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Re: Macon, Dublin and Savannah Reporting Marks?

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:23 PM, John Degnan wrote:

Does anyone know what the Macon, Dublin and Savannah Railroad's
reporting marks were?
John,
According to the ORER, MD&S.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: UTLX 1252

LBSingletary@...
 

Richard and All,
Thanks for the info and photo's. I think I've got enough now to proceed.

Thanks Again!

Lee

Lee Singletary
Louisville & Nashville Railroad Historical Society
Alabaster, Alabama
http://lee.rrpicturearchives.net/

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:48:22 -0700 Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@opendoor.com> writes:
On Jun 26, 2011, at 12:22 PM, LBSingletary@juno.com wrote:

I recently came across some pictures I took about 20 years ago of
this
three dome tank car. It has a built date of 12-35, capy 80,000,
lt
wt.
47,100.
I've looked through all the CBC's I have access too and have not
come up
with quite this same tank car. Do any of ya'll have any info on
this
car?
Unfortunately at the time I was not interested in building a model
of
this car so I didn't take any measurements. Now I want to build
it. If
I can find out tank diameter (6'?) and length I think I can figure
the
rest out.
Photo's that I took are at:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=69224

http://tinyurl.com/3wyvrs7

Thanks!

Lee
Lee, I'm late to the party here, having been too busy to check
e-mail
for several days, but I note that your query generated numerous
responses, most of them more or less ill-informed and some of them

outlandishly speculative. Partly, that's a consequence of the fact

that UTL's ORER entries are so uninformative as to be nearly
worthless, but there are other resources. In any event, the car was

not a 6,000 gal. three compartment car, as I have numerous photos of

X-3 6K cars and they all had larger diameter three course, not two

course, tanks. UTLX 1252 was shown in the 1952 UTL roster as a
1200-1399 series car of 4,000-5,000 gals. capacity with heater
pipes. I have two photos of cars from that series. One, from the

Rich Burg collection, shows a former UTLX car painted light gray and

with GRYX reporting marks for the John H, Grace Co. of Chicago, a
firm that leased a sizable fleet of mostly second hand tank cars.

The notation on that photo says the the car was at Detroit in 10/79

and is now in the Greenfield Village Museum collection in Michigan,

so if you can get to Michigan easily, you can go there and take as

many photographs and measurements of the car as your heart desires.

The second photo is a color slide from Lloyd Keyser of UTLX 1261 in

the '60s. This car appears to be in service - its coupled to a
Santa
Fe Bx-109 class Super Shock Control box car converted in 1963 from
an
Rr-82 class insulated box car. However, curiously, it appears to
have no reporting marks or number on the sides of the tank, only on

the ends and on the stub side sills of the underframe. Go figure.

On both photos, the legend on the domes reads "WHITE OIL" and
"FITTED
WITH HEATER."

If you want measurements without going to the Greenfield Museum,
it's
not difficult to get close approximations of them - certainly close

enough for model building - from the photos by starting with a known

dimension (i.e., 33" dia. wheels, 4'6" truck wheelbase) and working

from there.

I'm sending you scans of the photos I have off-list.

Richard Hendrickson
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Macon, Dublin and Savannah Reporting Marks?

John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
 

Does anyone know what the Macon, Dublin and Savannah Railroad's reporting marks were?


John Degnan
Scaler164@comcast.net
The Seaboard Air Line Information Collective and Photo Archive
www.trainweb.org/seaboard


Re: UTLX 1252

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Although I've been out of town a few days, I've been entertained to read this thread. Why people may have thought that nominal capacity would tell you tank car gallonage, I can't guess, but it cannot, any more than you can tell the cubic capacity of a box car by its nominal weight capacity. The only exception, of course, is that a full tank car of the intended commodity cannot weigh more than the gross weight on rails of which the car is capable, and that's determined by the journals of the car's trucks. So truck capacity sets an UPPER limit to the gallon capacity, but the tank may have substantially smaller capacity than the truck capability.
In other words, nominal capacity of 100,000 pounds usually tells you that the car has 50-ton trucks, and 80,000 pounds says 40- ton trucks. That's the most you can be sure of, for most tank cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Very interestin Shorpy photo

Cyril Durrenberger
 

The car in the photo has a wood underframe.  Tank cars built after 1904 had to have steel underframes.
 
Cyril Durrenberger

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From: SUVCWORR@aol.com <SUVCWORR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:27 PM


 



From Railway Age Vol 43 No 7 pg 226 (June, 1907)

Robert M Burns & Co. Chicago ... received orders from the Cornplanter Refining Co. for 24 tank cars.

This would lead me to believe that Cornplanter owned cars at least as late as 1907. This order may include the car in the photo. Need to locate the number series for this order.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: S hed <shed999@hotmail.com>
To: stmfc <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 5:31 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo

Cornplanter was not in my June 1900 ORER or in my March 1903 ORER but it was in
my March 1901 and May 1901 ORER. And the car number in the photo does not match
the 21 to 63 car series as listed in the 1901 ORERs. Very short lived car!!!! -
Steve Hedlund To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: SUVCWORR@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:07:21 -0400
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo

From Jan 1901 ORER

Cornplanter Tank Line cars number 21 - 63 Cornplanter Refining Company,

Warren, PA

Rich Orr

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S

hed

Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:52 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo

http://www.shorpy.com/node/10514

Here are the interesting things (to me at least) about this photo:

1) the car ferry

2) the PRR Union Lines box car (85001 to 87000 series; 2,000 cars in 1905)

3) the steam tractors on the Michigan Central 40' flat car (2000 to 2799

series; 493 cars in 1905)

4) the "A" and "B" ends on the two reefers

- National Car Line reefer (7000 to 9999 series)

- Merchants Despatch Transportation reefer (10583 to 11091 series; 454 cars

in 1905)

Oh yeah that cool looking Cornplanter tank car. Wow. I looked up what CTL is

in my 1905 ORERs and I could not find it. There is a CTL which is the

Crescent Tank Line but they don't have a tank car with that number or that

series. Any idea what company it is?

- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake WA

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Re: Coincidences...Pt. 2.1

Schuyler Larrabee
 

OK, this is an illegal post, because the time period involved is in the
not-yet-invented-or-happened-yet future. In this case, around 1990. I was
architect for a renovation of a metal fabricating plant in Watertown MA, in
which, supposedly, all the metal counters in all Howard Johnson's
restaurants were fabricated. There was a structural steel fabricator next
door, Barker Steel. They got deliveries in 65' gons, on roughly a weekly
basis. We had job meetings on a weekly basis. I lost count of the number
of times I saw the very same EL gon being spotted INSIDE the building next
door! I would say at least ten times, probably more. Clearly, this gon was
in more-or-less captive service shuttling between Bethlehem Steel in
Bethlehem PA, and Barker Steel in Watertown MA.



Nope. Never got a photo. Damn.



SGL



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stvvallee
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:42 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Coincidences...Pt. 2





Dear Group...

I few months ago, I posted a message about entitled "Coincidence"
about 2 freight cars with the same number spotted in the same train. Well, I
found another coincidence story in the March, 1945 issue of Railroad
Magazine. Hope you like it:

....Coincidence. C.L. Husted, of the Worcester Salt Co. traffic dept.,
Silver Springs, N.Y., reports that Illinois Central and Burlington boxcars,
both numbered 33710, were lined up side by side loading salt at his plant
last Armistice Day. That in itself is rare. But this one takes the cake:
Last August 5th an ordinary boxcar, Erie 70787, left Silver Springs loaded
with salt for Portland, Me., via the Erie, Delaware & Hudson, and Boston &
Maine. Twelve days later the same car left the same place with the same kind
of merchandise for the same customer over the identical route. Talk about a
royal flush in poker! ....

I don't know about the Group, but this almost sounds like someones model
railroad!!!

Your fellow Group member

Steve Vallee








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Re: UTLX 1252

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 6/27/2011 5:18 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Jon, "White Oil" is what many of us call mineral oil or baby oil.
What you put in your Coleman stove was white gas.
Right, well it was long ago and I was young then(grin)!

--
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For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Very interestin Shorpy photo

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

There is also this photo on the SEFC site:



http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/tank/crx9092main.html



KL



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
SUVCWORR@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 8:32 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo


Additional info.

Cornplanter Refining Co was formed in 1888 and sold to Ohio Cities Gas Co
(Columbus) 7 July 1917. At that time they had a capacity of 1000 barrels a
day and were considered to be one of the largest independent refineries in
the country.

Petroleum Gazette Vols. 22 -23 pg 30

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: S hed <shed999@hotmail.com <mailto:shed999%40hotmail.com> >
To: stmfc <stmfc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:stmfc%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 5:31 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo

Cornplanter was not in my June 1900 ORER or in my March 1903 ORER but it was
in
my March 1901 and May 1901 ORER. And the car number in the photo does not
match
the 21 to 63 car series as listed in the 1901 ORERs. Very short lived
car!!!! -
Steve Hedlund To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
From: SUVCWORR@aol.com <mailto:SUVCWORR%40aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:07:21 -0400
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo

From Jan 1901 ORER

Cornplanter Tank Line cars number 21 - 63 Cornplanter Refining Company,

Warren, PA

Rich Orr


Re: UTLX 1252

brianleppert@att.net
 

The 80,000 capacity is the nominal capacity, in pounds. This would indicate that this car is riding on 40-ton trucks (5x9 journals). The capacity, in gallons, would be stenciled on the tank ends.

UTLX #1252 is listed in the 1960 Tank Car Capacities as having a total of 4650 gallon capacity, and seems to be in a group of similar 3 dome cars, #1150 to 1443.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:

"Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...> 06/26/11 3:37 PM >>>
Sorry, Bruce but this car is much smaller in capacity. According to
UTLX
1952 listings it is 4600 gallons.
Steve,

No offense, but did you actually look at the pictures? There, on the
tank, is CLEARLY marked CAPY 80,000 - see:
(http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2606561)


Re: UTLX 1252

SUVCWORR@...
 

Cornplanter refined two white oils

X Water White Oil No, 2001 Specific gravity 47 - 48; 150 fire test; highest grade burning oil; water white in color

120 Water White Oil No 2004 specific gravity 48; 120 fire test; water white in color; sold only in stated not requiring 150 fire test

"The Oil Well Driller" Charles Whiteshot 1905 published by Charles Whiteshot pg 110

Rich Orr

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To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] UTLX 1252


On 6/27/2011 3:48 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
On both photos, the legend on the domes reads "WHITE OIL" and "FITTED
WITH HEATER."
In the olden days White Oil is what we used to buy for our Coleman
stoves. I doubt this needed heaters. Also as the car was 3 dome did
the heater/s just heat the end compartment? Or did they go through the
bulkheads?

--
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"Oil Car" lettering on UP tank cars

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Speaking of tank cars [ this must be tank car month ], does anyone know of an HO scale decal that includes "OIL CAR"...in Gothic font as applied to various UP tank cars? I am decaling a Challenger [ models ] brass 8K tank car, built by GATC in 1917. The letters "OIL CAR" were applied to the end of the tank.

Thanks

Mike Brock


Re: Very interestin Shorpy photo

SUVCWORR@...
 

Additional info.

Cornplanter Refining Co was formed in 1888 and sold to Ohio Cities Gas Co (Columbus) 7 July 1917. At that time they had a capacity of 1000 barrels a day and were considered to be one of the largest independent refineries in the country.

Petroleum Gazette Vols. 22 -23 pg 30

Rich Orr

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From: S hed <shed999@hotmail.com>
To: stmfc <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 5:31 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo



Cornplanter was not in my June 1900 ORER or in my March 1903 ORER but it was in
my March 1901 and May 1901 ORER. And the car number in the photo does not match
the 21 to 63 car series as listed in the 1901 ORERs. Very short lived car!!!! -
Steve Hedlund To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: SUVCWORR@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:07:21 -0400
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo




























From Jan 1901 ORER



Cornplanter Tank Line cars number 21 - 63 Cornplanter Refining Company,

Warren, PA



Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S

hed

Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:52 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo



http://www.shorpy.com/node/10514



Here are the interesting things (to me at least) about this photo:

1) the car ferry

2) the PRR Union Lines box car (85001 to 87000 series; 2,000 cars in 1905)

3) the steam tractors on the Michigan Central 40' flat car (2000 to 2799

series; 493 cars in 1905)

4) the "A" and "B" ends on the two reefers

- National Car Line reefer (7000 to 9999 series)

- Merchants Despatch Transportation reefer (10583 to 11091 series; 454 cars

in 1905)



Oh yeah that cool looking Cornplanter tank car. Wow. I looked up what CTL is

in my 1905 ORERs and I could not find it. There is a CTL which is the

Crescent Tank Line but they don't have a tank car with that number or that

series. Any idea what company it is?



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Re: Very interestin Shorpy photo

SUVCWORR@...
 

From Railway Age Vol 43 No 7 pg 226 (June, 1907)

Robert M Burns & Co. Chicago ... received orders from the Cornplanter Refining Co. for 24 tank cars.

This would lead me to believe that Cornplanter owned cars at least as late as 1907. This order may include the car in the photo. Need to locate the number series for this order.

Rich Orr

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From: S hed <shed999@hotmail.com>
To: stmfc <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 5:31 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo



Cornplanter was not in my June 1900 ORER or in my March 1903 ORER but it was in
my March 1901 and May 1901 ORER. And the car number in the photo does not match
the 21 to 63 car series as listed in the 1901 ORERs. Very short lived car!!!! -
Steve Hedlund To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: SUVCWORR@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:07:21 -0400
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo




























From Jan 1901 ORER



Cornplanter Tank Line cars number 21 - 63 Cornplanter Refining Company,

Warren, PA



Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S

hed

Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:52 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo



http://www.shorpy.com/node/10514



Here are the interesting things (to me at least) about this photo:

1) the car ferry

2) the PRR Union Lines box car (85001 to 87000 series; 2,000 cars in 1905)

3) the steam tractors on the Michigan Central 40' flat car (2000 to 2799

series; 493 cars in 1905)

4) the "A" and "B" ends on the two reefers

- National Car Line reefer (7000 to 9999 series)

- Merchants Despatch Transportation reefer (10583 to 11091 series; 454 cars

in 1905)



Oh yeah that cool looking Cornplanter tank car. Wow. I looked up what CTL is

in my 1905 ORERs and I could not find it. There is a CTL which is the

Crescent Tank Line but they don't have a tank car with that number or that

series. Any idea what company it is?



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Re: UTLX 1252

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Jon Miller wrote:

On 6/27/2011 3:48 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
On both photos, the legend on the domes reads "WHITE OIL" and "FITTED
WITH HEATER."
In the olden days White Oil is what we used to buy for our Coleman
stoves. I doubt this needed heaters. Also as the car was 3 dome did
the heater/s just heat the end compartment? Or did they go through
the
bulkheads?
Jon, "White Oil" is what many of us call mineral oil or baby oil.
What you put in your Coleman stove was white gas.

The 1952 UTL Roster shows UTLX 1252 with a capacity of approximately
4,600 gals. and a type M heater with 2" pipes in compartments A and C
(the end compartments) only.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: OMI two dome tank car, and others (UNCLASSIFIED)

Scott Pitzer
 

This situation is like someone printing and selling baseball cards, but not telling you who the players are, what year they played, or for what team.
Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
I made a point of sitting down with the Overland brass cars,
measuring them, and looking at hundreds of tank car photos to find (close)
matches.


Re: UTLX 1252

Jim Hayes
 

I used white GAS in my Coleman.

Jim

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Jon Miller <atsf@izap.com> wrote:

**


On 6/27/2011 3:48 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
On both photos, the legend on the domes reads "WHITE OIL" and "FITTED
WITH HEATER."
In the olden days White Oil is what we used to buy for our Coleman
stoves. I doubt this needed heaters. Also as the car was 3 dome did
the heater/s just heat the end compartment? Or did they go through the
bulkheads?

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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Re: UTLX 1252

Charles Hladik
 

Jon,
I bought white gas, but don't know about white oil.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 6/27/2011 7:24:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
atsf@izap.com writes:




On 6/27/2011 3:48 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
On both photos, the legend on the domes reads "WHITE OIL" and "FITTED
WITH HEATER."
In the olden days White Oil is what we used to buy for our Coleman
stoves. I doubt this needed heaters. Also as the car was 3 dome did
the heater/s just heat the end compartment? Or did they go through the
bulkheads?

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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Re: UTLX 1252

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 6/27/2011 3:48 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
On both photos, the legend on the domes reads "WHITE OIL" and "FITTED
WITH HEATER."
In the olden days White Oil is what we used to buy for our Coleman
stoves. I doubt this needed heaters. Also as the car was 3 dome did
the heater/s just heat the end compartment? Or did they go through the
bulkheads?

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: UTLX 1252

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 26, 2011, at 12:22 PM, LBSingletary@juno.com wrote:

I recently came across some pictures I took about 20 years ago of this
three dome tank car. It has a built date of 12-35, capy 80,000, lt
wt.
47,100.
I've looked through all the CBC's I have access too and have not
come up
with quite this same tank car. Do any of ya'll have any info on this
car?
Unfortunately at the time I was not interested in building a model of
this car so I didn't take any measurements. Now I want to build
it. If
I can find out tank diameter (6'?) and length I think I can figure the
rest out.
Photo's that I took are at:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=69224

http://tinyurl.com/3wyvrs7

Thanks!

Lee
Lee, I'm late to the party here, having been too busy to check e-mail
for several days, but I note that your query generated numerous
responses, most of them more or less ill-informed and some of them
outlandishly speculative. Partly, that's a consequence of the fact
that UTL's ORER entries are so uninformative as to be nearly
worthless, but there are other resources. In any event, the car was
not a 6,000 gal. three compartment car, as I have numerous photos of
X-3 6K cars and they all had larger diameter three course, not two
course, tanks. UTLX 1252 was shown in the 1952 UTL roster as a
1200-1399 series car of 4,000-5,000 gals. capacity with heater
pipes. I have two photos of cars from that series. One, from the
Rich Burg collection, shows a former UTLX car painted light gray and
with GRYX reporting marks for the John H, Grace Co. of Chicago, a
firm that leased a sizable fleet of mostly second hand tank cars.
The notation on that photo says the the car was at Detroit in 10/79
and is now in the Greenfield Village Museum collection in Michigan,
so if you can get to Michigan easily, you can go there and take as
many photographs and measurements of the car as your heart desires.

The second photo is a color slide from Lloyd Keyser of UTLX 1261 in
the '60s. This car appears to be in service - its coupled to a Santa
Fe Bx-109 class Super Shock Control box car converted in 1963 from an
Rr-82 class insulated box car. However, curiously, it appears to
have no reporting marks or number on the sides of the tank, only on
the ends and on the stub side sills of the underframe. Go figure.

On both photos, the legend on the domes reads "WHITE OIL" and "FITTED
WITH HEATER."

If you want measurements without going to the Greenfield Museum, it's
not difficult to get close approximations of them - certainly close
enough for model building - from the photos by starting with a known
dimension (i.e., 33" dia. wheels, 4'6" truck wheelbase) and working
from there.

I'm sending you scans of the photos I have off-list.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Very interestin Shorpy photo

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Many private owner companies were not listed in the early ORER's and often they were listed for only a year or two, but continued to be in business much longer.  Tank cars seem to be the ones that are most often absent.  I have records of many companies who had cars, but there is not record of them in any ORER that I have been able to locate. 
 
Cyril Durrenberger

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From: S hed <shed999@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 3:29 PM



Cornplanter was not in my June 1900 ORER or in my March 1903 ORER but it was in my March 1901 and May 1901 ORER. And the car number in the photo does not match the 21 to 63 car series as listed in the 1901 ORERs. Very short lived car!!!! - Steve Hedlund To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: SUVCWORR@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:07:21 -0400
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo






















 


   
     
     
      From Jan 1901 ORER



Cornplanter Tank Line cars number 21 - 63  Cornplanter Refining Company,

Warren, PA



Rich Orr



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Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:52 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Very interestin Shorpy photo



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Here are the interesting things (to me at least) about this photo:

1) the car ferry

2) the PRR Union Lines box car (85001 to 87000 series; 2,000 cars in 1905)

3) the steam tractors on the Michigan Central 40' flat car (2000 to 2799

series; 493 cars in 1905)

4) the "A" and "B" ends on the two reefers

- National Car Line reefer (7000 to 9999 series)

- Merchants Despatch Transportation reefer (10583 to 11091 series; 454 cars

in 1905)



Oh yeah that cool looking Cornplanter tank car. Wow. I looked up what CTL is

in my 1905 ORERs and I could not find it. There is a CTL which is the

Crescent Tank Line but they don't have a tank car with that number or that

series. Any idea what company it is?



- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake WA                          



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