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Re: "Interesting Stock Cars"

George Simmons
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:




www.shorpy.com/node/10695?size_original


Sure is interesting to see a photo of a ferry with stock cars plus cars with clerestory roofs. Must have been great fun!!


Bet the riders on the cars with the clerestory roofs enjoyed the smell.

George Simmons
Dry Prong, LA


Re: "Interesting Stock Cars"

spsalso
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@...> wrote:

Howdy!

    Is there an image somewhere?

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy
Right here (I hope), Bob:

www.shorpy.com/node/10695?size_original


Sure is interesting to see a photo of a ferry with stock cars plus cars with clerestory roofs. Must have been great fun!!


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Very interestin Shorpy photo

S hed <shed999@...>
 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/10514

Here are the interesting things (to me at least) about this photo:
1) the car ferry
2) the PRR Union Lines box car (85001 to 87000 series; 2,000 cars in 1905)
3) the steam tractors on the Michigan Central 40' flat car (2000 to 2799 series; 493 cars in 1905)
4) the "A" and "B" ends on the two reefers
- National Car Line reefer (7000 to 9999 series)
- Merchants Despatch Transportation reefer (10583 to 11091 series; 454 cars in 1905)

Oh yeah that cool looking Cornplanter tank car. Wow. I looked up what CTL is in my 1905 ORERs and I could not find it. There is a CTL which is the Crescent Tank Line but they don't have a tank car with that number or that series. Any idea what company it is?

- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake WA


Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

Bruce Smith
 

Clark,

The 502000-505948 series of X29s was built in 1924-24. As built, the
car had flat plate ends, CRECo doors, a short upper door track, 2 door
stops, KD brakes and a vertical staff hand brake. In service the door
may have been replaced with Youngstown doors, and the door track and
stops may have been modified.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

<cepropst@q.com> 06/25/11 4:42 PM >>>
Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer
doors, ends?

Thanks,
Clark propst





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Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

Brian Carlson
 

I think what's on the website is available. Ted used to be on the list he
may comment. I have both sets they are nice.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



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rockroll50401
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:06 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: AAR 1937 decal questions





Thanks a lot Brian! What you think the odds are of me grtting them if I
place an order?

Clark Propst


"Interesting Stock Cars"

Bob McCarthy
 

Howdy!

    Is there an image somewhere?

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy

--- On Sat, 6/25/11, S hed <shed999@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: S hed <shed999@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] "Interesting Stock Cars"
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 25, 2011, 7:28 PM


The car on the end "LLSTCo" is a stock car for the Lackawanna Live Stock Transportation Co. The LLST is part of Cold Blast Transportation which supplied cars for Schwarzschild & Sulzberger Co (later on as Sulzberger & Sons after 1910). S&S was one of the 5 largest meat packers in the US, along with Swift, Armour, Cudahy and Morris. In 1916 S&S became Wilson.

This photo is the very first photo of a LLST stock car. Very exciting.

The car is part of the 3100 to 3350 series.

- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake WA




To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: markolstyn@comcast.net
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:01:44 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] "Interesting Stock Cars"


 



Today's photo of the day on "Shorpy" <http//www.shorpy.com/node/10695?size_original> shows the car ferry "Detroit" crossing the Detroit river in 1905. The string of cars closest to the camera are all stockcars. Nice shot of Mather stock cars at the front of the line, but notice the last two cars. What is the purpose of the box on top the roofs of the last two stock cars?
Mark Olstyn




                         

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Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

MLW #7031H (formerly Accucals) was for a script-lettered 1937 AAR
New Haven box car. Some hobby shops around here still have MLW sets
in stock, or you might try a really well stocked shop like Des Plaines.

CDS probably makes the largest variety of NYC box car lettering. Many
different styles too.

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Saw NH 32204 a AAR 1937 car. Checked the Steam Freight Cars web site. There is a photo of a car from that series. I have an extra IMWX undec model. Are there decals available for that car?
How about the NYC 1937 cars?
Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer doors, ends?
Thanks,
Clark Propst


Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

Clark Propst
 

Thanks a lot Brian! What you think the odds are of me grtting them if I place an order?

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Clark:

NH decals http://www.speedwitch.com/Decals/d118.htm

NYC decals http://www.speedwitch.com/Decals/d107.htm





Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



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cepropst@...
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:41 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] AAR 1937 decal questions





Saw NH 32204 a AAR 1937 car. Checked the Steam Freight Cars web site. There
is a photo of a car from that series. I have an extra IMWX undec model. Are
there decals available for that car?

How about the NYC 1937 cars?

Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer
doors, ends?

Thanks,
Clark propst





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Re: AAR 1937 decal questions

Brian Carlson
 

Clark:

NH decals http://www.speedwitch.com/Decals/d118.htm

NYC decals http://www.speedwitch.com/Decals/d107.htm





Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
cepropst@q.com
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:41 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] AAR 1937 decal questions





Saw NH 32204 a AAR 1937 car. Checked the Steam Freight Cars web site. There
is a photo of a car from that series. I have an extra IMWX undec model. Are
there decals available for that car?

How about the NYC 1937 cars?

Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer
doors, ends?

Thanks,
Clark propst


AAR 1937 decal questions

Clark Propst
 

Saw NH 32204 a AAR 1937 car. Checked the Steam Freight Cars web site. There is a photo of a car from that series. I have an extra IMWX undec model. Are there decals available for that car?

How about the NYC 1937 cars?

Saw PRR 504019, a X29. Was that series 'standard' or did it have newer doors, ends?

Thanks,
Clark propst


Re: "Interesting Stock Cars"

S hed <shed999@...>
 

The car on the end "LLSTCo" is a stock car for the Lackawanna Live Stock Transportation Co. The LLST is part of Cold Blast Transportation which supplied cars for Schwarzschild & Sulzberger Co (later on as Sulzberger & Sons after 1910). S&S was one of the 5 largest meat packers in the US, along with Swift, Armour, Cudahy and Morris. In 1916 S&S became Wilson.

This photo is the very first photo of a LLST stock car. Very exciting.

The car is part of the 3100 to 3350 series.

- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake WA




To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: markolstyn@comcast.net
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:01:44 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] "Interesting Stock Cars"






Today's photo of the day on "Shorpy" <http//www.shorpy.com/node/10695?size_original> shows the car ferry "Detroit" crossing the Detroit river in 1905. The string of cars closest to the camera are all stockcars. Nice shot of Mather stock cars at the front of the line, but notice the last two cars. What is the purpose of the box on top the roofs of the last two stock cars?
Mark Olstyn


Re: "Interesting Stock Cars"

john.allyn@...
 

Hay rack most likely.  This was before there were laws requiring feeding and water stops (Every 8hours? Every 16 Hours? Can't remember) for livestock  in transit, so the animals were fed in the cars without offloading.

John B. Allyn

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From: "Mark" <markolstyn@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 11:01:44 AM
Subject: [STMFC] "Interesting Stock Cars"

 




Today's photo of the day on "Shorpy" <http//www.shorpy.com/node/10695?size_original> shows the car ferry "Detroit" crossing the Detroit river in 1905. The string of cars closest to the camera are all stockcars. Nice shot of Mather stock cars at the front of the line, but notice the last two cars. What is the purpose of the box on top the roofs of the last two stock cars?
Mark Olstyn


"Interesting Stock Cars"

MARK OLSTYN
 

Today's photo of the day on "Shorpy" <http//www.shorpy.com/node/10695?size_original> shows the car ferry "Detroit" crossing the Detroit river in 1905. The string of cars closest to the camera are all stockcars. Nice shot of Mather stock cars at the front of the line, but notice the last two cars. What is the purpose of the box on top the roofs of the last two stock cars?
Mark Olstyn


Re: OMI two dome tank car

cwilson@...
 

OMI 3230 does not appear in Brian Marsh's book "Overland Models the first 10 years" which covers the period 1976-1986. That plus the 1990 cover date of the magazine ad should narrow down the time frame. As to exactly when Arnt photographed the tank car and did the drawings, I cannot say. He was doing some drafting work for Overland (and other brass importers) before going to work full time for OMI. Arnt was a prolific draftsman as evidenced by the sheer volume of models produced by Overland during his tenure there. While most of his work was specific to company projects, he was known to draw things that he just found "interesting." And if they were interesting enough, Tom Marsh could decide to have the models produced.

This tank car could have been one of these special projects. The photo in the magazine ad is no doubt one that Arnt took when he did his field measurements so I would speculate that it was taken in the 1980's or perhaps late 1970's. As I wrote before, he was unsure about how many cars were built to this design and was not able to find photos of other examples of it. But it was "interesting" enough to catch his attention.

Craig Wilson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Any idea about when (nearest decade will do) Mr Gerritsen examined the car?

Point is: (1) The Overland ad gives a built date of 8/30. (2) Mr Cranstone states NIPX 6-8 appeared in the 7/32 ORER. Simplest interpretation: they were built for NIPX, and were available for interchange service at first. (3) There's no NIPX listing after that. (4) If Mr Gerritsen looked over the car decades later, and it still bore NIPX lettering, one suspects it was withdrawn from interchange in the mid-30s and stayed in-plant thereafter. (Numerous short-lines' listings state "Freight cars owned are not interchanged" or the like, without further specifics.)


Re: OMI two dome tank car

ron christensen
 

I moved to MIchigan in 1974 a tank car set on a piece of track no longer connected to a railroad at New Carlisle Indiana. This car was in a Northern Indiana Electric switch yard.
I think it might have had more than one dome. Too bad I didn't take a picture.
Ron Christensen


Re: ACL Phosphate car

rdietrichson
 

Bob,
The class of the car is U-4, which has the upper portion of the car in wood and the lower portion in steel. The discharge is accomplished through 6 gates on the longitudinal centerline of the car. The picture is a picture of the model car.
I would also be interested in the Kinsman car plans.
Rick




From: Bob McCarthy
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ACL Phosphate car



Howdy!

On which car are you working? There are several ACL phosphate cars. Have three in S KINSMAN kit and have the plans for the drop mechanism for those.

Bob McCarthy

--- On Fri, 6/24/11, rdietrichson <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com> wrote:

From: rdietrichson <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com>
Subject: [STMFC] ACL Phosphate car
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 8:13 PM



Hey all,

I'm trying to locate a picture of the referenced car from a CBCyc or an in service phot, that would hopefully show the discharge hopper details. I have the Ambroid plan and a photo of the finished Ambroid model, but have yet to find one of the real thing.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rick Dietrichson

Wilmington, NC

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Re: OMI two dome tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Craig! You've cleared up that mystery for the rest of us.

Was Arnt involved with any of the other Overland mystery tank cars?
I know the 8,000 gallon ACF cars have come up before (3133/3134),
the ACF 3-dome car (3132) and ACF 2-dome car (3131). I don't recall
anyone being able to identify a prototype for any of them. I'm pretty
sure OMI 3130, an ACF 1-dome 8k tank car, is just a standard Type 27
or something very much like that.

Overland did some nice 8k modernized GATC tank cars (3270/3271) and
I've seen photos of close prototypes, but I don't recall anyone identifying
a specific prototype known to have been followed to make the models.

Tim O'Connor

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Arnt Gerritsen and I discussed this car back when I was painting one for a friend's railroad. The prototype for the model was at a NIPSCo (Northern Indiana Public Service Co) plant (Michigan City Indiana as I recall) close to where Arnt lived. He got permission to photograph and measure it. He was uncertain as to its heritage and thought that it might have been built for a predecessor of the present utility. At the time he measured it for drawings it was mostly forgotten and unused, and probably had been for a long while. Were there other cars built to this design? He did not know but it made for some nice drawings and a nice looking model.
Craig Wilson


Re: Railroad Reporting Marks

Randy Williamson
 

Thanks Everyone.



At 04:17 PM 6/24/2011, you wrote:


High Point,Randleman, Ashboro & Southern.

Barry Bennett
Coventry, England.


In a message dated 24/06/2011 22:13:55 GMT Daylight Time,
<mailto:pennsy%40centurytel.net>pennsy@centurytel.net writes:

I am looking for the railroad with the reporting marks, HPRA&S. I know
about the HPT&D High Point, Thomasville & Denton. My 1953 ORER does not list
these reporting marks.

Thanks,

Randy



Dayna & Randy Williamson

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Re: OMI two dome tank car

al_brown03
 

Mr Wilson,

Any idea about when (nearest decade will do) Mr Gerritsen examined the car?

Point is: (1) The Overland ad gives a built date of 8/30. (2) Mr Cranstone states NIPX 6-8 appeared in the 7/32 ORER. Simplest interpretation: they were built for NIPX, and were available for interchange service at first. (3) There's no NIPX listing after that. (4) If Mr Gerritsen looked over the car decades later, and it still bore NIPX lettering, one suspects it was withdrawn from interchange in the mid-30s and stayed in-plant thereafter. (Numerous short-lines' listings state "Freight cars owned are not interchanged" or the like, without further specifics.)

Secondary point: I'm tempted to dig through the 1/43 ORER, looking for groups of three insulated 50-ton tank cars. Ideally they'd be described as compartmented, but that description isn't universal to say the least. (The GATX listing, for one, is infamously un-specific.) But if the cars sat at NIPX plants till (say) the 50s, that literature search is pointless.

Random points: (1) This sorta reminds me of the (in)famous Jones & Laughlin tanks, discussed at length on this group: a small number of cars, in restricted service, but modelled commercially. (2) The NIPX cars' design isn't all that strange. It would be really cool to find other examples, and I strongly suspect there are some. (3) The Standard Tank Car GATX 6000-gallon twin-dome tank, modelled by a beautiful Southern Car & Foundry kit, isn't particularly strange either; but AFAIK only a single example is known. More examples of *that* would be really cool to find also, and again I think it *isn't weird enough* for there not to be some. (4) I first joined the STMFC looking for info about another similar case. About 1950, Southern Fruit Distributors, in Orlando, acquired two 8000-gallon ARA Type II cars (30+ years old!), SFDX 101-102. Ya gotta model your hometown industry; but I've never found out anything about these cars.

Freight-car research, especially about tank cars, is fun but frustrating!

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cwilson@... wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Fritz Milhaupt" <fmilhaupt@> wrote:

This car was one of the ones I'd always meant to ask Arnt Gerritsen about, since he did most of the drafting work for Overland Models back then. Sadly, he passed away in March of this year.

-Fritz Milhaupt
Modeling Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society, Inc.
http://www.pmhistsoc.org
Arnt Gerritsen and I discussed this car back when I was painting one for a friend's railroad. The prototype for the model was at a NIPSCo (Northern Indiana Public Service Co) plant (Michigan City Indiana as I recall) close to where Arnt lived. He got permission to photograph and measure it. He was uncertain as to its heritage and thought that it might have been built for a predecessor of the present utility. At the time he measured it for drawings it was mostly forgotten and unused, and probably had been for a long while. Were there other cars built to this design? He did not know but it made for some nice drawings and a nice looking model.

And the model I painted? Arnt speculated that it rather looked like a GATX design so we found a gap in a GATX number series from the ORER. The model became a GATX car and is still running off miles to this day.

Craig Wilson


Re: OMI two dome tank car

cwilson@...
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Fritz Milhaupt" <fmilhaupt@...> wrote:

This car was one of the ones I'd always meant to ask Arnt Gerritsen about, since he did most of the drafting work for Overland Models back then. Sadly, he passed away in March of this year.

-Fritz Milhaupt
Modeling Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society, Inc.
http://www.pmhistsoc.org
Arnt Gerritsen and I discussed this car back when I was painting one for a friend's railroad. The prototype for the model was at a NIPSCo (Northern Indiana Public Service Co) plant (Michigan City Indiana as I recall) close to where Arnt lived. He got permission to photograph and measure it. He was uncertain as to its heritage and thought that it might have been built for a predecessor of the present utility. At the time he measured it for drawings it was mostly forgotten and unused, and probably had been for a long while. Were there other cars built to this design? He did not know but it made for some nice drawings and a nice looking model.

And the model I painted? Arnt speculated that it rather looked like a GATX design so we found a gap in a GATX number series from the ORER. The model became a GATX car and is still running off miles to this day.

Craig Wilson

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