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Re: The Freight Goes Through

 

Bill,

Thanks for the video link, starting at 17 37 a GN plywood car rolls by in the orange scheme.

Jumped out at me. Lots of other standout cars right in my time period.

As rob says, worth study.

Dan Smith


Re: Walthers 50' SS kitbash (was Search STMFC question)

Tim O'Connor
 


Looks good Steve! My daughter says to re-use and re-purpose, not just re-cycle! I figured those
Walthers cars fit the bill. :-)


On 11/25/2020 11:30 AM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

Many years ago I did shorten the Walthers 50 foot car to 40 feet as part of pair of Wabash 40 footers.  In the attached photo, the Walthers end doors went on to one of the old F&C kits on the left in the photo.  The Walthers car was shortened by removing a panel section on either side.  I am happy with the overall result, but there is a bit of funkiness to the roof rib spacing.  (I wasn’t into replacing roofs in those days.)

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

 


I friend - Leo Landry - figured out to make a number of cuts into the cars to shorten
them to 40 feet. His looked fine to me but I don't know if there was an exact prototype
to match. But it may be worth looking into.


On 11/24/2020 11:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hi-

 

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

 

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

 

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

 

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 


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Re: The Freight Goes Through

O Fenton Wells
 

Good video, thanks for sharing
Fenton

On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 9:16 AM william darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:

The recent discussions of painting and weathering reminded me of this video.  Lots of freight cars but it is unusual in the number of overhead shots.  Makes me think I don’t have enough galvanized roofs.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY3e0oTBGeU

 

Bill Darnaby

 



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Re: The Freight Goes Through

Robert kirkham
 

Great video!  That will be worth study.  I’m immediately struck by the number of dark brown cars.

Rob

On Nov 26, 2020, at 6:16 AM, william darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:

The recent discussions of painting and weathering reminded me of this video.  Lots of freight cars but it is unusual in the number of overhead shots.  Makes me think I don’t have enough galvanized roofs.
 
 
Bill Darnaby
 


The Freight Goes Through

william darnaby
 

The recent discussions of painting and weathering reminded me of this video.  Lots of freight cars but it is unusual in the number of overhead shots.  Makes me think I don’t have enough galvanized roofs.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY3e0oTBGeU

 

Bill Darnaby

 


F/S: HO scale ready-to-run freight cars

 

F/S: HO scale ready-to-run freight cars, late-steam/early diesel era, to receive list send an e-mail to me at: mguill1224 at aol dot com  Offered by Hugh T Guillaume.


Frisco Rosters

Richard Wilkens
 

Is anyone working on rosters of Frisco freight & MOW cars? The Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive in September received some material transferred from St. Paul and this includes ledgers from the Frisco with cars listed individually. 

Rich Wilkens


Re: IC 50' double door single sheathed box car

O Fenton Wells
 

That looks mighty good Al well done
Have a great Thanksgiving 
Fenton 


On Nov 25, 2020, at 4:47 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

Here's mine, FWIW. 
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Re: IC 50' double door single sheathed box car

al_brown03
 

Here's mine, FWIW. 


Re: IC 50' double door single sheathed box car

Dennis Storzek
 

Might be something useful here: https://www.irm.org/gallery/IC40285  This looks to be the same class of car with the door opening expanded, but I have no idea when.

Dennis Storzek


Re: File /Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.doc uploaded #file-notice

Richard Remiarz
 

Tim,

As Andy Carlson already stated, the issue is that the height is incorrect with the trucks that come with the cars.  It is a fundamental issue with the underframe casting.  Since this underframe is used under many different Intermountain boxcars, it affects a large number of cars.  What I found interesting is that, as Andy stated, this has been a known problem for some time, but many modelers seem to forget about it (as I have at times).  This started with me posting a description of how I built a 40' Postwar AAR boxcar, including lowering the car, without even thinking about the significance of the issue, it is just something I do on Intermountain boxcars.  Not only were there a number of posts asking for more information, but I received a number of private emails from list members asking about how I lowered the car.  I didn't expect my description was going to raise so many questions.

I agree that with some brands of trucks additional work is required to maintain the correct height.  However, I have found that many (most) brands of trucks I use are very close in bolster height, requiring no extra efforts.  On the other hand, I just spent an hour making adjustments on an Atlas 1932 AAR boxcar to get the car to the correct height after putting on new trucks, including filing the metal bolster.

Again, thanks to Jim Brewer for putting together the document from the various emails. 

Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:55 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] File /Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.doc uploaded #file-notice
 

I've been scratching my head kind of wondering what this discussion was all about... but looking
at your document it seems to me that part of the issue is the trucks themselves.Truck bolsters made
to fit one style of underframe may not have the correct height for another style of underframe.
I always have to fuss with height when I'm using Kadee trucks, for example, on a non-Kadee model.



On 11/24/2020 6:59 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Notification wrote:

The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@RealSTMFC.groups.io group.

By: Richard Remiarz

Description:
Lowering bolsters on Intermountain boxcars



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Re: IC 50' double door single sheathed box car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Andy,

As I noted in my post, the Walthers car had 3-3-3 Dreadnaught ends.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:49 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Hi Al-

Based on your mentioning of IC 50'ers, I went to Fallen Flag and found a 1968 shot of IC 34730, a 4 + 5 panel double door SS car. This car had 5-5-7 Murphy corrugated ends, a lower side sill fish belly attachment and similar Howe truss configuration. My board counts show + or - one wood board. The upper side sill on the IC car seems a bit taller than the Walthers side, but the diagonal braces on each end look close to exact. Hard to determine the IC roof. Door and half Wood doors lasting to the late 1960s. That may make the side panels a bit wider in dimension compared to the true double door Walthers car. All-in-all, I would say interesting!
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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On Wednesday, November 25, 2020, 8:43:48 AM PST, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:


As Fenton suggests, I've done the IC 50' SS DD box from the Walthers car. Richard Hendrickson surveyed prototypes years ago, I want to say in RMJ.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Search STMFC question

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Al and Friends,

Richard's had two articles on the 50' SS boxcars in the July 1995 RMJ. The first article covered the prototypes, and a second was on upgrading MDC cars. He followed this up with another pair of prototype and model articles in the July 1996 RMJ.

Going a bit farther back, Richard Burg had three articles on prototype 50' SS auto and boxcars. I have parts two and three, which ran in the October and November 1989 RMJ. An unattributed addendum to Richard's series gives a list of the prototypes in the November 1989 RMJ.

You can find all these RMJ articles on the Trainlife Magazine Library in PDF format.

And let's not forget Ted Culotta's "Essential Freight Cars: 41" from RMC. I don't have the date for this one, as I clipped it off the bottom of my scans. In Ted's list of available models, he mainly lists resin kits, but also includes the MDC cars. He does not mention Walthers' cars at all.

I don't have the correspondence from the old USENET group, but IIRC, the general feeling that the Walthers car was pretty much a complete kludge. I think that scared almost everybody away in favor of the more accurate MDC cars, which might explain why there weren't any articles on upgrading the Walthers offering. I bought one as soon as they came out and thought it was a nice car, then the comments came. Mine went up for sale when I cleaned house of my Athearn and similar cars. I just checked my parts box, and discovered I have two of the A-ends from these cars (you had a choice of a 3-3-3 Dreadnaught end or the end door, with the B-end being part of the main casting), so I must have bought two and installed the end doors.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 11:43 AM al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:
As Fenton suggests, I've done the IC 50' SS DD box from the Walthers car. Richard Hendrickson surveyed prototypes years ago, I want to say in RMJ.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


IC 50' double door single sheathed box car

Andy Carlson
 

Hi Al-

Based on your mentioning of IC 50'ers, I went to Fallen Flag and found a 1968 shot of IC 34730, a 4 + 5 panel double door SS car. This car had 5-5-7 Murphy corrugated ends, a lower side sill fish belly attachment and similar Howe truss configuration. My board counts show + or - one wood board. The upper side sill on the IC car seems a bit taller than the Walthers side, but the diagonal braces on each end look close to exact. Hard to determine the IC roof. Door and half Wood doors lasting to the late 1960s. That may make the side panels a bit wider in dimension compared to the true double door Walthers car. All-in-all, I would say interesting!
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Inline image



On Wednesday, November 25, 2020, 8:43:48 AM PST, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:


As Fenton suggests, I've done the IC 50' SS DD box from the Walthers car. Richard Hendrickson surveyed prototypes years ago, I want to say in RMJ.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
_._,_._,_


Re: K4 Decals

brianleppert@att.net
 

Those trucks are made by Tangent Scale Models.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Search STMFC question

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Steve, interesting bash.
Fenton

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 11:30 AM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Many years ago I did shorten the Walthers 50 foot car to 40 feet as part of pair of Wabash 40 footers.  In the attached photo, the Walthers end doors went on to one of the old F&C kits on the left in the photo.  The Walthers car was shortened by removing a panel section on either side.  I am happy with the overall result, but there is a bit of funkiness to the roof rib spacing.  (I wasn’t into replacing roofs in those days.)

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

 


I friend - Leo Landry - figured out to make a number of cuts into the cars to shorten
them to 40 feet. His looked fine to me but I don't know if there was an exact prototype
to match. But it may be worth looking into.


On 11/24/2020 11:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hi-

 

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

 

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

 

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

 

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 


--
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Sterling, Massachusetts



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Re: Search STMFC question

al_brown03
 

As Fenton suggests, I've done the IC 50' SS DD box from the Walthers car. Richard Hendrickson surveyed prototypes years ago, I want to say in RMJ.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Search STMFC question

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Nice looking cars, Steve.  Who looks at roofs (from ground level) anyway?  😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 11:30 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

 

Many years ago I did shorten the Walthers 50 foot car to 40 feet as part of pair of Wabash 40 footers.  In the attached photo, the Walthers end doors went on to one of the old F&C kits on the left in the photo.  The Walthers car was shortened by removing a panel section on either side.  I am happy with the overall result, but there is a bit of funkiness to the roof rib spacing.  (I wasn’t into replacing roofs in those days.)

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

 


I friend - Leo Landry - figured out to make a number of cuts into the cars to shorten
them to 40 feet. His looked fine to me but I don't know if there was an exact prototype
to match. But it may be worth looking into.


On 11/24/2020 11:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hi-

 

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

 

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

 

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

 

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Search STMFC question

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Many years ago I did shorten the Walthers 50 foot car to 40 feet as part of pair of Wabash 40 footers.  In the attached photo, the Walthers end doors went on to one of the old F&C kits on the left in the photo.  The Walthers car was shortened by removing a panel section on either side.  I am happy with the overall result, but there is a bit of funkiness to the roof rib spacing.  (I wasn’t into replacing roofs in those days.)

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

 


I friend - Leo Landry - figured out to make a number of cuts into the cars to shorten
them to 40 feet. His looked fine to me but I don't know if there was an exact prototype
to match. But it may be worth looking into.


On 11/24/2020 11:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hi-

 

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

 

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

 

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

 

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


File /Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.doc uploaded #file-notice

Andy Carlson
 

Yes, Tim, but the Intermountain house cars ride too high on THEIR own trucks. This has been known for a long time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, November 25, 2020, 7:55:43 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I've been scratching my head kind of wondering what this discussion was all about... but looking
at your document it seems to me that part of the issue is the trucks themselves.Truck bolsters made
to fit one style of underframe may not have the correct height for another style of underframe.
I always have to fuss with height when I'm using Kadee trucks, for example, on a non-Kadee model.



On 11/24/2020 6:59 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Notification wrote:

The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@RealSTMFC.groups.io group.

By: Richard Remiarz

Description:
Lowering bolsters on Intermountain boxcars



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts