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Re: PRR X31A HO cars for sale

Michael Gross
 

I have been having the same trouble, Tim, so just sent Ted a Private Message via RealSTMFC.
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Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 07:10 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
I would suggest the possibility that the casting was poured without any special accomodation for the holes, and when removed from the mold the holes were drilled at the foundry prior to shipping. The foundry could have a set of pre-made jigs to properly locate the drill and therefore the holes, speeding the process when a large number of castings need to be drilled identically
Yeah, it would be work for a BIG radial drill, but no matter how big, the frame would have to be shifted multiple times. The advantage of a radial drill is for fine adjustment; the heavy part only needs to be shifted for gross positioning, and the drill easily adjusted to hit the spot, so to speak.

Dennis Storzek


Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Richard Townsend
 

Does anyone know if these cars are to be available again soon?


On Oct 22, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:



The thin decks are a deficiency that has since been fixed. There is no reason to worry about it on future runs - the GSI 53'6" bulkhead flatcars had the new decks and I am told that future releases of the standard flatcar will also have deck sheets of the correct thickness.

If it wasn't obvious by the title of my message, yes, we are referring to what ExactRail called the 42' flatcar. It's actually slightly longer, since 42' is the length of usable deck that Union Pacific listed in their rosters and ORER entries. The GM&O car is exactly the same, but they measured to end of the wood planking instead of ends of the entire deck including the steel framing hence being called a "41-foot car".

Josh B


Re: Large Model: MDT Reefer #9000

Mike Williams
 

The first (indoor) photo was taken when it was on display at the Rochester station. The arched tile behind it was a drinking fountain.


Re: Large Model: MDT Reefer #9000

Mike Williams
 

The model is still on display in the East Rochester Town Hall. It has different paint schemes on opposite sides.


FS: HO Cars for sale

Brian Carlson
 

All: Have a few more cars to sell due to back dating and Rapido. Just 3 listed below. 

Sunshine Kit 62.1 UTLX 10k X-3 $45 (Now that Rapido announced theirs this is is something that probably would never get built so if you like building, here you go.)
Red Caboose 40' ACF Box Car 6' Door 4/3/1/ ends C&S 1652 May 1957 build. Built $20
Red caboose 40' ACF Box Car 6' Door 4/3/1/ ends undec kit $15

Paypal or check, Shipping via USPS Priority Mail 
Contact me OFF LIST at prrk41361 AT yahoo DOT com. 
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

mopacfirst
 

If these were sand castings, even with resin binder as is common now, it might be kind of tricky to insert that many cores for the holes.

I still wonder if there are photos of the casting process.  I've been in lots of foundries pouring pressure castings, which are not that different from flatcars in terms of the technique, but we might be able to get a clue if we can approach an existing one.  I'll look around in central Kansas.

Ron Merrick


Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Tim O'Connor
 



GSC castings had MANY holes in them... maybe their abilities had something to do with their success


On 10/23/2021 10:10 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi Dennis and List Members,
 
Dennis wrote: "if you zoom in close to the nearest frame, the deck holes are already present"
 
As are holes in the stake pockets and other locations.
 
Dennis further wrote: "I would assume they were cast in"
 
If they were cast in, that would indicate that the mold material would be trapped against the car body casting and also in the holes themselves. I suspect there would be a high rate of mold failures where the holes are supposed to end up being, no?
 
I would suggest the possibility that the casting was poured without any special accomodation for the holes, and when removed from the mold the holes were drilled at the foundry prior to shipping. The foundry could have a set of pre-made jigs to properly locate the drill and therefore the holes, speeding the process when a large number of castings need to be drilled identically
 
Claus Schlund
 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Dennis and List Members,
 
Dennis wrote: "if you zoom in close to the nearest frame, the deck holes are already present"
 
As are holes in the stake pockets and other locations.
 
Dennis further wrote: "I would assume they were cast in"
 
If they were cast in, that would indicate that the mold material would be trapped against the car body casting and also in the holes themselves. I suspect there would be a high rate of mold failures where the holes are supposed to end up being, no?
 
I would suggest the possibility that the casting was poured without any special accomodation for the holes, and when removed from the mold the holes were drilled at the foundry prior to shipping. The foundry could have a set of pre-made jigs to properly locate the drill and therefore the holes, speeding the process when a large number of castings need to be drilled identically
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 06:23 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
I presume the railroad drilled all the holes for stirrup steps, route card boards, and so forth.  Did that include the couple of hundred holes for anchoring the decking?  More to the point, can someone point me to detail photos of the castings in progress at GSC?
I would assume they were cast in. This picture:
http://idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll56/id/7258/rec/9
Seems to have been taken right after unloading, and if you zoom in close to the nearest frame, the deck holes are already present.

Dennis Storzek


C&A freight cars

Eric Hansmann
 

A new freight car fleet resource has been added to my DesignBuildOp blog. Ray Breyer summarized the Alton fleet of the 1920s. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 06:23 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
I presume the railroad drilled all the holes for stirrup steps, route card boards, and so forth.  Did that include the couple of hundred holes for anchoring the decking?  More to the point, can someone point me to detail photos of the castings in progress at GSC?
I would assume they were cast in. This picture:
http://idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll56/id/7258/rec/9
Seems to have been taken right after unloading, and if you zoom in close to the nearest frame, the deck holes are already present.

Dennis Storzek


Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

mopacfirst
 

I have a more general question.

First, the technology for pouring castings 60' or more long, or something as complicated as a locomotive frame, barely exists today.  Partly, that's because of the growth of welding  and its related NDE techniques as a fabrication method.  Regardless, those are pretty impressive steel castings.

I presume the railroad drilled all the holes for stirrup steps, route card boards, and so forth.  Did that include the couple of hundred holes for anchoring the decking?  More to the point, can someone point me to detail photos of the castings in progress at GSC?

When I was young and had a summer job, I drilled 96 holes in 1/2" steel plate one day, to join two halves of a building together -- think double-wide.  took me all day.  I started at the bottom of one end, and I was so happy when I reached the opposite side and started on the lower, more reachable, parts.  Took me the entire day.  I think it was an electric drill, not a pneumatic.

Ron Merrick


Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Matt Smith
 

My apologies if these show the 70,000 series cars. I was aware of the building of the 72,000 series 53' 6" cars by the GM&O shops in Feb and Mar of 51'. Regardless the car builds/pics would have been nearly identical. GSC castings arriving on flat cars and recycled components and decking applied. 
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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Josh
 

The thin decks are a deficiency that has since been fixed. There is no reason to worry about it on future runs - the GSI 53'6" bulkhead flatcars had the new decks and I am told that future releases of the standard flatcar will also have deck sheets of the correct thickness.

If it wasn't obvious by the title of my message, yes, we are referring to what ExactRail called the 42' flatcar. It's actually slightly longer, since 42' is the length of usable deck that Union Pacific listed in their rosters and ORER entries. The GM&O car is exactly the same, but they measured to end of the wood planking instead of ends of the entire deck including the steel framing hence being called a "41-foot car".

Josh B


Photo: Hyman Pickle Company Car #3

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Hyman Pickle Company Car #3

Courtesy of the Barriger Library via “gmpullman”:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/25611551918/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/39450844172/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/38772953064/

The Hymen Pickle Company of Louisville, KY, incorporated in 1903.

The company had a large farm in Medora, KY.

They produced several products. Their Hot Oyster Catsup was one of their top labels.

The Hyman Pickle Company building on Pearl Street between Floyd and Brook, was consumed by fire in 1947. A current Louisville Google map does not show Pearl Street.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: I received my Rapido X31s today

Jeffrey White
 

All three of mine were perfect.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 10/21/2021 3:22 PM, westside_joe wrote:
Did any of your cars come with crooked stirrup steps?   Both of my cars had a couple poorly placed ones.   If so, how could they be corrected?

Thanks,

Joe Piazza


Re: PRR X31A HO cars for sale

Tim O'Connor
 


Ted, for reasons that passeth understanding whenever I send an email to railsunl@... the
destination address is changed to railsurnl@... !! This causes me to get this error reply:

Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address. <railsurnl@...>:
554: 30 Sorry, your message to railsurnl@... cannot be delivered. This mailbox is disabled (554.30).

Do you have another email address I can use? I have tried it multiple times and each time the address is
modified. In 40+ years of emails I have never seen this happen before! 😕

Tim O'Connor


On 10/22/2021 10:41 AM, Ted Schnepf wrote:
Hello,

The Rapido, PRR X31A cars, have arrived, in the circle keystone versions.  Both single and double door, 6 numbers each.  

Will sell individual cars. Contact off list for discount pricing.

Rai8ls Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


PRR X31A HO cars for sale

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

The Rapido, PRR X31A cars, have arrived, in the circle keystone versions.  Both single and double door, 6 numbers each.  

Will sell individual cars. Contact off list for discount pricing.

Rai8ls Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


Re: X-3 Tank Car Rapido

Jared Harper
 

They want to leave something for the modeler to do.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: GM&O GSC 43' Flat Car Build, Bloomington Shops 1951

Tim O'Connor
 

I have the UP on my workbench. I put support under the deck pieces to bring them up to the
level of the steel braces. The too-thin decks are an eyesore.

Tim O'Connor

On 10/21/2021 6:08 PM, David via groups.io wrote:
but which of the Exactrail cars? wasn't there more than one version?
By fortuitous coincidence, these UP flats are essentially identical to the GM&O cars in question:

https://exactrail.com/products/gsc-42-flat-car-up-1951-as-delivered

David Thompson
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

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