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Looking for builder's photo of PS-1, NH 35149
Bryan Busséy
Folks,
I'm looking for the builder's photo of a PS-1 boxcar, New Haven #35149. The car is freight car red and has a black seven-foot Superior door. I know the photo has been featured in at least one book or periodical because I've seen it on numerous occasions, but I can't remember which one. If someone would enlighten me, I would be appreciative. Thanks. bb
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Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area
water.kresse@...
Thanks to many who have provided me with three or four more sources over and above MyTopo.com.
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Al Kresse, currently with the MOS of "Garden Slave and Dog Washer"
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From: "Eric" <eric@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:50:37 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area Al, Have you tried the Virginia Department of Mines? http://www.dmme.virginia.gov/divisionmineralresources.shtml Several years ago I needed an old topo of the Elkins, West Virginia area. I called the West Virginia Geological Survey and obtained a reprint of an early 1920s topo that fit my needs. Just thought there should be something similar in East Virginia. Eric Eric Hansmann Chagrin Falls, Ohio Modeling the railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926: http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/ --- In STMFC@..., "al.kresse" <water.kresse@...> wrote:
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ADMIN: Messages Associated With Commercial Selling
mike brock <brockm@...>
This is a good time to mention that the STMFC rule regarding messages associated with the selling of items as part of a commercial activity is:
"Messages regarding the selling of products as part of a commercial enterprise must be sent during the period of noon Friday EST and Saturday midnight EST. Each seller is allowed one message unless a correction is needed. Seller messages MUST include OFF GROUP addresses for replies. Replies by members to seller messages MUST be OFF GROUP. I might also note that all messages to the STMFC require signing with your first AND last name. Thanks. Mike Brock STMFC Owner
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FS: New Products from Mount Vernon Shops
To Whom It May Concern:
Mount Vernon Shops is happy to announce the introduction of two new products this week to its line. 1. HO Scale PRR GLc and GLca decals. These are for cars done in the PRR’s Circle Keystone Scheme. There is enough data to do six cars on the set. It includes 6 different re-weigh locations on the PRR System and also the “Coal Goes to War” Monogram for 3 cars as well. For more information follow this link: http://www.mountvernonshops.com/GLC.html 2. HO Scale LCL Bulk Merchandise Containers. These are being produced in a limited run for me. These are one-piece cast urethane bodies and only require paint and lettering and they’ll be ready to include as a Gondola load. They’re being sold in packs of 10 with decals for the following roads: B&O, DL&W, ERIE, NYC, RDG and PRR. The expected delivery of these to me is Mid-Summer of this year. For anyone that pre-orders at lest one pack with me prior to arrival of them they will get free shipping. For more information, follow this link: http://www.mountvernonshops.com/C1.html If anyone has any questions regarding the above products or any others listed on my website please contact me at the following email: jfrantz@... Thank You and Best Regards, John Frantz Owner, Mount Vernon Shops York, PA www.mountvernonshops.com Specializing in products for the Prototype Modeler!
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Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area
Eric Hansmann
Al,
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Have you tried the Virginia Department of Mines? http://www.dmme.virginia.gov/divisionmineralresources.shtml Several years ago I needed an old topo of the Elkins, West Virginia area. I called the West Virginia Geological Survey and obtained a reprint of an early 1920s topo that fit my needs. Just thought there should be something similar in East Virginia. Eric Eric Hansmann Chagrin Falls, Ohio Modeling the railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926: http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/
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Re: Why not model actual train consists? (UNCLASSIFIED)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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Caveats: NONE Maybe I am missing something based on what they did where I lived, but: The guys I knew at Conway included guys whose job it was to look for the cars in the yard (MTY) that suited the need of local industries. They were always looking for: a) gons in good condition, b) 50-foot box cars in good condition, c) 65-foot gons, d) covered gons, e) hoppers in good condition, and f) certain types of flat cars, in that order, if I remember right. The cars were assembled in blocks to serve groups of industries along certain portions of the line. A switch list was prepared, with the reporting marks and car number noted for reach car, except for big strings of hoppers, for unit train usage. If your local yard assembled a bunch of cars to go to local grain elevators, by looking through what they had, and making calls for what they needed, then creating that block for delivery, with a switch list for the crew of the local, why would they not know where the cars were going? Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 2:44 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Why not model actual train consists? Sorry, I didn't trim Tony's msg, so my question was unclear. I am referring specifically to the assertion that, "the crew on a local could look down the train (or the switchlist) and be pretty sure where EVERY car was going." -- I honestly don't understand. Let's say there's a PRR X29 that arrives on a small SP branch, or at a small town in Iowa. How would the local crew [on the prototype] know where it is going? I can understand that you can do that with open loads, or with private cars, or cars in leased fleets, but free-running box cars (like a MILW rib-side)?? How would they know? Regards, -Jeff Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE
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Re: covered gondola help
Jon Miller <atsf@...>
On 5/30/2011 7:30 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
AllAt the time of the majority of the Blue Box kits I think 15 and 18 inch snap track was very common and I'm sure the cars were designed for that. I really hate to admit this but my very first HO layout was on a sheet of 4 x 8 plywood with 15 and 18 inch snap track and I think a couple of #4 switches. We have come a long ways! -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: covered gondola help
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
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From: Anthony Thompson Greg Martin wrote: . . . these are BOX SCALE... Just like the flat car, whatever itNot to pick on Greg, but I think this "box scale" story is an urban legend. Athearn had several other box sizes for passenger cars and locomotives, and to maintain that they HAD to fit everything into a single box is silly. Greg, ever notice the Athearn mechanical reefers? Sure don't fit in the 40-ft. car box. But I do think they wanted to keep cars short for those with 18-inch or less curves, sometimes called the "toy train folks." All across the early Athearn line, you see "shorty" versions of rolling stock (not all of which fitted in the same box). That's what I think was going on. ----- Original Message ----- Plus, the cars are to my knowledge the correct (or at least standard for the type) height and width, so they can't be shortened and be scale at all. "Box scale" was very common in the 50s and 60s for aircraft and ship models, leading to the ever popular 1/54, 1/78, 1/131, and 1/509 scales (among others). It has not been determined if they were sized to fit standard boxes or standard injection molding machines, though. KL
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Re: covered gondola help
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Greg Martin wrote:
. . . these are BOX SCALE... Just like the flat car, whatever it took to fit in the little blue box.Not to pick on Greg, but I think this "box scale" story is an urban legend. Athearn had several other box sizes for passenger cars and locomotives, and to maintain that they HAD to fit everything into a single box is silly. Greg, ever notice the Athearn mechanical reefers? Sure don't fit in the 40-ft. car box. But I do think they wanted to keep cars short for those with 18-inch or less curves, sometimes called the "toy train folks." All across the early Athearn line, you see "shorty" versions of rolling stock (not all of which fitted in the same box). That's what I think was going on. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Styrene cements
Jon Miller <atsf@...>
On 5/30/2011 1:35 PM, Matthew wrote:
I had an "in" with a pharma supplier in Upstate NY, that allowed me to obtain reagent grade MEK by the gallon.Regular grade is available in most hardware stores as well as Lowes and Home Depot. I also only use it as styrene glue. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area
David
--- In STMFC@..., "al.kresse" <water.kresse@...> wrote:
IIRC, I found some 1920-era topos on this site a while back. http://data.geocomm.com/catalog/US/61079/1516/group4-3.html David Thompson
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Re: Styrene cements
Chuck Soule
Jared Harper wrote:
If the label doesn't say MEK, it might list 2-butanone. Same stuff. Chuck Soule
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Re: Hub City Museum rolling stock - photos
Brian <cornbeltroute@...>
I returned to Oelwein, Iowa -- CGW's Hub City -- today and took photos and made measurement of the M&StL bulkhead flat toolbox. If any of this would be of use to you (or anyone else here), let me know. (Manufactured 1959, just slips in the door here.)
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BTW, the tool box is two separate boxes but welded to the car in such a way to look like one. -Brian Chapman Evansdale, Iowa
Yep, GSC flats with 6'6" bulkheads. I have a 1981 shot of 16229 still in its bright red paint and Roman road name lettering. The cars were series 16201-16229, odd numbers only. < If you have a shot showing equipment lockers I'd like to see it. :-) The B-end view of 16229 doesn't show any locker. -Tim O'Connor < * M&Stl 16209 - bulkhead flat, steel deck, blt 5/59, IL 48-6. Manufacturer? Built as BHF, or converted? << M&StL 16209 as built as a bulkhead flat from the gitgo. The M&StL built 15 such cars at Marshalltown in 1959 using GSC flat car castings and a shorter version of the GSC cast bulkhead. The equipment lockers were of the M&StL's own design. These cars left the Marshalltown shops painted bright red with white stenciling. At least one remains in original paint on the Fremont & Elkhorn Valley (or some such a similar name) in Nebraska. -Gene Green <<<
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Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area
SUVCWORR@...
Al,
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Don't know for sure. My guess would be no more than 300 dpi. The files are big enough to be much more than that. Rich Orr
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From: water.kresse@... To: STMFC@... Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area Rich, Many thanks! Do you know what dpi they have scanned them at? MyTopo is marginal: OK for a PPT presentation, but leaves a little to be desired for an article image. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: SUVCWORR@... To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:10:13 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area Al. Try this. http://mysite.verizon.net/resteele1/newsites/va_historical_topos.htm Rich Orr -----Original Message----- From: al.kresse <water.kresse@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 1:48 pm Subject: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area I'm looking for a pre-CCC projects Geo Survey Topo maps of the Backbone-Covington-Potts Creek - Rich Patch-Clifton Forge, Virginia area before all the work projects turned old railroad roadbeds into local roads or fire trails. That whole area should be a maze of mine or furnace trackbeds. Blast furnaces closed in the teens and twenties, but their iron ore mines stayed open longer. The quadrant should break right around Low Moor between Covington and Clifton Forge. WE have an 1894 topo map of Clifton Forge east almost to Goshen and down to Glenn Wilton. Thanks, Al Kresse ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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O Scale Wabash Hopper Decals
Gary Roe
Group,
A project is underway to produce Wabash hopper decals in O Scale. Basically, these would be O Scale versions of Mark Vaughan's HO hopper decals. At this time, it is planned to have both 18" and 33" Wabash lettering, as well as Ann Arbor lettering. These are going to be done by Dick Kuelbs. He said that he would like to find out how many people might be interested in these sets. To find out more info, and to indicate your interest, please write to Dick at the following address, and include a phone number where he can reach you. Dick does not write e-mail. Dick Kuelbs P.O. Box 830191 Richardson, Tx 75083-0191 gary roe quincy, illinois
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Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area
water.kresse@...
Rich,
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Many thanks! Do you know what dpi they have scanned them at? MyTopo is marginal: OK for a PPT presentation, but leaves a little to be desired for an article image. Al
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From: SUVCWORR@... To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:10:13 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area Al. Try this. http://mysite.verizon.net/resteele1/newsites/va_historical_topos.htm Rich Orr -----Original Message----- From: al.kresse <water.kresse@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 1:48 pm Subject: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area I'm looking for a pre-CCC projects Geo Survey Topo maps of the Backbone-Covington-Potts Creek - Rich Patch-Clifton Forge, Virginia area before all the work projects turned old railroad roadbeds into local roads or fire trails. That whole area should be a maze of mine or furnace trackbeds. Blast furnaces closed in the teens and twenties, but their iron ore mines stayed open longer. The quadrant should break right around Low Moor between Covington and Clifton Forge. WE have an 1894 topo map of Clifton Forge east almost to Goshen and down to Glenn Wilton. Thanks, Al Kresse ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area
SUVCWORR@...
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From: al.kresse <water.kresse@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 1:48 pm Subject: [STMFC] Pre-30s Geo Survey Topo Map of Clifton Forge and Covington area I'm looking for a pre-CCC projects Geo Survey Topo maps of the Backbone-Covington-Potts Creek - Rich Patch-Clifton Forge, Virginia area before all the work projects turned old railroad roadbeds into local roads or fire trails. That whole area should be a maze of mine or furnace trackbeds. Blast furnaces closed in the teens and twenties, but their iron ore mines stayed open longer. The quadrant should break right around Low Moor between Covington and Clifton Forge. WE have an 1894 topo map of Clifton Forge east almost to Goshen and down to Glenn Wilton. Thanks, Al Kresse ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: News Flash... Alien Attacks Testors Liquid Cement
Greg Martin
Al,
Oh course they do... They have been doing it for years... And they transmit signals to you while your sleeping making you believe that the Athearn Gondola has a prototype similarity.... Greg Martin _harperandbrown@... (mailto:harperandbrown@...) writes: Greg. Horrors! Do the enter cat doors too? Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: covered gondola help
Greg Martin
Peter,
Hope I am not to late to the party. As I reminded everyone at my Clinic in Cocoa Beach when we were cutting these critters up to make something a bit more scale out of them (thanks to Richard Hendrickson's suggestion) these are is BOX SCALE... Just like the flat car, whatever it took to fit in the little blue box. Greg Martin _prness@... (mailto:prness@...) writes: Hi Folks, I am suffering from a major bout of CRS on this topic. I have searched posts to no avail, so I apologize for taking up bandwidth in advance. I recall (perhaps sometime in 2010) there were a couple of posts on the accuracy of the Athearn covered 52' gon. I recall (vaguely) at the time the response was this car was most similar to either a Reading or Erie car and there was a link to a photo of the protoype. As always, any and all help greatly appreciated in advance. Regards, Peter Ness [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: covered gondola help
Richard Hendrickson
On May 30, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Peter Ness wrote:
Um...er...yes, that would be the 49' version of the 52' BethlehemPeter, this topic comes up periodically on the STMFC list, and the answer is always the same. There is NO prototype for the Athearn 48' mill gondola. I have it on the authority of the toolmaker that the body was a generic mill gondola designed to fit Athearn's existing underframe and weight for the 50' flat car model (which also was a generic model with no specific prototype). I have never seen photos or other data for a mill gondola that was even close enough so that the Athearn model could be used as an approximate stand-in. Several of us have, in the past, cut the Athearn body into sections, glued them back together, otherwise modified them, and ended up with reasonably accurate models of various prototype gondolas ranging from 41'6" to 52'6" in length, but those are major kitbashing projects. Richard Hendrickson
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