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Re: Pacific Car and Foundry Casting Logo/Trademark?

brianleppert@att.net
 

Kurt, I think it is a p-in-circle.

The Western Railway Museum at Rio Vista, CA, has a pair of PC&F Andrews-style 70-ton trucks that I photographed years ago. Looking at my snap-shot print, I cannot find a foundry mark on the side frame, but the cast journal box covers do have circle with a P inside mark, and also "P C & F CO" lettering.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

I'm looking for info on the foundry logo/trademark used by Pacific Car and
Foundry. (I think it might be a P-in-circle.) Does anyone have a photo of
a part (truck frame? door fitting? maybe a locomotive part?) know to have
been cast by PC&F showing the cast-in foundry markings?



Thanks,

KL


Re: DuPont tank car decals

Bill Welch
 

Perhaps someone has mentioned this already but a photo of DUPX 2656 is in the Newton Gregg Cyclodpedia reprint #12.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Glow <jerryglow@...> wrote:

For those who have ordered the tank bodies or are otherwise building a
DuPont tank car per the old Mainline Modeler Mark Federson article, I
have decals for it that have many improvements and corrections to the
old Champ set to make it specific to this project.

--
Jerry Glow
The Villages FL
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/


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Re: Modified 1937 AAR Boxcars

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Ed

Clark

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

Clark,
The 10'-4" IH Erie 82000-83199/90000-90499 series cars and D&H
17775-17799, all built by AC&F from 10-45 to 8-47, having 4/4 Improved
Dreadnaught Ends (top corrugation shorter than the others) had 14'-10"
height measured from the rail to the top of the running board. Other
box cars with ends having short top corrugations, IC and D&RGW,
measured 14'-11". The similar P&WV 1200-1299 cars with 10'-4" IH are
listed in the ORER as 14'-3", which I don't believe is correct. Most
other cars having 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends typically with IH of
10'-6", including CB&Q and all Canadian cars with the shorter top
corrugation, were listed as either 15' or 15'-1". Thus, the Erie cars
were actually shorter in height by two or three inches.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: Modified 1937 AAR Boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:24 PM, cepropst@q.com wrote:

Brian, I'm going from memory here, cause I no longer own the car nor
have looked at my photo lately.

I made a model of an Erie 10'4" car. 82xx sound right? The top
rolling pin style end stamping was not as long as the others on the
car. I used the IM "Canadian" box car which has this type of end.

As others have said there probably isn't any real height difference.

Clark Propst
Clark,
The 10'-4" IH Erie 82000-83199/90000-90499 series cars and D&H
17775-17799, all built by AC&F from 10-45 to 8-47, having 4/4 Improved
Dreadnaught Ends (top corrugation shorter than the others) had 14'-10"
height measured from the rail to the top of the running board. Other
box cars with ends having short top corrugations, IC and D&RGW,
measured 14'-11". The similar P&WV 1200-1299 cars with 10'-4" IH are
listed in the ORER as 14'-3", which I don't believe is correct. Most
other cars having 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends typically with IH of
10'-6", including CB&Q and all Canadian cars with the shorter top
corrugation, were listed as either 15' or 15'-1". Thus, the Erie cars
were actually shorter in height by two or three inches.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: ACF and other Builders Photos

Tim Meyer
 

Hi Ed

Thanks for the information.

Tim Meyer


Re: Another Sunshine update

charles slater
 

Sunshine has not gotten anything from Ted at Speedwitch. I worked on some of the patterns for these cars and others.
Charlie Slater




To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: brianleppert@att.net
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:32:58 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Another Sunshine update








Included in Martin's "Naperville Introductions" flyers are a Pere Marquette single-sheathed box car and a couple of Wabash auto cars--all that have previously been done as kits by Speedwitch.

Has Sunshine acquired some or all of the Speedwitch line, or are these entirely new efforts?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

I received a CD from sunshine today so -

There is a better quality Naperville Introductions page available.


Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com





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Re: Retaining valves for freight cars

Jack Burgess
 

<Thanks, Chuck, I used to order direct back in the early 90's when they
<had
<all the passenger details so $30.00 was no problem. Now I'm not sure I
<need
<that much freight car brake stuff.
<I'll check it out.
<Fenton Wells

Fenton...
Some other parts that I order at the same time include:

31803 - Brake ratchet and pawl, beam mount (for vertical brake rods
3350 - Upper brake staff brackets (again for vertical brake rods, includes
pawl and mounts on the end of the car)
39156 - Air hose brackets to fit Hi-Tech Details rubber air hoses
32110 - Brass tank car stanchions


Jack Burgess
Newark, CA


Re: ACF and other Builders Photos

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 14, 2011, at 8:19 AM, fltenwheeler wrote:

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia always has great pictures. But do to the
printing process they cannot be enlarged to look at details. Can these
photos be purchased? The sources are listed for the photos. I have
been able to purchase photos from the Library and Archives Canada
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/copies/005010-5022-e.html and for
Standard Steel Car Company builders photographs. I have misplaced the
contact information, and Al's ACF photo CD.

What other photo collections are there? ACF, Smithsonian, Bob's. How
can they be contacted?
Tim,
The ACF builder's photograph collection was donated by the company to
the St. Louis Mercantile Library (Barriger National Railroad Library)
in the mid-1990s. High-resolution scans can be purchased, but they
aren't inexpensive. This is a private library in which an annual
membership can be purchased for $45.00. Image cost for members is
$40.00 each and non-member price is $55.00 each. The price includes
rights for a one-time publication instead of having to request
permission and pay a publication fee as is the case of some
institutions. Gregg Ames, who has been the library's curator for many
years, recently retired so I do not presently have a contact point. Use
this link: http://www.umsl.edu/barriger/about/contact.html

The National Archives of Canada offers numerous ACF builder's photos as
well as builder's photos and some in-service photos that came from
Andrew Merrilees, who obtained the vast photo collection from
Simmons-Boardman (publishers of the Car Builders' Cyclopedia and
Railway Age). The cost for a high-resolution scan is around
$15.00-$20.00 U.S. Dollars (price varies due to the current
U.S./Canadian exchange rate). This collection contains photos from all
builders, but the existing photos catalogued is pretty much limited to
no later than the late-1940s. Consequently, there are few builder's
photos from the 1950s in which the location of the photograph has been
documented. I'm using a 10-year old Word file obtained from John
Riddell, who made a presentation at the Naperville RPM. John offered a
disk of photos that was compiled at the time by Gay Lepke. For photos
that have been purchased either as wet prints or scans, use the "PA"
number or "e" number when placing an order. Use of these numbers will
help expedite locating the images for quicker processing. It takes much
longer if there is no PA or e number.

The Smithsonian Institution has builder's photos from Pullman-Standard
in what's called the Haskell and Barker Car Company Collection. These
photos are mainly from the 1930s to 1956. The collection isn't
comprehensive, but the collection contains many views of hundreds of
freight cars built by P-S. Contact the Smithsonian Museum of American
History for obtaining a catalogue and current prices. Like the
Mercantile Library, prices are not inexpensive.

http://siarchives.si.edu/research/main_ref_photo.html

Standard Steel Car Co. and a relatively small sampling of Pressed Steel
Car Co. builder's photos are available from Keith Retterer of Marietta,
GA.

There are numerous other libraries, institutions, and some railroad
historical societies with railroad photograph collections that sell
images for a fee. Included are the Milwaukee Public Library (CMStP&P),
Denver Public Library (Otto Perry and others), and the California State
Railroad Museum (among others, Tony T. and Richard H. have used this
collection extensively). There are many others.

In service photos can be purchased from a number of individuals that
have negative collections. These include Bob Liljestrand of Bob's
Photo, J. Michael Gruber of Mainline Photos, Richard Burg, Arnold
Menke, Jay Williams, John La Rue, and others. Selected photos from the
Charles E. Winters collection (George Sisk photographer) are available
from Jay Williams and others. The current owner of these negatives,
Louis Marre, has a loan agreement to permit printing and selling these
images.

I hope this is of help. Please contact me off-list if you wish to
discuss further.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Retaining valves for freight cars

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks, Chuck, I used to order direct back in the early 90's when they had
all the passenger details so $30.00 was no problem. Now I'm not sure I need
that much freight car brake stuff.
I'll check it out.
Fenton Wells

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM, <RUTLANDRS@aol.com> wrote:

**


Fenton,
You might find that your LHS also has to place a minimum order and
therefore it may take a while to get your parts. As I recall the shop had
to
order $20.00, but that was the same as an individual had to order about 6
years ago.
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 8/13/2011 7:47:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
srrfan1401@gmail.com writes:

Thanks Jack, That sounds like a good case for ordering through my local
hobby shop.
Fenton Wells
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Jack Burgess
<jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com>wrote:

**


While PSC has a website, it doesn't show an of their parts. They also
have
a
minimum order of $30.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

<
<Thanks Rich, I will check those out.
<Fenton


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3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@gmail.com



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ACF and other Builders Photos

Tim Meyer
 

Hi All

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia always has great pictures. But do to the printing process they cannot be enlarged to look at details. Can these photos be purchased? The sources are listed for the photos. I have been able to purchase photos from the Library and Archives Canada http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/copies/005010-5022-e.html and for Standard Steel Car Company builders photographs. I have misplaced the contact information, and Al's ACF photo CD.

What other photo collections are there? ACF, Smithsonian, Bob's. How can they be contacted?

Thanks

Tim


Re: Retaining valves for freight cars

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

The PSC valves are the best (as accurately -as always- pointed out to me some years ago by Mont Switzer). Purchase them in sufficient numbers so that you do not have to go back to the well more than once every couple of years or more. I drill them through with #80, insert wire "piping" -0.008" or 0.010"- to use as a "handle" (thanks to Tim O'Connor), secure with ACC, and then use a tiny drop of Barge Cement to first hold in place, and then securely cement the indexing pin on the back of the valve into a prepared hole on the car end.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Okoboji, Iowa


Re: Another Sunshine update

Dennis Williams
 

Brian.
  I would have to say new efforts.  Ted's were all one piece bodies and Sunshine should be flat kits.  I need 1 or 2 of the Wabash cars.
Dennis Williams/Owner
www.resinbuilders4u.com 

From: brian <brianleppert@att.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:32 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Another Sunshine update


 


Included in Martin's "Naperville Introductions" flyers are a Pere Marquette single-sheathed box car and a couple of Wabash auto cars--all that have previously been done as kits by Speedwitch.

Has Sunshine acquired some or all of the Speedwitch line, or are these entirely new efforts?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

I received a CD from sunshine today so -

There is a better quality Naperville Introductions page available.


Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com



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Re: NKP box car

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Brian, I've already set the car on your excellent trucks.
Clark propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brian" <brianleppert@...> wrote:



Clark,

Tahoe Model Works offers an HO scale Double Truss truck (TMW-107 and TMW-207) that is perfect for your NKP box car, even matching the spring spacing.

Anyone wishing more information about this truck, or even the entire line of Tahoe Model Works HO freight car and caboose trucks, can contact me OFF-LIST at

brianleppert@...

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Modified 1937 AAR Boxcars

Clark Propst
 

Brian, I'm going from memory here, cause I no longer own the car nor have looked at my photo lately.

I made a model of an Erie 10'4" car. 82xx sound right? The top rolling pin style end stamping was not as long as the others on the car. I used the IM "Canadian" box car which has this type of end.

As others have said there probably isn't any real height difference.

Clark Propst


Re: Another Sunshine update

brianleppert@att.net
 

Included in Martin's "Naperville Introductions" flyers are a Pere Marquette single-sheathed box car and a couple of Wabash auto cars--all that have previously been done as kits by Speedwitch.

Has Sunshine acquired some or all of the Speedwitch line, or are these entirely new efforts?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

I received a CD from sunshine today so -

There is a better quality Naperville Introductions page available.


Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Pacific Car and Foundry Casting Logo/Trademark?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I'm looking for info on the foundry logo/trademark used by Pacific Car and
Foundry. (I think it might be a P-in-circle.) Does anyone have a photo of
a part (truck frame? door fitting? maybe a locomotive part?) know to have
been cast by PC&F showing the cast-in foundry markings?



Thanks,

KL


Re: Retaining valves for freight cars

Jared Harper
 

They want to sell their catalogs.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

While PSC has a website, it doesn't show an of their parts. They also have a
minimum order of $30.


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


<
<Thanks Rich, I will check those out.
<Fenton


Re: Retaining valves for freight cars

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Rich.
Fenton

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Rich C <rhcdmc@yahoo.com> wrote:

**


Walthers and the bigger on-line stores carry them. I know all too well
dealing with PSC direct. I never need $30 worth of stuff from them at one
time!

Rich Christie

--- On Sat, 8/13/11, Jack Burgess <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com> wrote:

From: Jack Burgess <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Retaining valves for freight cars
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 5:40 PM




While PSC has a website, it doesn't show an of their parts. They also have
a
minimum order of $30.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

<
<Thanks Rich, I will check those out.
<Fenton

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Re: Retaining valves for freight cars

Rich C
 

Walthers and the bigger on-line stores carry them. I know all too well dealing with PSC direct. I never need $30 worth of stuff from them at one time!
 
Rich Christie

--- On Sat, 8/13/11, Jack Burgess <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com> wrote:


From: Jack Burgess <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Retaining valves for freight cars
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 5:40 PM


 



While PSC has a website, it doesn't show an of their parts. They also have a
minimum order of $30.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

<
<Thanks Rich, I will check those out.
<Fenton








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Re: Retaining valves for freight cars

Charles Hladik
 

Fenton,
You might find that your LHS also has to place a minimum order and
therefore it may take a while to get your parts. As I recall the shop had to
order $20.00, but that was the same as an individual had to order about 6
years ago.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 8/13/2011 7:47:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
srrfan1401@gmail.com writes:

Thanks Jack, That sounds like a good case for ordering through my local
hobby shop.
Fenton Wells
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Jack Burgess
<jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com>wrote:

**


While PSC has a website, it doesn't show an of their parts. They also
have
a
minimum order of $30.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

<
<Thanks Rich, I will check those out.
<Fenton




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3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@gmail.com


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