A545 in Delray yard already.  Got pix of the "new" A800, A804, A811, A822 and A823 from that series.  Your 1972 date is consistent with the last wooden cabeeses usage. Some made until 1974.

I presume your two cabooses were painted yellow?

Al

On December 13, 2019 at 1:23 PM "lrkdbn via Groups.Io" <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

I'm afraid I cannot help you about Ed Kaminski, but I sure would like to know what periodical your article will be in-as I have a great interest in these cars. When I was growing up on the west side of Detroit, the "neighborhood railroad" was the PRR- C&O- Wabash owned Union Belt,They used C&O A-810 and A-812 in their operations up until about 1972.
Sincerely,
Larry King

 

Coil Car teaser

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gang;

Here are some "teasers" from my research (please do not post, re-post or publish. If it happens, you won't get any more):

So the attached are the earliest photos I can find (from the PRRT&HS archives), of a dedicated "coil car".

The first is what instigated the second: damage from coil transport in a "standard" box car. The coils were poorly blocked (if at all), resulting in coil rolling. They also tipped into the ends, causing additional damage. Damage included crushing of flooring, wood lining, side posts, end posts, and eventually exterior sheathing.

The "solution" in the second shot is a dedicated PRR X31 coil-hauling coil car, with replaced and more robust oak flooring, 3/16" steel liners with new wood supporting same, in dedicated turn-around service.

1937. I'm curious if they appear in any ORER. I have not found them.

Anyone have evidence of the same thing on other railroads? I would love to know about other RRs' answers to this new kind of cargo.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Re: Looking to contact Ed Kaminski

mel perry
 

try contacting kaminski thru his publisher signature press in berkeley
mel perry

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 10:23 AM lrkdbn via Groups.Io <lrkdbn=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'm afraid I cannot help you about Ed Kaminski, but I sure would like to know what periodical your article will be in-as I have a great interest in these cars. When I was growing up on the west side of Detroit, the "neighborhood railroad" was the PRR- C&O- Wabash owned Union Belt,They used C&O A-810 and A-812 in their operations up until about 1972.
Sincerely,
Larry King

Re: Looking for resin reefer parts

Greg Martin
 

Tim,

He does.  There are more important parts there than just the reefer parts, but I have a note to him.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean



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In a message dated 12/12/2019 11:46:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, timboconnor@... writes:


I think Craig Zeni got some - ask him!


On 12/12/2019 2:35 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:

Did anyone acquire Stan's patterns and masters? He had some really unique stuff.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 2:05 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Speaking of molded ends, I'm looking for unbuilt reefer kits or molded resin ends, roofs and doors made by Stan Rydarowicz.  If you have any you're willing to part with, please contact me off-list (click on the Private button bottom right, then on the Reply to Sender button that's turned blue on bottom right ) at mopacfirst@....

Ron Merrick

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Looking to contact Ed Kaminski

lrkdbn
 

I'm afraid I cannot help you about Ed Kaminski, but I sure would like to know what periodical your article will be in-as I have a great interest in these cars. When I was growing up on the west side of Detroit, the "neighborhood railroad" was the PRR- C&O- Wabash owned Union Belt,They used C&O A-810 and A-812 in their operations up until about 1972.
Sincerely,
Larry King

Armour & Company Reefer 8644

Bob Chaparro
 

Armour & Company Reefer 8644

Circa 1926 photos of an Armour reefer:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-12-19/X4863.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-12-19/X4864.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-12-19/X4865.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-12-19/X4866.jpg

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

There are no trucks under the car so it was being used for storage. The roof appears to have debris on it, also.

Note the warning poster. I've seen other copies of this same poster in various old photos.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: 3D pantograph mold making

Donald B. Valentine
 

I was always told that 10 times the desired finish size was a good figure for a 3D pantograph master. Perhaps the
larger question is where do you find anyone with a 3D pantograph? I know at least one shop that sold one for scrap,
a good Decelle, after listing it for sale and receiving no inquiries for six months of better.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [PRR] Help with early steel shipment and coiled steel shipment cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jim;

That is a fabulous photo, and EXACTLY what I was looking for. I wanted to contrast B&O and NKP use of Republic hoods with PRR use of home-built, larger hoods, and this is perfect.

Thank you SO much!

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James E Kubanick
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 7:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [Non-DoD Source] Re: [PRR] Help with early steel shipment and coiled steel shipment cars

Elden,

I'm not sure if this fits into what you're looking for, but I have attached a Howard Ameling photo of a B&O O-63d coil gondola, FYI. A group of O-59's were modified for coil service and re-classified into O-63d's.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Thursday, December 12, 2019, 11:41:00 AM EST, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Curt, and all;


I am most interested in cars between the earliest photos I can find, in the mid-thirties, to the dedicated cars of the mid-fifties thru sixties. I have not been able to re-join the MFCL list, since their migration, for some reason.


I am very interested in cars of Wabash, DT&I, NKP, B&O, C&NW, ATSF, RI, P&WV, NH, C&O, NYC, all of whom were on a parallel track with the PRR. There is a lot of great correspondence between the RRs in the PRRT&HS archives, which I'd like to share at some point.


Thanks!


Elden Gatwood


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From: PRR@PRR.groups.io <mailto:PRR@PRR.groups.io> [mailto:PRR@PRR.groups.io <mailto:PRR@PRR.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Curt Fortenberry

Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 11:23 AM

To: PRR@PRR.groups.io <mailto:PRR@PRR.groups.io>

Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [PRR] Help with early steel shipment and coiled steel shipment cars



Elden,


You didn't mention an era, but I would also ask the folks on the MFCL groups.io list. There was a recent discussion of cars used for coiled steel.


Curt Fortenberry

Southern 36 foot truss-rod box car #166561

Brian Rochon
 

From the Steamtown site today.  Build date looks like 3-1924.  Good detail on T-braced end.  Prototype for Westerfield kit 4102?

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-13-19/X4935.jpg

 

Brian Rochon

Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars

Paul Woods
 

I don't cringe at the sight of people using slotted screws; I get jealous!  I have very little success with slotted screws and I don't do much better with Phillips or Pozidrive screws either, largely thanks to nerve damage from a car wreck of twenty years ago making my fingers slightly numb..  Fortunately it is now very easy to source a vast variety of styles of [metric] screws with hex or torx drives.  I particularly like hex-drive, for being able to stick the screw onto the driver bit, making it a one-handed job to start the screw - a huge advantage for a fumblefingers like me.

Regards
Paul Woods

Whangarei, NZ.

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [PRR] Help with early steel shipment and coiled steel shipment cars

James E Kubanick
 

Elden,

I'm not sure if this fits into what you're looking for, but I have attached a Howard Ameling photo of a B&O O-63d coil gondola, FYI. A group of O-59's were modified for coil service and re-classified into O-63d's.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Thursday, December 12, 2019, 11:41:00 AM EST, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Curt, and all;

I am most interested in cars between the earliest photos I can find, in the mid-thirties, to the dedicated cars of the mid-fifties thru sixties.  I have not been able to re-join the MFCL list, since their migration, for some reason.

I am very interested in cars of Wabash, DT&I, NKP, B&O, C&NW, ATSF, RI, P&WV, NH, C&O, NYC, all of whom were on a parallel track with the PRR.  There is a lot of great correspondence between the RRs in the PRRT&HS archives, which I'd like to share at some point.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: PRR@PRR.groups.io [mailto:PRR@PRR.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curt Fortenberry
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 11:23 AM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [PRR] Help with early steel shipment and coiled steel shipment cars


Elden,

You didn't mention an era, but I would also ask the folks on the MFCL groups.io list.  There was a recent discussion of cars used for coiled steel.

Curt Fortenberry