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Re: Hey buddy, I got your Galvanized Pipe Load. . .

Tim O'Connor
 


what a gorgeous shot! I built two of the shorter ATSF flats from the Sunshine kits,
with those amazing underframes. this one is a 50 footer! nice.



On 10/22/2019 5:05 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Clark Propst shared this photo with me a few years ago: ATSF 90725 found in Manly, Iowa on 7-13-67.

Bill Welch

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 07:26 PM, mel perry wrote:
precision scale was purchased by the
prantiles of eltopia, wa, (spokane)they also have
a epay shop, j-tprantiles, good people
to deal with
mel perry
They've also done business for years as PF&S Railway Supply, as both a distributor and retail shop. I agree, good people.

Dennis Storzek
 

Re: SOO Line prewar 50 foot double door box car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Bob,
 
Frank purchased the General Arrangement drawing from IRM Pullman Library to create his masters.  Copies of that drawing are available for purchase by anyone, just as Frank did.  The drawings at IRM are still the property of Bombardier and they do not allow them to be posted on line.  Each purchaser must agree to a license created by Bombardier stipulating this.
 
I have seen the drawing.  The inside length is 50'0" and the length over the underframe end sills is 50'2-1/4".  The side lining boards are 25/32 thick by 3-1/4 inches wide.  The side linings are nailed to 3 by 3 posts.  The 3x3's are recessed into the dreadnaught ends.  I don't see a dimensions on the end lining, but it is certainly thin, like the side lining.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOO Line prewar 50 foot double door box car

Dennis,

Since these cars were constructed for paper or news print service would the shorter interior length of 50'-0" be the result of extra thick end linings?

I am curious what do the drawings show?

Bob Witt

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

mel perry
 

precision scale was purchased by the
prantiles of eltopia, wa, (spokane)they also have
a epay shop, j-tprantiles, good people
to deal with
mel perry

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 6:11 PM Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
They are also sold out. 

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 06:09:40 PM PDT, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Wasn't Precision Scale purchased by Blue Ridge Hobbies? If this correct I was told the were dropping this product from their offerings.
    

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 05:47:00 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:


Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: SOO Line prewar 50 foot double door box car

rwitt_2000
 

Dennis,

Since these cars were constructed for paper or news print service would the shorter interior length of 50'-0" be the result of extra thick end linings?

I am curious what do the drawings show?

Bob Witt

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Bryian Sones
 

Ah,  ok. Thanks Jack!  I'll call Precision Scale direct as you suggested tomorrow.  

I appreciate the response.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 06:36:31 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:


I think that they were purchased by a different hobby shop.

 

Jack  

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Wasn't Precision Scale purchased by Blue Ridge Hobbies? If this correct I was told the were dropping this product from their offerings.

    

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 05:47:00 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

 

 

Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Jack Burgess
 

I think that they were purchased by a different hobby shop.

 

Jack  

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Wasn't Precision Scale purchased by Blue Ridge Hobbies? If this correct I was told the were dropping this product from their offerings.

    

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 05:47:00 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

 

 

Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Bryian Sones
 

They are also sold out. 

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 06:09:40 PM PDT, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:


Wasn't Precision Scale purchased by Blue Ridge Hobbies? If this correct I was told the were dropping this product from their offerings.
    

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 05:47:00 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:


Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Bryian Sones
 

Wasn't Precision Scale purchased by Blue Ridge Hobbies? If this correct I was told the were dropping this product from their offerings.
    

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 05:47:00 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:


Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Jack Burgess
 

Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

mel perry
 

as a suggestion, try precisiion scale,
they are up and runniing
mel perry

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 5:24 PM Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello All,

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

Thanks,
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:


Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Bryian Sones
 

Hello All,

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

Thanks,
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:


Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: is "hogging" a correct word for adjusting truss rod equipped cars

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for the responses on this – I learned something!  From now on, tightening will be my word choice. 

 

Rob

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 4:48 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] is "hogging" a correct word for adjusting truss rod equipped cars

 

Dennis Storzek wrote, "The modern term in car building is camber" and that is the same term that has been used

for heavy haul trailers for years as well. One can see then on any Interstate in the US and Canada any day they choose.

On automobiles, however, the term hjas a different meaning.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Baltimore & Ohio early diesel lettering font

joseph nevin
 

The B&O's PostWar fonts were of inhouse design.  The  style was close to Railroad Roman, but the letters are elongated and terminated  with a bit more "florish" then the Roman lettering.  The B&O RRHS has a website (borhs.org) open to all, and in the archives section there are examples of the lettering.

Joe Nevin

Re: is "hogging" a correct word for adjusting truss rod equipped cars

Donald B. Valentine
 

Dennis Storzek wrote, "The modern term in car building is camber" and that is the same term that has been used
for heavy haul trailers for years as well. One can see then on any Interstate in the US and Canada any day they choose.
On automobiles, however, the term hjas a different meaning.

Cordially, Don Valentine

NYS&W Hoppers (was Re: [RealSTMFC] Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48)

David
 

My gut feeling about the 10 cars scattered in the 33610-77138 series is they're not the horizontal rib cars based on the 30 ft IL and 1807 cu ft capacity, which seems kind of small for the horizontal rib cars.?? My guess is that they're probably Bob Karig's early common standard twins, but as always, a photo or full ORER entry would help.
The January 1955 ORER gives 30' IL, 9'2" IW, and 11'2" height to eaves. These are uncommonly tall and skinny hoppers for the 1950s. After thinking about it for a bit and playing a hunch, the ten cars are most likely ex-N&W class H1 series 33000-37999, 71000-72499, 74000-77267, late- 1930s rebuilds of what started out as their first all-steel drop-bottom hoppers in the Teens. ORER data is identical to the NYS&W group and the numbers align. N&W retired these cars circa 1949-51.

David Thompson

Re: Hey buddy, I got your Galvanized Pipe Load. . .

Thomas Birkett
 

They need a load shifter: there was one at the New Rip at Argentine which had been there for a LONG time. It was like a wood guillotine that was lowered until it could contact the pipe or culvert or lumber that had shifted in switching. Call in a switch engine and shove the car a little and it was back in place. Get the carmen to resecure the load and send it on to the customer. The alternative was not nearly as quick

Tom Birkett, Bartlesville, OK

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hey buddy, I got your Galvanized Pipe Load. . .

 

Clark Propst shared this photo with me a few years ago: ATSF 90725 found in Manly, Iowa on 7-13-67.

Bill Welch

Hey buddy, I got your Galvanized Pipe Load. . .

Bill Welch
 

Clark Propst shared this photo with me a few years ago: ATSF 90725 found in Manly, Iowa on 7-13-67.

Bill Welch

Re: is "hogging" a correct word for adjusting truss rod equipped cars

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

The attached image, although of a baggage car truss rod underframe, shows a camber intentionally built into the unloaded frame.   The second image shows the car loaded up with railroad wheels, straightening it out.  I don’t know if cars were normally built with some camber in the frame but I suspect that they were but perhaps not as extreme for just the wood superstructure and anticipated normal loading for a baggage car.  The truss rods might have been tightened during normal car construction to keep things true and the process not noted anywhere because it was such common practice.

These photos are from the Aurora (Illinois) Shops Test Lab photo album at the Newberry Library Burlington Archives and date from 1903.

Charlie Vlk

 

NYS&W Hoppers (was Re: [RealSTMFC] Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48)

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Salotti asked:
"Not sure if this is going to the group, if so sorry, it's old news.  On August 26th John Sykes mentioned a roster for the NYS&W, I've downloaded it and have a question about the roster.  There are two groups of hoppers listed, John, is one group the Erie horizontal rib cars as produced by Funaro & Carmerlengo, and the other standard style hoppers? "

The 5039-series hoppers are side-dump cars are definitely not "standard style hoppers".  The attached Ambroid instruction sheet from the HO Seeker website has a photo of these cars, verifying that the USRA hopper model that you asked about in your previous post is a foobie.

My gut feeling about the 10 cars scattered in the 33610-77138 series is they're not the horizontal rib cars based on the 30 ft IL and 1807 cu ft capacity, which seems kind of small for the horizontal rib cars.  My guess is that they're probably Bob Karig's early common standard twins, but as always, a photo or full ORER entry would help.


Ben Hom