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Re: L&N Woodrack -- 4

O Fenton Wells
 

Love it, steel fishbelly sides and wood slat ends.  Only a homemade railroad shop could love!  Excellent.
By The way I think you were smart to make the ends out of metal, I used plastic and they warped at that skinny thickness.
Fenton


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 1:00 AM Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:
Unusual with its fishbelly sidesills is L&N woodrack #20233, from the #20200-20299 series. In 1941 L&N rebuilt ventilator boxcars from several series, some of which had fishbelly sidesills. The carbody is scratchbuilt from styrene with a stripwood deck, and with bulkheads scratchbuilt from Code 70 rail and brass angles. The load is cast plaster.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
 



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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: Hacked ?

Paul Doggett
 

Jim 

Thank you.

Paul Doggett


On 5 Mar 2021, at 23:13, James Brewer <jim.brewer.3611@...> wrote:


I checked with Ray Stern; he said Microsoft advised it happened this morning from someone in Nigeria using the Chrome browser.

Jim Brewer

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 1:59 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Or SPOOFED. Once a spammer gets hold of someone's address book, they can make
emails appear to come from anywhere. Just like fake caller IDs on robot phone calls. Ain't
technology great? :-P

It could be fixed, but no one can make a fortune off you by fixing it... So, it will probably
never be fixed. As Bill Gates once famously said, the worst reason to fix something is simply
because it is broken.

So called "hacking" is actually quite rare i.e. breaking into your actual machine. But almost all
email services now FORCE users to store their emails in the "cloud" - and that includes their
address books. This is the "imap" protocol which has serious security problems. Comcast
forced me to switch last year.

Tim O'Connor

==========================

On 3/5/2021 11:20 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:
I don't think it's the site, I think Mr Stern has been hacked.

Schuyler

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Sent: Friday, March 05, 2021 10:46 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hacked ?

Has the site been hacked as I got an unusual email to undisclosed recipients that was not about freight cars. A guy asking to do something urgent for him and asking to reply! 

Paul Doggett 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Dairymens league livery. Please help.

Benjamin Hom
 

Philip Dove asked:
"I am building an F&C resin kit of a 40' Gare milk car in the livery of Dairymen's league. Unfortunately the instructions only talk of livery for another car in Pullman green. The picture on the box is black and white. Should the body and roof be white, very pale grey or what? it is also unclear what colour the ladders and ironwork are, Any help would be appreciated. the kit is F&C1049, according to the decals the car was built in 1927. the car illustrated is number 779.  Please specify the actual colour of the paint used, not the brand as the common brands in the UK are different in the UK except for Vallejo and Tamiya."

The Funaro webpage for this kit states "White with Dark Blue Roof & Ends".


"The trucks are not ones normally seen under a freight car, any suggestions?"

Milk cars were not normally handled in regular freight trains, but more akin to mail and express in dedicated trains run on faster schedules. These cars were typically equipped with high speed trucks.  My initial recommendation is Bethlehem Car Works #50004, which is a 6 ft 6 in  wheelbase truck.  A 6 ft wheelbase truck is probably too short. 


Ben Hom


Dairymens league livery. Please help.

Philip Dove
 

I am building an F&C resin kit of a 40' Gare milk car in the livery of Dairymans league. unfortunately the instructions only talk of livery for another car in Pullman green. The picture on the box is black and white.should the body and roof be white, very pale grey or what? it is also unclear what colour the ladders and ironwork are, Any help would be appreciated. the kit is F&C1049, according to the decals the car was built in 1927. the car illustrated is number 779.  Please specify the actual colour of the paint used, not the brand as the common brands in the Uk are different in the uk except for Vallejo and Tamiya. The trucks are not ones normally seen under a freight car, any suggestions?

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L&N Woodrack -- 4

Bob Chapman
 

Unusual with its fishbelly sidesills is L&N woodrack #20233, from the #20200-20299 series. In 1941 L&N rebuilt ventilator boxcars from several series, some of which had fishbelly sidesills. The carbody is scratchbuilt from styrene with a stripwood deck, and with bulkheads scratchbuilt from Code 70 rail and brass angles. The load is cast plaster.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
 


Fw: HO CN eight hatch reefer

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

For sale a HO CN 8 hatch reefer. It needs a floor and under frame. Contact me off list.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


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Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

Jim Betz
 

  I thought there was some 'action' in the Aleutian Islands ... ???


Shawmut gons

David
 

These are very similar to N&W class GI gondolas, built in 1905-7.

David Thompson


Re: nice 1910 colorized postcard view of C&EI 60286

lrkdbn
 

In the 1912 CBD, p.358-9 there are plans for a Frisco Refrigerator Line reefer. I presume this was also part of this consortium.
Larry King


Jim Hayes has passed away

Rich C
 

Dear Group,

   I want to pass this sad news on to everybody. Jim’s sister-in-law called today to tell me that Jim passed away in his sleep this morning.  He went out the way he wanted to: peacefully at home, surrounded  by friends and family.

 Jim had been absent from the Model Railroading scene for the last couple of months due to surgery. While recovering at home, he developed complications that weakened his immune system. Sadly he was not able to recover this time.

   Many of you know of his extensive modeling of the Northern Pacific and the railroads that interchanged with the NP. He was an avid collector and expert builder of his favorite road along with many pieces of foreign rolling stock that traveled on the NP. Jim was the long time proprietor of the Sunshine Models archive site that featured databases, spreadsheets and kit information on about everything Martin Lofton produced. He also supplied many of us with much needed PDS’s and additional information on his kits. He was always there for us. Jim was also a resonator and developed replacement parts for many kits, mostly NP prototypes.

   I had the pleasure of knowing Jim for over ten years. We did a lot of horse-trading with one another. After a period of time we exchanged phone numbers and chatted several times per week during the last few years.  He was a great help providing his expertise to answer any questions I had. I also helped him out with any questions he had.

  Jim and I finally met each other face to face at the Naperville (Chicagoland) RPM three years ago. Jim and his sister in law Eva made the trip by train. Although he said it wasn’t the best trip he ever made, giving the delays and lack of comfort creatures of Amtrak, I too would have done the same thing if had to in order to visit the RPM show.

  During the show I was Jim’s chauffer. He was wheelchair bound as he had trouble with his legs. I guided him around all the tables of the craftsman quality models that were on display. It was the best RPM I ever attended!  I am going to miss my buddy. I’m going to miss all those chit chat calls we made.

  Jim, you are going to take one more train ride to the greatest railroad place in heaven. I am going to try and finish all those partially built kits that you sent me; I just hope I can provide the finishing touch to what you envisioned.


God Speed Jim Until We Meet Again,

Your Dear Friend,

Rich Christie

 


Re: MM

Todd Sullivan
 

Cliff,

So, what's your point?  I'm not being snarky here, I just don't understand.

That arrangement is OK, as long as the Car Distributor and customer agree on using the car that had just been unloaded for a load out.  It might have reduced the customer's switching charges, which the customer also might have wanted.

Todd Sullivan


What is this style of roof called?

gary laakso
 

It features ribs that end maybe 2 feet from the side of the car with a flat piece reaching the side of the B&O M-15 boxcar with a door that  opens to the left.  It is seen in front of the partially shown tank car at the bottom of the photo, a little to the right of the center:

 

https://www.shorpy.com/node/25497?size=_original#caption 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: MM

cliffprather
 

In the list there was only one case where the same car brought in a load and later was loaded with an out bound load.


Re: MM

Dave Nelson
 

You need about a 1000 non home road boxcars to get the trend.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2021 9:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MM

 

Clark’s data does span 6 months of time.  Maybe long enough to spot a trend?

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 11:14 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MM

 

Hi,
  When looking at the make up of an individual train or cut of cars - we
shouldn't pay too much attention to the mix of cars from a particular road.
  Most of the time the yard clerk assigns cars based upon convenience
and the car forwarding rules.  Only if the cars are marked/designated for
dedicated service does that come in to play.
  As you said - the road mix for these box cars is an "anomaly" ... or
perhaps we should just say that the mix on this particular day wasn't
so much 'rare' as much as it is 'interesting'?
  Only when we have data for a collection of trains over an extended
period of time can we reach any conclusions about the mix (and even
then it can be skewed).
                                                                                   - Jim


Re: Hacked ?

James Brewer
 

I checked with Ray Stern; he said Microsoft advised it happened this morning from someone in Nigeria using the Chrome browser.

Jim Brewer

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 1:59 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Or SPOOFED. Once a spammer gets hold of someone's address book, they can make
emails appear to come from anywhere. Just like fake caller IDs on robot phone calls. Ain't
technology great? :-P

It could be fixed, but no one can make a fortune off you by fixing it... So, it will probably
never be fixed. As Bill Gates once famously said, the worst reason to fix something is simply
because it is broken.

So called "hacking" is actually quite rare i.e. breaking into your actual machine. But almost all
email services now FORCE users to store their emails in the "cloud" - and that includes their
address books. This is the "imap" protocol which has serious security problems. Comcast
forced me to switch last year.

Tim O'Connor

==========================

On 3/5/2021 11:20 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:
I don't think it's the site, I think Mr Stern has been hacked.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2021 10:46 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hacked ?

Has the site been hacked as I got an unusual email to undisclosed recipients that was not about freight cars. A guy asking to do something urgent for him and asking to reply! 

Paul Doggett 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: MM

Douglas Harding
 

The Hopkins plant was served by the M&StL and the MILW. Here is a map of the property at Hopkins.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 9:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MM

 

Some interesting anomalies fall out of the data.

 

I don’t believe that the Rock Island served the plant in Hopkins, but 26 of the 86 cars listed are Rock Island cars.  No other railroad has more than 6 examples (CNW/CMO; MILW; NYC; SP/T&NO: 6 each.)

 

Of the Rock Island cars 8 are single door and 18 are double door.

 

4 are 50’ while 22 are 40’ cars

 

2 cars (the 155xxx series) are double sheathed USRA wood sided cars.  The other 24 are single sheathed wood cars.  No all steel RI boxcars.

 

The Rock Island cars are evenly divided, 13 loads in, 13 loads out.

 

Which RR’s served the plant?

 

Not that it matters (I don’t think) but the other plant of the Minneapolis Moline company is in (wait for it) Moline, Illinois, adjacent to several John Deere plants and served by the Burlington, Rock Island and (probably) the DRI&NW.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 8:59 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MM

 

I've finished the list, except for future corrections of course. I'm adding some comments for clarification and the new list. Clark

  Yes, they had a foundry there. Implements would be all outbound. It is 1949,  big years for farm equipment. Tires and wheels would be inbound to use on tractors and machinery. Firebrick, clay and silicone for the foundry and mold making. other stuff all inbound, rivets, drill bits, wood, steel wool, steel, bolts, belts. Engines would have been outbound. They made their own engines there. Would be interesting to find out what % of outbound was in boxcars and flatcars. Pallets would have been for machinery that was strapped to it and sent out unassembled.(small stuff like plows.) Brian

I would suggest some of the Wheel loads might be from Electric Wheel in Quincy Ill.  Who made the wheels for mounting the tires for the machinery. Steve


Re: Seeking Logos For Bulk Oil Tanks

David Wiggs
 

Last week on the IO group OScaleYardsale a guy was selling these same decals in 1-48th.  They should work perfectly on your HO bulk tanks.

davo in Orlando


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 61973 (Undated)

Charlie Vlk
 

Good subject for documentation….however the Sears House components would not have come packed in cardboard boxes…and certainly not in a McGuiness B&M Blue box car…..just in case somebody wants to model the scene at a STMFC era team track!!

…but since it was on NPR (National Public Radio) nobody would see those mistakes…..maybe PBS (aka public television) can have Ken Burns do a more accurate version of this common but little-remembered part of history.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 1:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 61973 (Undated)

 

Tony

Exactly. I remember listening to Jean Shepherd's NPR story about the delivery of the Sears house
at the local team track. I see they later made it into a mini-movie. :-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzvMijR9Vc

Tim O'Connor




On 3/5/2021 2:08 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

 

On Mar 5, 2021, at 9:45 AM, Scott McDonald wrote:

Cool with these cars I guess I need to add an appliance store somewhere on the layout.

 

Why? Just have the appliances delivered on the team track or house track.

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: nice 1910 colorized postcard view of C&EI 60286

Steve and Barb Hile
 

There was a time in the early 20th Century when the owners of the RI (The Reid Moore Syndicate) and Frisco (BF Yoakum) envisioned a transcontinental railroad based on their roads.  Obviously never happened but the RI and Frisco pages appear adjacent to one another in many ORER’s of the time.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 1:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] nice 1910 colorized postcard view of C&EI 60286

 


Jointly operated a large freight station in St Louis that included the Rock Island.

Tim

On 3/5/2021 11:45 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

So, C&EI and Frisco were connected somehow?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2021 11:17 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] nice 1910 colorized postcard view of C&EI 60286

 

Hi List Members,

 

We get a nice 1910 colorized postcard view of C&EI 60286 (plus some other cars) at the link below...

 

 

Additional information can be found at the link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ONE MORE QUESTION ON BRAKES

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Pardie asked:
"While I am sounding off on brake components I have one more question.  I have an Intermountain model of a Santa Fe Ga-55 65 foot gondola."

Intermountain did a 65 ft gon?  That's news to me.  Sounds like this is really the Athearn model.


"It is a pretty good model as is but I notice one anomaly.  The brake reservoir is mounted parallel to the center sill as opposed to the standard Santa Fe practice of mounting it perpendicular to the sill.  I have a drawing from a 1950’s Model Railroader which also shows the Parallel mounting.  I would like to verify if this is the correct application."

Channeling Richard Hendrickson, if you can't see it behind the side sill when the model is on the tracks, does it really matter?  I used this area to stash weight on the E&B Valley/Eastern Car Works version of this prototype.


Ben Hom

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