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Re: Wabash S/S Box Car Roadname Lettering Question

Benjamin Hom
 

Jerry Glow asked:
"Wouldn't an ORER show door opening of the "reduced" size?"

Not necessarily.  I've seen these cars listed with the original opening listed
in the dimensional data, with a note indicating that the auxiliary door had been
sealed with a new door opening size of ________.


Ben Hom


Re: Wabash S/S Box Car Roadname Lettering Question

Bruce Smith
 

Jerry,

Usually it would, if the entry had been changed by the railroad since the modification of the car. But that's a big IF and it didn't happen overnight <G>. And as has been noted on this list a number of times, the permanently closed door was often stenciled to the effect.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:51 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:

Wouldn't an ORER show door opening of the "reduced" size?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

.......... A double door
car with lettering in the "normal" position might indicate that the
left door had been welded shut and could no longer be opened.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Wabash S/S Box Car Roadname Lettering Question

jerryglow2
 

Wouldn't an ORER show door opening of the "reduced" size?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

.......... A double door
car with lettering in the "normal" position might indicate that the
left door had been welded shut and could no longer be opened.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Boston Library

Armand Premo
 

Not sure about Boston,but they got to Vermont.Armand Premo

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John,

WE know that SAL Ventilated Boxes got up to Chicago via the C&O in the summers with watermellons, so why not Boston. Yard clerks at the Russell Manifest Receiving Yard said they came back really ripe and dirty in August. I'm guessing they traveled the more direct Clinchfield Connection but they could have gone over to/from Richmond also.

Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:28:42 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Boston Library

Is that a SAL "vent" box I see off in the distance... just barely left of the telephone pole?

John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark M
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 03:14 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Boston Library

Very interesting freight car shot, many PRR but look toward the rear!!!

Mark Morgan
PS Grandpa now

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786323249/sizes/o/in/photostream/

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Re: Wabash S/S Box Car Roadname Lettering Question

Bruce Smith
 

Victor,

In general, with automobile cars (or any 40' double door car) with the right door centered on the car, opening the left door completely would obscure the reporting marks if they were on the left side, making it difficult for a clerk on the loading dock to identify the car. For this reason, many double door cars have their reporting marks on the right side rather than the left side of the car. Often, most of the rest of the lettering was swapped as well. A double door car with lettering in the "normal" position might indicate that the left door had been welded shut and could no longer be opened.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jun 15, 2011, at 9:31 AM, wabash2813 wrote:

Am building an HO Speedswitch Media Wabash automobile boxcar. (By the way, this is wonderful kit, but I would have preferred the ladder stiles on the ends to be molded on. I have already broke one drilling it and am having a fun time getting the flash off the one I didn't break.)

To the point: I notice all the photos show the "WABASH" roadname lettering on the right side of the car. However, I recently came across a photo of one used in LCL service with the roadname lettering on the left side. Unfortunately, the photo does not show the car number. The door is opened to the right.

Did this have anything to do with which direction the door opened or could this be a single door car? Or is there some other variable? The photo was taken in the early 50s. Another interesting thing about the car is the "H" in Wabash sits higher than the rest of the lettering. Chet: If you read this, it is the car pictured in my "The Gary Local, The Last Mixed Train in Indiana" with Sam Fisher loading LCL. Folks, I can't post the photo here as it's from the Indiana Historical Society (Richard Simons photo) and the WRRHS had to pay some bucks to get it in the Banner.

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana





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Wabash S/S Box Car Roadname Lettering Question

reporterllc
 

Am building an HO Speedswitch Media Wabash automobile boxcar. (By the way, this is wonderful kit, but I would have preferred the ladder stiles on the ends to be molded on. I have already broke one drilling it and am having a fun time getting the flash off the one I didn't break.)

To the point: I notice all the photos show the "WABASH" roadname lettering on the right side of the car. However, I recently came across a photo of one used in LCL service with the roadname lettering on the left side. Unfortunately, the photo does not show the car number. The door is opened to the right.

Did this have anything to do with which direction the door opened or could this be a single door car? Or is there some other variable? The photo was taken in the early 50s. Another interesting thing about the car is the "H" in Wabash sits higher than the rest of the lettering. Chet: If you read this, it is the car pictured in my "The Gary Local, The Last Mixed Train in Indiana" with Sam Fisher loading LCL. Folks, I can't post the photo here as it's from the Indiana Historical Society (Richard Simons photo) and the WRRHS had to pay some bucks to get it in the Banner.

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: Sunshine site update

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

<When again is Naperville 2011 at Lisle?
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<Al Kresse

More information at:

http://www.railroadprototypemodelers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66&Itemid=59

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA


Re: decals

john.allyn@...
 

I have some ancient Champ decals; the envelope is marked "HO/OO".  This may explain the size discrepancy.

John B. Allyn

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From: "scottpitzer2002" <scottp459@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:55:34 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: decals

 





I hope it at least made some OO scale modelers happy.
Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@... , Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

That's an experience many have had--trying to fit Champ
lettering onto a model while comparing to a prototype photo, and
finding it won't fit in the same space. I once heard the theory that
Max Gray (an O scale guy at heart) had made everything in HO oversize
because he had some Silver Streak HO kits, which are also mostly
oversize, around 10 percent, which is about the error in several Champ
sets I struggled with. But that's probably just conjecture <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: Boston Library

water.kresse@...
 

John,



WE know that SAL Ventilated Boxes got up to Chicago via the C&O in the summers with watermellons, so why not Boston.  Yard clerks at the Russell Manifest Receiving Yard said they came back really ripe and dirty in August.  I'm guessing they traveled the more direct Clinchfield Connection but they could have gone over to/from Richmond also.



Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:28:42 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Boston Library

Is that a SAL "vent" box I see off in the distance... just barely left of the telephone pole?


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

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  From: Mark M
  To: STMFC@...
  Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 03:14 AM
  Subject: [STMFC] Boston Library


  Very interesting freight car shot, many PRR but look toward the rear!!!

  Mark Morgan
  PS Grandpa now

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786323249/sizes/o/in/photostream/

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Re: decals

jerryglow2
 

I believe that was the one - I can't (or want to) remember after the experience. Thanks for the kudos

Jerry Glow
The Villages FL
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Jerry

What set did you use? I'm guessing you tried to use HC-93, to letter a
rebuilt USRA hopper that Overland offered as a company sand car (OMI 3129)?
It's true the right hand side data looks funky, but I have a scan of one
of the hoppers with 5 lines of data, and another with only 4 lines. The
sand cars appear to be lettered slightly differently than the open cars.
Rich lived in North Dakota so he may have depended on others for the data
for many of his sets.

Anyway, I'm glad it inspired you to produce decals. Your work is very good
and a very good value.

Tim O'Connor


Re: decals

jerryglow2
 

Champ's not the only culprit. Even some of Sunshine's is not sized properly. My GM&O "supplemental set" was done for just that reason and I eventually made it a complete set.

Jerry Glow
The Villages FL
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:


That's an experience many have had--trying to fit Champ
lettering onto a model while comparing to a prototype photo, and
finding it won't fit in the same space. I once heard the theory that
Max Gray (an O scale guy at heart) had made everything in HO oversize
because he had some Silver Streak HO kits, which are also mostly
oversize, around 10 percent, which is about the error in several Champ
sets I struggled with. But that's probably just conjecture <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Boston Library

John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
 

Is that a SAL "vent" box I see off in the distance... just barely left of the telephone pole?


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark M
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 03:14 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Boston Library


Very interesting freight car shot, many PRR but look toward the rear!!!

Mark Morgan
PS Grandpa now

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786323249/sizes/o/in/photostream/


Boston Library

Mark
 

Very interesting freight car shot, many PRR but look toward the rear!!!

Mark Morgan
PS Grandpa now

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786323249/sizes/o/in/photostream/


Re: Colorado & Southern Ingoldsby Ore Cars C&S 20000 to 20349

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Richard

I don't know if you can draw a parallel but the CB&Q ordered 200 dump cars from the Ingoldsby Automatic Car. Co. in 1904 and they were built by Pullman.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

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From: "Richard Wilkens" <railsnw@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 1:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Colorado & Southern Ingoldsby Ore Cars C&S 20000 to 20349


Hello,

Trying to find some info on 350 Ingoldsby ore cars built in 1906 or 1907 for the Colorado & Southern in group C&S 20000 to 20349. I'm trying to find out who built them and to see if anyone has a diagram page for these cars. in 1930 and 1931 80 of these cars were sold to Nevada Consolidated Copper for use in hauling copper ore over the Nevada Northern from the mines west of Ely to the smelter at McGill.

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens


Re: Sunshine site update

Jim Hayes
 

Naperville/Lisle is Oct. 20, 21, 22 with a last breakfast Sunday morning the
23rd.

Jim

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:02 PM, <water.kresse@...> wrote:





When again is Naperville 2011 at Lisle?

Al Kresse

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From: "Jim Hayes" <jimhayes97225@...>
To: "Stm Frt Cars" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:02:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine site update

Yesterday I received the 2011 issue of The Sun, Sunshine's annual what's
new
& what's coming newsletter. You can see it by clicking Meetings at the top
of my home page and then selecting The Sun near the bottom of the Meetings

page.

I wrote to Joe D'Elia and asked about registration for Naperville (Lisle).
He sent me a registration form. You can do the same by writing to him at
ppw-aline@....

Jim

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Re: decals

Scott Pitzer
 

In what era did Champ put out the PFE set that didn't include any R- class markings? When I saw it I thought, "It's one thing to leave people to get a stripe from a striping set, or a DF emblem from a load-restraining devices set, but where are ya gonna find R- classes if not in a PFE set?"
Scott Pitzer


Re: CB&Q XA-16 brake layout

Tim O'Connor
 

The release rod is quite visible in the lower photo on page 95. The upper
photo shows the other side of the car and the brake reservoir hides the rod.
Many freight cars had the rod accessible from both sides of the car -- I'm
surprised that does not seem to be the case with these CB&Q cars. I rarely
model release rods but when I do I use .006 wire - pretty fragile stuff.

Tim O'Connor

It's the relief valve handle. The control valve is just inside the sill
behind the handle.

Nelson

-----Original Message-----

Thanks!

The builder's shots in RP CYC 13 show a little downward-pointing arrow,
stencilled on the left side sill but not the right. What does it indicate?
(AB valve?)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: CB&Q XA-16 brake layout

Tim O'Connor
 

For my first attempt (on a Front Range box car) I had no idea how to
model the brake components so I used an Athearn box car as my template!!
Needless to say, I built a nice mirror image of the brake system. I
knew the cylinder and brake wheel had to line up too, so I mounted
the brake wheel on the right side of one end. :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 6/14/2011 11:29 AM Tuesday, you wrote:
When I started building resin kits in about 1992-93, all of my model building was military-airplanes & armour-so the basic assembly and all of the parts did not intimidate me. But when I got to the brakes and the instructions essentially said: "Add brake parts" without any photos or explanation of what the parts looked like, I was pretty discouraged. If I remember correctly, I consulted the instructions from a Tichy "house car" kit to try to understand what the brake parts were.

It was then that I realized I need to understand the prototype better if I was going to build freight cars in a serious way and among other things started collecting photos.

Bill Welch


Re: CB&Q XA-16 brake layout

Tim O'Connor
 

Looking with a magnifying glass, it appears to say "Defect Card".
All freight cars have some provision for a defect card, usually a
round or square tube, into which a car inspector can slide a card
reporting some problem with the car. In this case it must be hidden
under the side sill.

Tim O'Connor

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The builder's shots in RP CYC 13 show a little downward-pointing arrow,
> stencilled on the left side sill but not the right. What does it indicate? (AB valve?)
> Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: decals

Tim O'Connor
 

Jerry

What set did you use? I'm guessing you tried to use HC-93, to letter a
rebuilt USRA hopper that Overland offered as a company sand car (OMI 3129)?
It's true the right hand side data looks funky, but I have a scan of one
of the hoppers with 5 lines of data, and another with only 4 lines. The
sand cars appear to be lettered slightly differently than the open cars.
Rich lived in North Dakota so he may have depended on others for the data
for many of his sets.

Anyway, I'm glad it inspired you to produce decals. Your work is very good
and a very good value.

Tim O'Connor

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My first experience with making decals was the result of using a Champ set on a brass Frisco covered hopper. Drawings and pictures had appeared in Mainline Modleler so I had good reference but the Champ set didn't fit properly and I was only able to get 4 lines of inaccurate data where the prototype had 5. I traded it for another unpainted one and started over, producing my own decals on an ALPS. I no longer use an ALPS but have been making decals ever since including even replacing some in Sunshine Models kits.
Jerry Glow

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