Date   

Re: Photo of CGW gon

Thomas Baker
 

Clark,

Thanks for replying. I am working on an S-scale version of the series of CGW gons in question and am pretty much following the article that someone else wrote, but I suspect you had something to do with. So I saw the Wheeler photo which I may have sold you some time beofre the article was published. I also gave a few photos to Ernie Valentine. I think that photo dates from a time when the lettering had pretty well worn off.

The photo in Gene Green's book does indeed have the lettering, but it, too, shows a gon after many years of service with the lettering barely visible.

If you have a photo that shows a nice clear shot of the reporting marks and lettering and--if Bob would not object--I would appreciate seeing a photo copy or whatever can be worked out. I have some decals for said gone from Jerry Glow, but the decals are not quite right. For example, the decal has the extended railroad Roman reporting maks characteristic of many box cars, flat cars, open hoppers, and some covered hoppers. The gons in question did not have that style of lettering, nor is the corporate name in liettering like that found on CGW box cars last seen on box cars in that order of PS-1's from Pullman in 1951.

I'm just trying to get it right. Thanks for replying.

Tom
________________________________________
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [STMFC@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of cepropst@q.com [cepropst@q.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:11 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Photo of CGW gon

There's a Sidney Wheeler snapshot of one in this article.

http://www.cnwhs.org/articles/1196862758

There's a color photo in Gene Green's Morning Sun book.
I also have a nice 8x10 I bought from Bob's photos.

Clark Propst


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Baker <bakert@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a photo of 1001-1300 built by Pullman in 1952? >
Tom



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: Lehigh Valley Box Cars in 60000-60499 series picture

Dave Nelson
 

If anyone needs a good photo of the LV 75000 series left opening door you'd
be hard pressed to find one better than this:
<<http://www.flickr.com/photos/steampoweredbricks/5518653437/>> Look at
Original Photo for supersized image.

Dave Nelson


Re: USRA gondola in 1950's

mopacfirst
 

You're right, that's iron pipe. I make my living from pipe and didn't even look closely at it. Those are 18 footers, but it was also available in 5 and 10 foot joints. In the fifties, it would have still been cast gray iron, since the switch to ductile iron was still in its infancy. Given the B'ham connection, I bet a lot of it that went west and north went in those Frisco cars. And, there could very well have been several carloads for a project order, moving together.

Steel pipe, then and now, wouldn't have fit on a 40' car if it was double random length. Would have to have been a 50' or, maybe if the loaders were careful, a 45'.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Frank Greene <frgreene290@...> wrote:

On 7/25/2011 2:21 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Ron

Nope. That is a load of ductile (iron) pipe, <snip>>
--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


car builders cyclopedia

martincooper@...
 

Hi: For those intrested the DVD is avalablefom vintage literature. Mart y Cooper


Re: Car Builders Cyclopedia questions

Dave Nelson
 

If you search the archives for "FS" and "Cyclopedia" you'll find many posts
I've for a just announced offering of a CBC/CBD from this or that used
bookstore. You'll see many dates and a range of prices. AFAIK prices have
been drifting lower over the years, something that is very evident on eBay
but not so much from used book stores.

Hope this helps.

Dave Nelson


Re: carbuilders cyclopedia

RICH CHAPIN
 

do you have the link? please send

Rich Chapin


Re: Photo of CGW gon

Clark Propst
 

There's a Sidney Wheeler snapshot of one in this article.

http://www.cnwhs.org/articles/1196862758

There's a color photo in Gene Green's Morning Sun book.
I also have a nice 8x10 I bought from Bob's photos.

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Baker <bakert@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a photo of 1001-1300 built by Pullman in 1952? >
Tom


Re: Photo of CGW gon

Thomas Baker
 

Does anyone have a photo of 1001-1300 built by Pullman in 1952? I have two or three photos, but none show the gons in the early years with the corporate name painted on. My photos show the cars in their later years when the company went super Spartan with just the reporting marks and the relevant data in the appropriate places. If someone could help, your efforts would be appreciated.

Tom


Re: Car Builders Cyclopedia questions

tchenoweth@...
 

I have about 20 CBC for sale. If you write to me @ _tchenoweth@aol.com_
(mailto:tchenoweth@aol.com) I will send you a list of available titles. Tom
Chenoweth


Re: Car Builders Cyclopedia questions

Larry Kline
 

Cab Builders Cyclopedias appear frequently on ebay. I just posted a pdf file in the files section listing sales during 2007-2009. The file name is *CBCyc ebay prices.pdf* As you can see, the prices and condition vary widely. If you're patient you can find CBCycs at reasonable prices. The ebay listings almost always have photos that let you judge the condition. I bought a 1949-51 Cyclopedia in good condition for $102.02 including shipping.

Train Shed Cyclopedias are available from Railroad Treasures
http://railroadtreasures.com/Railroad%20Collectibles.htm
and also on ebay at prices well below $100,

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Scott McDonald wrote:
I would like to expand the research portion of hobby hopefully to move on to scratch building cars. I see a lot of references to the Car Builders Cyclopedia's as a good source of information.

Now the questions!
Where they made every year through the 40's?
Is there a "must have" year during the 40's?
Are the Train Shed Cyclopedia's a good substitute? The seem to pretty expensive some are over a $100.00.


Re: Champ Decals for Union Pacific G-50 Gondola and modeling ?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jason Sanford wrote:
I am wanting to build a composite side gondola rebuilt with steel sides using the Detail Associates kit. Not sure what class this represents? Couple of questions.
Besides replacing the wood sheathing with styrene to represent steel, what other mods need to be made to the car? Are the ends correct? I am good on trucks based on the archives.
Jason, the DA kit represents a 1940s-era-design Enterprise gondola. UP bought a class of these in 1943, Class G-50-11, which were originally composite. They did replace the wood sides with steel, but the ends were original Dreadnaught ends, which are not in the DA kit, so this kit is not a very good choice unless you want to apply some original-style ends. A few years later, 1951 I think, UP bought more cars like this, but all steel, Class G-50-13. The DA kit for an all- steel GS gon would model these very well.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Champ Decals for Union Pacific G-50 Gondola and modeling ?

PARK <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I am wanting to build a composite side gondola rebuilt with steel sides using the Detail Associates kit. Not sure what class this represents? Couple of questions.

Does anyone know where I can find the Champ decals? Anyone have a few sets they would part with?

Besides replacing the wood sheathing with styrene to represent steel, what other mods need to be made to the car? Are the ends correct? I am good on trucks based on the archives.

I have searched the archives and see people mention the project but no real details on what needs to be done to the car.


Thanks,

Jason Sanford


Flat car planks

Clark Propst
 

Could someone please advice as to the size of the planks used for decking on the GSC bulkheads?

Thank you,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Union Pacific G-50-7 Gondola Retirement Date?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:45 PM, PARK wrote:

Does anyone know when the Union Pacific retired their G-50-7
gondolas? I know they were built arounf 1920 or so I am curious
how long they lasted. Thanks.

Jason Sanford
Jason, most of the G-50-7s were still in service as late as 1955.
Their numbers began to decline sharply after that, however, with
fewer than 800 in 1958 and about 500 in 1962, but at least a few
lasted through the late '60s.

Richard Hendrickson


carbuilders cyclopedia

martincooper@...
 

Hi group: A DVD of the 1946 cyclopedia is available from  a company in canada for $20. It is much easier to use than that huge book and pages can be printed. Marty Cooper


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: USRA gondola in 1950's

Frank Greene
 

On 7/25/2011 2:21 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Ron

Nope. That is a load of ductile (iron) pipe, the kind that is used for
drinking water and sewage pipes. It's used all over the country, but I
don't have a list of manufacturing sites.

In the Birmingham District, the Frisco connected, via subsidiary Birmingham Belt RR to US Pipe & Foundry in North Birmingham and Alabama Cast Iron Pipe in Finley, and via CofG to McWane Cast Iron Pipe in East Birmingham.

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: Car Builders Cyclopedia questions

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Scott.
Any of the Car Builders Cyclopedias you can buy under $200.00 are a
bargain.
There are some that were copied onto CD but are very hard to use sitting in
front of a computer.
Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Scott
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:50 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Car Builders Cyclopedia questions

I would like to expand the research portion of hobby hopefully to move on to
scratch building cars. I see a lot of references to the Car Builders
Cyclopedia's as a good source of information.

Now the questions!
Where they made every year through the 40's?
Is there a "must have" year during the 40's?
Are the Train Shed Cyclopedia's a good substitute? The seem to pretty
expensive some are over a $100.00.

Thanks,
Scott McDonald





------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: USRA gondola in 1950's

Charles Hladik
 

Also Griffin Pipe, formerly Clay-Morgan in Lynchburg, VA.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 7/25/2011 4:02:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
srrfan1401@gmail.com writes:

Amen to that Tom. Much of that pipe was made in the southeast especially
in
Alabama. Clow, US Pipe, Clamorgan(spelling?), Charlotte Pipe were a few I
remember from my sewer plant building days in Charlotte. There was cast
iron and ductile which was lighter weight. The pipe ends came with
mechanical joint, flanged and a compression joint. The MJ fittings had a
compression ring but still had a few bolts as well and were the most
popular. We only used flanged fittings in the digester buildings and that
was a smaller diameter say 4 to 10 inches.
I have gone on line and gotten the dimensions of the pipe and fittings but
don't have the energy to build the ends.
There is a great picture on a cover of Southern Railway employee magazine
Ties (from Tom Despats Southern Railfan website. He has most of the Ties
scanned) that shows a SR gon being loaded with this pipe. I have attached
it for all to see.
Fenton Wells

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Tim O'Connor
<timboconnor@comcast.net>wrote:

**


Ron

Nope. That is a load of ductile (iron) pipe, the kind that is used for
drinking water and sewage pipes. It's used all over the country, but I
don't have a list of manufacturing sites. You can tell by the thick walls
of the pipe and the characteristic flanged ends. It is those flanges that
are time consuming to model -- this is a "detail part" I wish someone
like Life Like or Bachmann or someone like that would mass produce.

Gas and oil transmission pipe is steel, thin-walled, usually larger in
diameter and always much longer -- nowadays shipped on 89 ft flats, and
usually seen in multiple-carload lots.

Tim O'Connor

Next question - anyone know what the origin of these loads was? I have to
guess
that the destination was one of the many transmission pipelines
(cross-country pipelines)
being built during those years.
Ron Merrick




--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@gmail.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: USRA gondola in 1950's

rwitt_2000
 

O Fenton Wells wrote:
<snip>

There is a great picture on a cover of Southern Railway employee
magazine
Ties (from Tom Despats Southern Railfan website. He has most of the
Ties
scanned) that shows a SR gon being loaded with this pipe. I have
attached
it for all to see.
The link for the issues from 1960-1969 is:
http://southern.railfan.net/ties/60_index.html

The "Ties" issue is the May 1961 one.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Lehigh Valley Box Cars in 60000-60499 series picture

al_brown03
 

The pic in Archer's book shows the door opening to the right.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Joel

The "wrong way" door box cars were in the 75xxx and 78xxx series
as far as I know. I've seen published photos of those cars in RMC
and MM, and I have a couple scans.

Tim O'Connor



At 7/25/2011 12:08 PM Monday, you wrote:
Hi Tim,

That is the photo I am questioning. It is my understanding that most or
all wood LV box cars had doors opening to the left instead of the right.
Sunshine has them opening to the right. I am trying to confirm which way
they open. Thank you for your reply.

Joel


These are the only pictures I've ever seen of those cars.
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun37c.pdf

Tim O'Connor

84261 - 84280 of 186164