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Re: Shorpy color rolling stock 1943
Dave Lawler
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Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943
Larry Kline
This photo and many other Delano WWII color photos are available, at higher resolution, at the Library of Congress (LOC) web site
The link for this photo is: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1992000843/PP/ To find it I googled "fsa owi delano bensenville" which took me to the LOC web site. Then I searched for "delano bensenville" A search at the LOC web site for "jack delano railroad color" returns 236 results. I looked at a few and they are all available for downloading as high res tiffs. The ones I looked at are 100-140 Mbyte files. Larry Kline Pittsburgh, PA Dave Lawler wrote: Good day all, I don't know if this has been reviewed before but, it's new to me and thought many in this group would appreciate it.
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Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943
Charlie Vlk
Cooincidently, a member of our Wednesday night railroad group just sent me a map showing the final realigned route of the C&NW "New Line" over Bensenville Yard and the rearrangements of Irving Park Road and the runways which now parallel the north edge of the yard. Anyone interested in a low-res jpeg of it please contact me off-list as it is off-topic.
Thanks, Charlie Vlk
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Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943
Charlie Vlk
Dennis-
I wasn't trying to say that the farmers field immediately north of the yard became O'Hare... although it is today with the incursion of the airport into Bensenville.... Charlie Vlk
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Re: Shorpy color rolling stock 1943
Richard Hendrickson
On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:41 AM, dvdlwlr wrote:
In the third row from forward, slightly left of center, there is aThat's a 36' Fowler single sheathed box car owned by the Nashville, Chattanooga, and St. Louis. The legend in the herald reads "The Dixie Line," Westerfield produced kits for these cars. This is only one of many Jack Delano color shots in the L of C collection. Almost all are invaluable resources for World War II modelers. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Shorpy color rolling stock 1943
Richard Townsend
I think that is the NC&StL box mentioned earlier. Is that a pre-PS-1 Pullman Standard (Southern?) welded box car (dare I say "PS-0"?) next to it? I also see three CB&Q XM-32 box cars: one in the back row to the right, one in front of the express reefer also just mentioned, and one a couple of rows in front of that.
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Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon
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From: dvdlwlr <davelawler@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:44 am Subject: [STMFC] Shorpy color rolling stock 1943 In the third row from forward, slightly left of center, there is a short (possibly 36') SS box car with the doors open. The car appears to have a black/white herald but, I can't make out the lettering. Can anyone identify this car? I model autumn 1944 and it is very hard to find color photos for that time period. I felt this photo could be helpful with the added bonus of some great weathering. Dave Lawler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943
Benjamin Hom
Steve Hedlund wrote:
"It's too bad no one is willing to identify the cars in the photos to what they are." I'm not unwilling. It's simply the fact that (a) you never requested IDs and (b) it's not at the top of my priority list. Ben Hom
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Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943
Michael Aufderheide
Steve,
The 40 ft MILW gons are the Westerfield models. The 50 foot cars you see in many photos and would be a great car to have a modeled. A quick look at the 1954 ORER still shows 3200 composite 50ft gons on the MILW roster. Mike Aufderheide From: S hed <shed999@...> To: stmfc@... Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943 It's too bad no one is willing to identify the cars in the photos to what they are. Besides the obvious fact that there is a VGN hopper, a Reading box car, a MILW box car, a PRR box car, a MP box car and a NADX refrigerator car. And a beautiful looking MILW box car that is in the background (7xxxxx series) and it is in front of two Sinclair tank cars. Also no one has mentioned the string of Milwaukee Road coal gondolas behind the front row. Especially that unusually long gondola that is second from the left. - Steve H.To: STMFC@... From: destorzek@... Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 04:24:15 +0000 Subject: [STMFC] Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943 --- In STMFC@..., "cvlk" <cvlk@...> wrote: Ooops! I see it is the Milwaukee Road's Bensenville Yard. If the view is to the north then yes, O'Hare is now there.... I think you can see hangers below the horizon which would be the Douglas aircraft plant which was the nucelus for the military field that gave birth to O'Hare. Charlie Vlk Actually not... O'Hare never came south of Irving Park Road, although that road was relocated around the south edge of the property that did become O'Hare. That's not the road that shows by the farmer's barn... If you look in the mid distance in the photo, you'll see the straight line of the top of a railroad embankment. That's the C&NW freight line running north from Proviso Yard; the old freight line, before it was relocated further west to the edge of the airport. Just about smack dab in the middle of the frame is a dark area on that embankment, which is the bridge over the old alignment of Irving Park Road, the bridge that became Chicago's own "bridge to nowhere" for a generation or two as both the railroad above it and the road that went under it had been relocated, and the bridge stood like a forlorn sentinel at the western edge of the airport, visible from Irving Park where it curved north back to its original alignment. That means we are west of the C&NW, west of the MILW RIP track complex, and the land north of the tracks developed as an industrial park after WWII, until it was condemned for airport expansion in the last year or two. But I do agree with Charlie that that is Orchard Field in the distance. Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943
Charlie Vlk
Steve-
With the ORERs available on the web and all the other resources available anyone that is interested in more detail on identifying the cars should be able to do it with not too much effort.... especially if one has the need for the information. Charlie Vlk \> It's too bad no one is willing to identify the cars in the photos to what they are.
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Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943
mopacfirst
And the express reefer, seemingly painted green, between two freight reefers with at least one hatch open (look behind the Burlington box).
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Ron Merrick
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Shorpy color rolling stock 1943
Dave Lawler
In the third row from forward, slightly left of center, there is a short (possibly 36') SS box car with the doors open. The car appears to have a black/white herald but, I can't make out the lettering. Can anyone identify this car?
I model autumn 1944 and it is very hard to find color photos for that time period. I felt this photo could be helpful with the added bonus of some great weathering. Dave Lawler
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Re: Contests (was: NMRA Sacramento)
On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:26 PM, almabranch wrote:
I thought he was a cardiologist. For the longest time I conflated him with Steve Polkinghorn, the dentist, having never met either of them. -- Nolan Hinshaw, native Californian since 1944 "Gib einem Mann einen Fisch und er wird für einen Tag zu essen. Teach einen Mann zu fischen und er wird in einem Boot sitzen den ganzen Tag und trinken Bier."
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Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943
Marty McGuirk
Wonderful shot, especially useful for weathering the roofs of steam era house cars.
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Marty McGuirk
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Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943
S hed <shed999@...>
It's too bad no one is willing to identify the cars in the photos to what they are. Besides the obvious fact that there is a VGN hopper, a Reading box car, a MILW box car, a PRR box car, a MP box car and a NADX refrigerator car. And a beautiful looking MILW box car that is in the background (7xxxxx series) and it is in front of two Sinclair tank cars. Also no one has mentioned the string of Milwaukee Road coal gondolas behind the front row. Especially that unusually long gondola that is second from the left.
- Steve H.To: STMFC@... From: destorzek@... Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 04:24:15 +0000 Subject: [STMFC] Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943 --- In STMFC@..., "cvlk" <cvlk@...> wrote: Ooops! I see it is the Milwaukee Road's Bensenville Yard. If the view is to the north then yes, O'Hare is now there.... I think you can see hangers below the horizon which would be the Douglas aircraft plant which was the nucelus for the military field that gave birth to O'Hare. Charlie Vlk Actually not... O'Hare never came south of Irving Park Road, although that road was relocated around the south edge of the property that did become O'Hare. That's not the road that shows by the farmer's barn... If you look in the mid distance in the photo, you'll see the straight line of the top of a railroad embankment. That's the C&NW freight line running north from Proviso Yard; the old freight line, before it was relocated further west to the edge of the airport. Just about smack dab in the middle of the frame is a dark area on that embankment, which is the bridge over the old alignment of Irving Park Road, the bridge that became Chicago's own "bridge to nowhere" for a generation or two as both the railroad above it and the road that went under it had been relocated, and the bridge stood like a forlorn sentinel at the western edge of the airport, visible from Irving Park where it curved north back to its original alignment. That means we are west of the C&NW, west of the MILW RIP track complex, and the land north of the tracks developed as an industrial park after WWII, until it was condemned for airport expansion in the last year or two. But I do agree with Charlie that that is Orchard Field in the distance. Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943
Steve Vallee
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W-O-W!!! What a great find. It has many weathering ideas. Many, many thanks for sharing this photo with the Group! Steve Vallee
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From: Dave Lawler <davelawler@...> Subject: [STMFC] Shorpy color Rollong Stock 1943 To: stmfc@... Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 9:15 PM Good day all, I don’t know if this has been reviewed before but, it’s new to me and I thought many in this group would appreciate it. Best regards, Dave Lawler Avon Lake, Ohio http://www.shorpy.com/node/6969?size=_original [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: LCL
I note that this steep decline was during the advent and general growth of
TOFC. Do the sources you quote refer only to the freight car loading of LCL. Barry Bennett Barry, TOFC was miniscule in the US in the 1950's, especially when compared to LCL, and was limited to very few traffic lanes. So your idea that LCL traffic moved to TOFC would only account for a tiny fraction (less than 10%) of the old volume. The SP Overnight service in some traffic lanes (LA-SF) shifted briefly to TOFC, but mostly SP and other roads aggressively went after truckload business, and this is where TOFC was ultimately very successful. LCL "fell off a cliff" by 1960 -- the critical mass of volume was lost, while infrastructure costs also grew -- a double whammy. Railroads would have quit the LCL business much sooner IF THEY WERE ALLOWED -- but as "common carriers" the ICC forced them to provide the service until long after highway trucks proved themselves to be better and more efficient, not to mention less prone to damage and theft. Tim O'Connor
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Re: LCL c. 1952
Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
Hi Tony,
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I started to work for the GN in July 1968. Sometime between that date and the BN Merger in 1970, I toured the GN's LCL facility in Fargo, ND. There were about 10 to 12 cars spotted outside the doors and plenty of LCL in the building. I am not sure when the GN/BN gave up LCL traffic, but in that time frame they still carried quite a bit of LCL freight. Joel Holmes
The railroads were still battling for LCL traffic in the 1950's."Battling" doesn't mean there was much of it, only that it was
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Re: Requesting ideas/suggestions for corner grabs in Plano roofwalks/ends.
jerryglow2
A couple more suggestions. Terry Wigmann custom ground one tip of a pair of chain nosed pliers to a small diameter to form eyelets smaller than ones from DA. Another method I use is take a strand of soft copper wire like from electrical cord and fold it over the grab and twist the ends until it forms a tight eye over the grab.
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Jerry Glow
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Re: Requesting ideas/suggestions for corner grabs in Plano roofwalks/ends.
davesnyder59
Thank you Steve, Tim and Pierre. Actually I posted that message on July 15th and already came up with the solution that Steve and Tim suggested. I could not get .012 wire to work and used .010 instead. Don't know what is up with Yahoo though as I have posted messages over a week ago on other lists and still haven't seen them yet.
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Dave Snyder Louisville, Ky.
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Re: LCL
Barrybennetttoo@...
Tim
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I note that this steep decline was during the advent and general growth of TOFC. Do the sources you quote refer only to the freight car loading of LCL. It would be reasonable to surmise that much of that 'lost' LCL traffic was in fact being carried as TOFC trailers so the RR's were effectively still carrying a proportion of the lost LCL traffic, but in a different medium. Is there any source of information as to how much of that was carried in RR owned trailers and how much of it in private owner trailers. Did the RR's report LCL loading via RR owned trailers as a separate entity to the LCL in freight cars. If so, is there any known source of data that would allow the two to be totalled to give an overall figure for LCL hauled by RR's during the same period. Barry Bennett Coventry, England
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timboconnor@... writes: LCL % total carloadings -- (data from Tim Gilbert, 10/12/2000) 1940 21.2% of 36.4 million (7.7 million) ( Note: 1940 was a depression year ) 1950 11.3% of 38.2 million (4.3 million) 1959 6.8% of 31.0 million (2.1 million) Note the absolute change -- 5.6 million fewer carloads of LCL in 1959 compared to 1940. This is a decline of 73% in 19 years, even in the face of a US economy that was booming and over 100% larger in 1959 compared to 1940. From this LCL presentation, % carloadings in 1921 was 28% -- and rose as a % of total traffic to 32% in the deep depression year of 1932 -- Here is the link _http://ssandifer.com/Lay/Howard/Const/LCL/LCL.ppt_ (http://ssandifer.com/Lay/Howard/Const/LCL/LCL.ppt) Tim O'Connor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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