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Re: covered gondola help

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 5/30/2011 7:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
All
across the early Athearn line, you see "shorty" versions of rolling
stock (not all of which fitted in the same box). That's what I think
was going on.
At the time of the majority of the Blue Box kits I think 15 and 18
inch snap track was very common and I'm sure the cars were designed for
that. I really hate to admit this but my very first HO layout was on a
sheet of 4 x 8 plywood with 15 and 18 inch snap track and I think a
couple of #4 switches. We have come a long ways!

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: covered gondola help

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson

Greg Martin wrote:
. . . these are BOX SCALE... Just like the flat car, whatever it
took to fit in the little blue box.
Not to pick on Greg, but I think this "box scale" story is an
urban legend. Athearn had several other box sizes for passenger cars
and locomotives, and to maintain that they HAD to fit everything into
a single box is silly. Greg, ever notice the Athearn mechanical
reefers? Sure don't fit in the 40-ft. car box.
But I do think they wanted to keep cars short for those with
18-inch or less curves, sometimes called the "toy train folks." All
across the early Athearn line, you see "shorty" versions of rolling
stock (not all of which fitted in the same box). That's what I think
was going on.

----- Original Message -----

Plus, the cars are to my knowledge the correct (or at least standard for the
type) height and width, so they can't be shortened and be scale at all.

"Box scale" was very common in the 50s and 60s for aircraft and ship models,
leading to the ever popular 1/54, 1/78, 1/131, and 1/509 scales (among
others). It has not been determined if they were sized to fit standard
boxes or standard injection molding machines, though.

KL


Re: covered gondola help

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Greg Martin wrote:
. . . these are BOX SCALE... Just like the flat car, whatever it took to fit in the little blue box.
Not to pick on Greg, but I think this "box scale" story is an urban legend. Athearn had several other box sizes for passenger cars and locomotives, and to maintain that they HAD to fit everything into a single box is silly. Greg, ever notice the Athearn mechanical reefers? Sure don't fit in the 40-ft. car box.
But I do think they wanted to keep cars short for those with 18-inch or less curves, sometimes called the "toy train folks." All across the early Athearn line, you see "shorty" versions of rolling stock (not all of which fitted in the same box). That's what I think was going on.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Styrene cements

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 5/30/2011 1:35 PM, Matthew wrote:
I had an "in" with a pharma supplier in Upstate NY, that allowed me to obtain reagent grade MEK by the gallon.
Regular grade is available in most hardware stores as well as Lowes
and Home Depot. I also only use it as styrene glue.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area

David
 

--- In STMFC@..., "al.kresse" <water.kresse@...> wrote:

I'm looking for a pre-CCC projects Geo Survey Topo maps of the Backbone-Covington-Potts Creek - Rich Patch-Clifton Forge, Virginia area before all the work projects turned old railroad roadbeds into local roads or fire trails.
IIRC, I found some 1920-era topos on this site a while back.

http://data.geocomm.com/catalog/US/61079/1516/group4-3.html

David Thompson


Re: Styrene cements

Chuck Soule
 

Jared Harper wrote:

I am surprised no one has mentioned MEK. That's all I have been using for years to join styrene. It works great!
If the label doesn't say MEK, it might list 2-butanone. Same stuff.

Chuck Soule


Re: Hub City Museum rolling stock - photos

Brian <cornbeltroute@...>
 

I returned to Oelwein, Iowa -- CGW's Hub City -- today and took photos and made measurement of the M&StL bulkhead flat toolbox. If any of this would be of use to you (or anyone else here), let me know. (Manufactured 1959, just slips in the door here.)

BTW, the tool box is two separate boxes but welded to the car in such a way to look like one.

-Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

Yep, GSC flats with 6'6" bulkheads. I have a 1981 shot of 16229 still in its bright red paint and Roman road name lettering. The cars were series 16201-16229, odd numbers only. <
If you have a shot showing equipment lockers I'd like to see it. :-) The B-end view of 16229 doesn't show any locker. -Tim O'Connor <

* M&Stl 16209 - bulkhead flat, steel deck, blt 5/59, IL 48-6. Manufacturer? Built as BHF, or converted? <<
M&StL 16209 as built as a bulkhead flat from the gitgo. The M&StL built 15 such cars at Marshalltown in 1959 using GSC flat car castings and a shorter version of the GSC cast bulkhead. The equipment lockers were of the M&StL's own design. These cars left the Marshalltown shops painted bright red with white stenciling. At least one remains in original paint on the Fremont & Elkhorn Valley (or some such a similar name) in Nebraska. -Gene Green <<<


Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area

SUVCWORR@...
 

Al,

Don't know for sure. My guess would be no more than 300 dpi. The files are big enough to be much more than that.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area




Rich,



Many thanks!



Do you know what dpi they have scanned them at? MyTopo is marginal: OK for a
PPT presentation, but leaves a little to be desired for an article image.



Al


----- Original Message -----
From: SUVCWORR@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington
area


Al.

Try this.

http://mysite.verizon.net/resteele1/newsites/va_historical_topos.htm

Rich Orr









-----Original Message-----
From: al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 1:48 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area



I'm looking for a pre-CCC projects Geo Survey Topo maps of the
Backbone-Covington-Potts Creek - Rich Patch-Clifton Forge, Virginia area before
all the work projects turned old railroad roadbeds into local roads or fire
trails. That whole area should be a maze of mine or furnace trackbeds. Blast
furnaces closed in the teens and twenties, but their iron ore mines stayed open
longer.

The quadrant should break right around Low Moor between Covington and Clifton
Forge. WE have an 1894 topo map of Clifton Forge east almost to Goshen and down

to Glenn Wilton.

Thanks,

Al Kresse



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O Scale Wabash Hopper Decals

Gary Roe
 

Group,

A project is underway to produce Wabash hopper decals in O Scale.
Basically, these would be O Scale versions of Mark Vaughan's HO hopper
decals. At this time, it is planned to have both 18" and 33" Wabash
lettering, as well as Ann Arbor lettering.

These are going to be done by Dick Kuelbs. He said that he would like to
find out how many people might be interested in these sets. To find out
more info, and to indicate your interest, please write to Dick at the
following address, and include a phone number where he can reach you. Dick
does not write e-mail.

Dick Kuelbs
P.O. Box 830191
Richardson, Tx 75083-0191

gary roe
quincy, illinois


Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area

water.kresse@...
 

Rich,



Many thanks!



Do you know what dpi they have scanned them at?  MyTopo is marginal:  OK for a PPT presentation, but leaves a little to be desired for an article image.



Al

----- Original Message -----
From: SUVCWORR@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area


 Al.

Try this.

http://mysite.verizon.net/resteele1/newsites/va_historical_topos.htm

Rich Orr


 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 1:48 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area


I'm looking for a pre-CCC projects Geo Survey Topo maps of the
Backbone-Covington-Potts Creek - Rich Patch-Clifton Forge, Virginia area before
all the work projects turned old railroad roadbeds into local roads or fire
trails.  That whole area should be a maze of mine or furnace trackbeds. Blast
furnaces closed in the teens and twenties, but their iron ore mines stayed open
longer.

The quadrant should break right around Low Moor between Covington and Clifton
Forge.  WE have an 1894 topo map of Clifton Forge east almost to Goshen and down
to Glenn Wilton.

Thanks,

Al Kresse



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Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area

SUVCWORR@...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 1:48 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area


I'm looking for a pre-CCC projects Geo Survey Topo maps of the
Backbone-Covington-Potts Creek - Rich Patch-Clifton Forge, Virginia area before
all the work projects turned old railroad roadbeds into local roads or fire
trails. That whole area should be a maze of mine or furnace trackbeds. Blast
furnaces closed in the teens and twenties, but their iron ore mines stayed open
longer.

The quadrant should break right around Low Moor between Covington and Clifton
Forge. WE have an 1894 topo map of Clifton Forge east almost to Goshen and down
to Glenn Wilton.

Thanks,

Al Kresse



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Re: News Flash... Alien Attacks Testors Liquid Cement

Greg Martin
 

Al,

Oh course they do... They have been doing it for years... And they
transmit signals to you while your sleeping making you believe that the Athearn
Gondola has a prototype similarity....

Greg Martin


_harperandbrown@... (mailto:harperandbrown@...) writes:

Greg.
Horrors! Do the enter cat doors too?
Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: covered gondola help

Greg Martin
 

Peter,

Hope I am not to late to the party. As I reminded everyone at my Clinic in
Cocoa Beach when we were cutting these critters up to make something a bit
more scale out of them (thanks to Richard Hendrickson's suggestion) these
are is BOX SCALE... Just like the flat car, whatever it took to fit in the
little blue box.

Greg Martin


_prness@... (mailto:prness@...) writes:




Hi Folks,

I am suffering from a major bout of CRS on this topic. I have searched
posts to no avail, so I apologize for taking up bandwidth in advance.

I recall (perhaps sometime in 2010) there were a couple of posts on the
accuracy of the Athearn covered 52' gon. I recall (vaguely) at the time the
response was this car was most similar to either a Reading or Erie car and
there was a link to a photo of the protoype.

As always, any and all help greatly appreciated in advance.

Regards,
Peter Ness





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Re: covered gondola help

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 30, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Peter Ness wrote:

Um...er...yes, that would be the 49' version of the 52' Bethlehem
Steel that I was referring to...I did know the Athearn car was a
"shorty", yet still I recall a couple of threads referencing a
prototype. It could well be the model subject was indeed another
gon at the time, which may be why my thread searches were
unsuccessful...
Peter, this topic comes up periodically on the STMFC list, and the
answer is always the same. There is NO prototype for the Athearn 48'
mill gondola. I have it on the authority of the toolmaker that the
body was a generic mill gondola designed to fit Athearn's existing
underframe and weight for the 50' flat car model (which also was a
generic model with no specific prototype). I have never seen photos
or other data for a mill gondola that was even close enough so that
the Athearn model could be used as an approximate stand-in. Several
of us have, in the past, cut the Athearn body into sections, glued
them back together, otherwise modified them, and ended up with
reasonably accurate models of various prototype gondolas ranging from
41'6" to 52'6" in length, but those are major kitbashing projects.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Styrene cements

mforsyth127
 

Jared Harper wrote:

I am surprised no one has mentioned MEK. That's all I have been using for years to join styrene. It works great!

Jared,

I too am a straight MEK devotee'. Works da' Bomb!!! Would not consider using anything else.

I had an "in" with a pharma supplier in Upstate NY, that allowed me to obtain reagent grade MEK by the gallon.

I store it in a sealed, screw-top metal can. That gallon has lasted me over a decade, and it's still going strong with no degradation whatsoever. I think I flipped the guy $5 for 128 ounces.

At somewhere around $5 a bottle (retail) an equivalent quantity of Tenax would run you about $640.

I could be spending that money on other modeling supplies!!

Matt Forsyth

Modeling the D&H Penn Division
Erie Jefferson Division
In "O" Scale, Proto 5-0
Summer of 1951

http://mattforsyth.com/


Re: Intermountain Type 27 Undec model

Jim Barnes
 

IM 8K undec tankcar are available from Andy Carlson. Email:
midcentury@...
Sent from my LG phone

Drew <phillydrewcifer@...> wrote:

Intermountain lists them as "in stock" here:
http://intermountain-railway.com/ho/hokit.htm

Drew

--- On Sun, 5/29/11, Brian Carlson <prrk41361@...> wrote:

From: Brian Carlson <prrk41361@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain Type 27 Undec model
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 8:53 PM
















 









Anyone got an undec 8000 gallon type 27 they do not need. Looking for one

and can't find one. Contact me OFFLIST at prrk41361@... thanks.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.



Cheektowaga, NY



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Re: Styrene cements

O Fenton Wells
 

Me too, it's cheap and it works very well.
Fenton

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:01 PM, almabranch <harperandbrown@...>wrote:



I am surprised no one has mentioned MEK. That's all I have been using for
years to join styrene. It works great!
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Craig Zeni wrote

But recently I bought a bottle of Tamiya's product. It's great.
... not as fast as the Tenax...gives me some working time. And the
brush in the cap is actually useful.
I agree Craig. Ditto. I really like the brush. But I still like Tenax
best. If you get a little too much on an area (thin, not pooled) it is
unlikely to harm the paint. And it has the best capillary action.

When the Tamiya bottle is empty I will refill it with Tenax. :-)

Tim O'Connor

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3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
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Re: covered gondola help

Peter Ness
 

Um...er...yes, that would be the 49' version of the 52' Bethlehem Steel that I was referring to...I did know the Athearn car was a "shorty", yet still I recall a couple of threads referencing a prototype. It could well be the model subject was indeed another gon at the time, which may be why my thread searches were unsuccessful...

Regards,
Peter Ness

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: covered gondola help



Peter Ness wrote:
> I recall (perhaps sometime in 2010) there were a couple of posts on
> the accuracy of the Athearn covered 52' gon. I recall (vaguely) at
> the time the response was this car was most similar to either a
> Reading or Erie car and there was a link to a photo of the protoype.

Peter, I'm no expert on covered gondolas, but it would be amazing
if the Athearn covered gon has a prototype, as the underlying car has
only a few, and most of them only if you modify the car. And BTW, it's
not a 52-foot car inside length. Measure it again.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Styrene cements

Jared Harper
 

I am surprised no one has mentioned MEK. That's all I have been using for years to join styrene. It works great!
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Craig Zeni wrote

> But recently I bought a bottle of Tamiya's product. It's great.
> ... not as fast as the Tenax...gives me some working time. And the
> brush in the cap is actually useful.

I agree Craig. Ditto. I really like the brush. But I still like Tenax
best. If you get a little too much on an area (thin, not pooled) it is
unlikely to harm the paint. And it has the best capillary action.

When the Tamiya bottle is empty I will refill it with Tenax. :-)

Tim O'Connor


Re: News Flash... Alien Attacks Testors Liquid Cement

Jared Harper
 

Greg.
Horrors! Do the enter cat doors too?
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote:

Armand Premo wrote:

" I am having problems with Testors' liquid cement"


Tony ask:
"Have you been using the bottle for some time? "

Schuyler adds:
"Two of these joints set up perfectly. The third . . . simply WOULD NOT
BOND, but only on one side. The other side would bond, but the one side would
not stay glued together."

It's the friggin" SHAKE N TAKE ALIENS... there back again. They stole my
Shake N Take Disc for the X45 along with the kit and the two extra sets of
hand-outs... Their back and they only attack SHAKE N TAKE Modelers ...
They screw with your glue while your sleeping... Hide your stuff... Their
smallish with Almond shaped black eyes and they come in your dog doors while
your asleep...

Greg Martin




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