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Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

Clark Propst
 

Thanks guys!
I think I'll order Ted's NH decals and look for a 'original' X29 at swap meets.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Hoxie" <stevehprr@...> wrote:

Clark--Just to be crystal clear, PRR 504019 would not have had newer ends.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@..., "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@> wrote:

Clark,

The 502000-505948 series of X29s was built in 1924-24. As built, the
car had flat plate ends, CRECo doors, a short upper door track, 2 door
stops, KD brakes and a vertical staff hand brake. In service the door
may have been replaced with Youngstown doors, and the door track and
stops may have been modified.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

<cepropst@> 06/25/11 4:42 PM >>>
Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer
doors, ends?

Thanks,
Clark propst





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Re: CDS change of ownership?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I will ask Woody (the owner). He has been operating under these conditions
from the start, and has had to change suppliers from time-to-time as older
ones left the market. However, I never got the impression that he thought
the end is nigh.



Besides, most of his RR items are decals, not dry transfers.



KL



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Perhaps we should keep an eye on Archer, a big seller of military armor DT's
and now some RR items.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
jerryglow@... wrote:

My undersnding is that the dry transfer process is a fading technology
since computer outputting has surplanted their main use - pasteups for
commercial artwork. This was based on a conversation with Greg Komar who
said his supplier no longer produces them and I
believe he indicated that they had been doing work for other hobby
vendors.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Kathe
Robin" <kathe@> wrote:

Folks:



From what I've been told by an acquaintance, apparently CDS Dry
Transfers
now has a new owner. It appears that there is a potential to see new
material added to the line. If anyone could fill me in on this issue I
would greatly appreciate it.



Thank you,



Max

email: Max S. Robin, P.E.



smail: Max S. Robin,

Cheat River Coal and Lumber Co.

P. O. Box 289 / 23 Richwood Place

Denville, NJ 07834



voice: 973 - 945 - 5007 (8:00am - 11:00pm M-F. 10:00am - 11:00pm WE,
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Re: PRR X29 (was AAR 1937 decal questions)

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I believe I asked something similar a couple of years ago. It makes sense
that there is no correlation between brake system type and handbrake
application mechanism: The brake cylinder does not care what is pulling the
chain attached to it, and the mechanism does not care what is on the other
end of the chain. In the CBC diagrams I have the two "ends of the chain"
are treated as independent elements. I'm guessing what killed the
stemwinders was the removal of running boards.



KL

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On Jun 25, 2011, at 8:30 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Were KD brakes outlawed at the same time as KC brakes?
Yes, August 1953.

When would
end-mount hand brake wheels have replaced vertical staff hand brakes
on the X29's?
Never, in most cases. I have photos of X29s in the late '60s that
still had vertical staff hand brakes.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: CDS change of ownership?

Frank Pearsall
 

Good morning:

Clover House still produces a full line of dry-transfer rolling stock lettering. They have many lettering sets for older cars. Russ Clover recently sold the line to a gentleman from Washington state, so I don't know current supply status. The web site is:

www.cloverhouse.com

There's also Archer Transfers who is doing "rivets". He's real big over the military field. It would not surprise me if he got into freight car lettering if enough people expressed interest and could supply him with information. He's at:

www.archertransfers.com

Can make no comment about Greg Komar dry transfers. His line is still shown on the Great Decals web site.

I have no commercial interest in any of the above companies; I'm just a real fan of dry transfers.

Frank Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.

On Jun 25, 2011, at 11:12 PM, jerryglow@... wrote:

My understanding is that the dry transfer process is a fading technology since computer outputting has surplanted their main use - pasteups for commercial artwork. This was based on a conversation with Greg Komar who said his supplier no longer produces them and I believe he indicated that they had been doing work for other hobby vendors.

Jerry Glow


Re: CDS change of ownership?

Bill Welch
 

Perhaps we should keep an eye on Archer, a big seller of military armor DT's and now some RR items.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

My undersnding is that the dry transfer process is a fading technology since computer outputting has surplanted their main use - pasteups for commercial artwork. This was based on a conversation with Greg Komar who said his supplier no longer produces them and I
believe he indicated that they had been doing work for other hobby vendors.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Kathe Robin" <kathe@> wrote:

Folks:



From what I've been told by an acquaintance, apparently CDS Dry Transfers
now has a new owner. It appears that there is a potential to see new
material added to the line. If anyone could fill me in on this issue I
would greatly appreciate it.



Thank you,



Max

email: Max S. Robin, P.E.



smail: Max S. Robin,

Cheat River Coal and Lumber Co.

P. O. Box 289 / 23 Richwood Place

Denville, NJ 07834



voice: 973 - 945 - 5007 (8:00am - 11:00pm M-F. 10:00am - 11:00pm WE,
Eastern)



























Re: Very interestin Shorpy photo

CJ Riley
 

I noticed that Cornplanter car as well. Chief Cornplanter was a prominent Chief in Northern PA, Warren area. Educated guess, the company was in the Oil City PA area in the early oil boom. In order to avoid Mike's jail swill, I have heard rumors he modeled freight cars in standard gauge.

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA
&#92;
Oh yeah that cool looking Cornplanter tank car. Wow. I looked up what CTL is in my 1905 ORERs and I could not find it. There is a CTL which is the Crescent Tank Line but they don't have a tank car with that number or that series. Any idea what company it is?


Re: PRR X29 (was AAR 1937 decal questions)

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 25, 2011, at 8:30 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Were KD brakes outlawed at the same time as KC brakes?
Yes, August 1953.

When would
end-mount hand brake wheels have replaced vertical staff hand brakes
on the X29's?
Never, in most cases. I have photos of X29s in the late '60s that
still had vertical staff hand brakes.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: PRR X29 (was AAR 1937 decal questions)

Tim O'Connor
 

Were KD brakes outlawed at the same time as KC brakes? When would
end-mount hand brake wheels have replaced vertical staff hand brakes
on the X29's?

Tim O'Connor


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The 502000-505948 series of X29s was built in 1924-24. As built, the
car had flat plate ends, CRECo doors, a short upper door track, 2 door
stops, KD brakes and a vertical staff hand brake. In service the door
may have been replaced with Youngstown doors, and the door track and
stops may have been modified.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer
doors, ends?

Thanks,
Clark propst


Re: CDS change of ownership?

jerryglow2
 

My undersnding is that the dry transfer process is a fading technology since computer outputting has surplanted their main use - pasteups for commercial artwork. This was based on a conversation with Greg Komar who said his supplier no longer produces them and I
believe he indicated that they had been doing work for other hobby vendors.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Kathe Robin" <kathe@...> wrote:

Folks:



From what I've been told by an acquaintance, apparently CDS Dry Transfers
now has a new owner. It appears that there is a potential to see new
material added to the line. If anyone could fill me in on this issue I
would greatly appreciate it.



Thank you,



Max

email: Max S. Robin, P.E.



smail: Max S. Robin,

Cheat River Coal and Lumber Co.

P. O. Box 289 / 23 Richwood Place

Denville, NJ 07834



voice: 973 - 945 - 5007 (8:00am - 11:00pm M-F. 10:00am - 11:00pm WE,
Eastern)

























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CDS change of ownership?

Kathe Robin <kathe@...>
 

Folks:



From what I've been told by an acquaintance, apparently CDS Dry Transfers
now has a new owner. It appears that there is a potential to see new
material added to the line. If anyone could fill me in on this issue I
would greatly appreciate it.



Thank you,



Max

email: Max S. Robin, P.E.



smail: Max S. Robin,

Cheat River Coal and Lumber Co.

P. O. Box 289 / 23 Richwood Place

Denville, NJ 07834



voice: 973 - 945 - 5007 (8:00am - 11:00pm M-F. 10:00am - 11:00pm WE,
Eastern)


Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

pennsylvania1954
 

Clark--Just to be crystal clear, PRR 504019 would not have had newer ends.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@..., "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:

Clark,

The 502000-505948 series of X29s was built in 1924-24. As built, the
car had flat plate ends, CRECo doors, a short upper door track, 2 door
stops, KD brakes and a vertical staff hand brake. In service the door
may have been replaced with Youngstown doors, and the door track and
stops may have been modified.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

<cepropst@...> 06/25/11 4:42 PM >>>
Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer
doors, ends?

Thanks,
Clark propst





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Re: Very interestin Shorpy photo

Bruce Smith
 

S hed <shed999@...> 06/25/11 6:51 PM >>>
http://www.shorpy.com/node/10514
Here are the interesting things (to me at least) about this photo:
3) the steam tractors on the Michigan Central 40' flat car (2000 to
2799 series; 493 cars in 1905)

And the Scotch marine boiler behind the steam tractors... which looks
nearly identical to those produced by ALCo during WWII.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: "Interesting Stock Cars"

George Simmons
 

--- In STMFC@..., "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:




www.shorpy.com/node/10695?size_original


Sure is interesting to see a photo of a ferry with stock cars plus cars with clerestory roofs. Must have been great fun!!


Bet the riders on the cars with the clerestory roofs enjoyed the smell.

George Simmons
Dry Prong, LA


Re: "Interesting Stock Cars"

spsalso
 

--- In STMFC@..., Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@...> wrote:

Howdy!

    Is there an image somewhere?

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy
Right here (I hope), Bob:

www.shorpy.com/node/10695?size_original


Sure is interesting to see a photo of a ferry with stock cars plus cars with clerestory roofs. Must have been great fun!!


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Very interestin Shorpy photo

S hed <shed999@...>
 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/10514

Here are the interesting things (to me at least) about this photo:
1) the car ferry
2) the PRR Union Lines box car (85001 to 87000 series; 2,000 cars in 1905)
3) the steam tractors on the Michigan Central 40' flat car (2000 to 2799 series; 493 cars in 1905)
4) the "A" and "B" ends on the two reefers
- National Car Line reefer (7000 to 9999 series)
- Merchants Despatch Transportation reefer (10583 to 11091 series; 454 cars in 1905)

Oh yeah that cool looking Cornplanter tank car. Wow. I looked up what CTL is in my 1905 ORERs and I could not find it. There is a CTL which is the Crescent Tank Line but they don't have a tank car with that number or that series. Any idea what company it is?

- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake WA


Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

Bruce Smith
 

Clark,

The 502000-505948 series of X29s was built in 1924-24. As built, the
car had flat plate ends, CRECo doors, a short upper door track, 2 door
stops, KD brakes and a vertical staff hand brake. In service the door
may have been replaced with Youngstown doors, and the door track and
stops may have been modified.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

<cepropst@q.com> 06/25/11 4:42 PM >>>
Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer
doors, ends?

Thanks,
Clark propst





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Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

Brian Carlson
 

I think what's on the website is available. Ted used to be on the list he
may comment. I have both sets they are nice.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



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Thanks a lot Brian! What you think the odds are of me grtting them if I
place an order?

Clark Propst


"Interesting Stock Cars"

Bob McCarthy
 

Howdy!

    Is there an image somewhere?

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy

--- On Sat, 6/25/11, S hed <shed999@...> wrote:

From: S hed <shed999@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] "Interesting Stock Cars"
To: stmfc@...
Date: Saturday, June 25, 2011, 7:28 PM


The car on the end "LLSTCo" is a stock car for the Lackawanna Live Stock Transportation Co. The LLST is part of Cold Blast Transportation which supplied cars for Schwarzschild & Sulzberger Co (later on as Sulzberger & Sons after 1910). S&S was one of the 5 largest meat packers in the US, along with Swift, Armour, Cudahy and Morris. In 1916 S&S became Wilson.

This photo is the very first photo of a LLST stock car. Very exciting.

The car is part of the 3100 to 3350 series.

- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake WA




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From: markolstyn@...
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:01:44 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] "Interesting Stock Cars"


 



Today's photo of the day on "Shorpy" <http//www.shorpy.com/node/10695?size_original> shows the car ferry "Detroit" crossing the Detroit river in 1905. The string of cars closest to the camera are all stockcars. Nice shot of Mather stock cars at the front of the line, but notice the last two cars. What is the purpose of the box on top the roofs of the last two stock cars?
Mark Olstyn




                         

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Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

MLW #7031H (formerly Accucals) was for a script-lettered 1937 AAR
New Haven box car. Some hobby shops around here still have MLW sets
in stock, or you might try a really well stocked shop like Des Plaines.

CDS probably makes the largest variety of NYC box car lettering. Many
different styles too.

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Saw NH 32204 a AAR 1937 car. Checked the Steam Freight Cars web site. There is a photo of a car from that series. I have an extra IMWX undec model. Are there decals available for that car?
How about the NYC 1937 cars?
Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer doors, ends?
Thanks,
Clark Propst


Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

Clark Propst
 

Thanks a lot Brian! What you think the odds are of me grtting them if I place an order?

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Clark:

NH decals http://www.speedwitch.com/Decals/d118.htm

NYC decals http://www.speedwitch.com/Decals/d107.htm





Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



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Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:41 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] AAR 1937 decal questions





Saw NH 32204 a AAR 1937 car. Checked the Steam Freight Cars web site. There
is a photo of a car from that series. I have an extra IMWX undec model. Are
there decals available for that car?

How about the NYC 1937 cars?

Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer
doors, ends?

Thanks,
Clark propst





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