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Re: Huntsville Arsenal SS Boxcar

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Todd Horton wrote:

Richard, It seems like they went to a lot of effort with lettering
and dimensional data if the cars never traveled off line. Todd

Full data as required by the interchange rules would have been
required to get the car from the point where it was rebuilt to the
Huntsville arsenal. After that, there is no evidence that the car
was, or could have been, used in interchange service. Many military
ammunition depots had small fleets of box cars to transport material
from one location to another on-site; I have photos of several other
similar cars, usually older and obsolete in size and construction.
However, those cars were not listed in the ORERs and could not be
interchanged.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Flat car model

Jim Hayes
 

Didn't this start out as a M&StL flatcar project that morphed into an MP
project?
The M&StL version is fine with me.

Jim

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:00 AM, <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

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As of right now there's a glitch. I took Frank Hodina's word that these
cars were all alike. The WP and MP cars and M&StL as built had narrow decks,
meaning only as wide as the sides. The drawings Chad used (I supplied) were
for the M&StL cars which were modified with a deck the width of the stake
pockets. So there are brackets along the top of the sides added for support.
Also it appears from my [extremely] limited photos that the MP cars had a
different stake pocket casting.

Chad would need to make another master for the MP and WP cars. I haven't
heard if he will do that yet.

Stay tuned....

Clark Propst


--- In STMFC@..., Jon Miller <atsf@...> wrote:

Will this kit do the M&StL (built '31) or are they different. Also
are decals available? This may have been stated and I missed it.

--
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For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: Huntsville Arsenal SS Boxcar

Todd Horton
 

Richard, It seems like they went to a lot of effort with lettering and dimensional data if the cars never traveled off line. Todd


From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Huntsville Arsenal SS Boxcar


 
On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:38 AM, Todd Horton wrote:

Do the ORER's say how long these cars lasted?
No, because the cars were used on site only and were never in
interchange.

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: Flat car model

Clark Propst
 

As of right now there's a glitch. I took Frank Hodina's word that these cars were all alike. The WP and MP cars and M&StL as built had narrow decks, meaning only as wide as the sides. The drawings Chad used (I supplied) were for the M&StL cars which were modified with a deck the width of the stake pockets. So there are brackets along the top of the sides added for support. Also it appears from my [extremely] limited photos that the MP cars had a different stake pocket casting.

Chad would need to make another master for the MP and WP cars. I haven't heard if he will do that yet.

Stay tuned....

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Jon Miller <atsf@...> wrote:

Will this kit do the M&StL (built '31) or are they different. Also
are decals available? This may have been stated and I missed it.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



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Re: IRC Santa Fe Caswell Gondolas

Benjamin Hom
 

Bruce Fielder asked:
"Would these cars ever make it to the east coast?"

Richard Hendrickson replied:
"In addition to the photo at Harrisburg that Andy Sperandeo cited,
there's a photo in my book on Santa Fe open top cars showing one at
Washington, D.C. in 4/48, and I've been informed that a conductor's
time book on the Rutland in the '50s documented one in New England
loaded with potash. They wouldn't have been common on the east
coast, but since the Santa Fe owned more than 10,000 of them, the
chances that one would turn up there from time to time were pretty good."

ATSF 85484 was listed as an empty in Rutland Train 9 on 11 Jul 1950 (from a
Premo Collection shfting list) which documents this car on the O&LC in upstate
New York.  I haven't identified the car class, but the car series is listed in
the July 1950 ORER as a 40 ft composite gon, AAR car class GRA.


Ben Hom


Re: Huntsville Arsenal SS Boxcar

Todd Horton
 

Bruce, I did leave out the BI reweight date, sorry about that. It looks to me that given the data on the car that it must have traveled off line, at least once anyway.  I would be curious how long this car lasted in service and where it may have traveled. Todd


From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Huntsville Arsenal SS Boxcar


 
Todd Horton asked:
"I have a photo of Huntsville Arsenal boxcar #302. Does anyone have any
information on these cars? I assume they were purchased second hand. I would
like to know the original owner and how long they lasted. Here's the dimensional

data off the car sides. IL 35-9 IW 9-3 IH 8-5 CU FT 2793 Built 8-23 CAPY
60000 LD LMT 63700 LT WT 39300 .
Todd,

Now that the photo is up, I note that you left out the reweigh of B.I. 4-42

The only B.I. I know is Blue Island yard, Illinois... very interesting... If that is the case, that might indicate that the conversion occurred at Blue Island. Given that the car has full interchange markings, I wonder what service it was in?

As for modeling, since these were poultry car conversions, why not start there <VBG> Ye Olde Huff n Puff has HO kits (http://www.yeoldehuffnpuff.com/HOFreight.HTM) that might be a starting place.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Re: 48' Straight-side Mill Gondola

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:45 PM, Justin Kahn wrote:
I don't have many of the old Max Gray/USHobbies #401 48' mill
gondolas with drop ends (mostly the more-common prototype 52'
fishbelly #402's),
but I finally got around to improving one and have exhausted my
standard references for prototype, so I throw myself on the mercy
of the list.
I am not asking for exhaustive research, but perhaps someone
familiar with them on a favorite road could point me in the right
direction.
Jace, most of us on this list are in HO scale and don't have any idea
what the Max Gray model looks like. If you could post a photo or two
in the list archives, we might be better able to help.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: IRC Santa Fe Caswell Gondolas

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:44 AM, fielderbruce wrote:
Would these cars ever make it to the east coast?
In addition to the photo at Harrisburg that Andy Sperandeo cited,
there's a photo in my book on Santa Fe open top cars showing one at
Washington, D.C. in 4/48, and I've been informed that a conductor's
time book on the Rutland in the '50s documented one in New England
loaded with potash. They wouldn't have been common on the east
coast, but since the Santa Fe owned more than 10,000 of them, the
chances that one would turn up there from time to time were pretty good.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: RR's with Refrigerator Car & Protective Service Contracts with the FGE/WFE/BRE System

mt19a <LarrynLynnHanlon@...>
 

Hi Greg,

interesting insight; it's always more complex than it appears from the outside, isn't it?

A PRR-PC traffic planning guy once told me why the Pennsy would route limestone for Beth Steel via the circuitous route they used from Milroy PA, rather than the straight shot to Enola, Northumberland, and Mt. Carmel: "It could take me 3 days to get cars from the eastbound to the westbound yard there. Yards are designed for flow-through traffic, not for reversing direction."

One small point which does not otherwise detract from your narrative: the WP-GN handoff was at Bieber CA, roughly 90 miles south of K Falls. With the development of runthrough agreements, in the BN era it was not uncommon to see WP power in K Falls and further north, and BN predecessor units in Oroville and Stockton.

Thanks,

Larry Hanlon.
Bend, OR

--- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote:


Let me see if I can explain this correctly...

To reinforce this every specialty car built and in service has/had a level of revenue built into the tariff to cover the empty reverse routing. A car need not have a revenue haul for the return trip and this is why these cars, and refrigerator cars in particular, were guarded so closely. This is not to say that the "Company" (in reference to FGE/BREX.WFEX) weren't reloaded but why take the chance of leaving a load in a warehouse i.e. packing house (like Berries) without a car. As I was once reminded, "what good is a rate without a car?" I have always been reminded, and it is as true today as it was then, that all perishables demand the highest rates because of their demand on the their most timely service and the demands they create on operations.

Let me give you an example of car agreements that I shared with Bill and was explained to me from a UP rep that cut his teeth (and recently retired) in the Tri-Cities area working out of the Hermiston, OR area. He used the example of a produce warehouse wanting to bring Navel Oranges from Escondido, CA to his online warehouse in the Twin Cities at a closed GN facility. First and foremost he would have to go to marketing to work out the rates and arrive at equitable "divisions" with the Santa Fe and the WP Folks who would in turn not want their cars in this service as they would loose control of the empty... . As a marketing representative working for the GN he would have to go to the car management group and request WFEX (i.e. Company cars) cars to be routed into the the Santa Fe either as empties in the LA Basin or hauled in empty (which he said was the kiss of death for a program). Then the cars were moved to the Santa Fe/Sunkist packing house to be loaded. The car would be routed through the "Inland Passage" Santa FE to Stockton to the WP to K-Falls to the GN. If all worked well then the service would continue but if not the program would "expire" almost immediately. Provided that cars were applied empty from the Santa Fe in the LA Basin timely and then moved effortlessly to destination it would look good on his revenue report and he was a hero otherwise... 3^) Timely and effortlessly was the clue. He told me if there was a harvest that required the empties to be pulled an reverse home road then the program was a dud... He had similar examples working for the UP and with PFE with Apples as well as other fruit from Eastern Washington.

Greg Martin




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From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 17, 2011 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: RR's with Refrigerator Car & Protective Service Contracts with the FGE/WFE/BRE System




On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Al Kresse wrote:
It seems to me that just on the C&O Rwy you had beef, pork and beer
heading southeast and veggies/fruits heading northwest (over
simplified). Could they ship fruit or veggies in empty meat packers
reefers. Gene Huddleston mentioned seeing empty, uncleaned, smelly
water melon ventilator boxes coming back south through Russell.
Somebody was spending a lot of money shipping empty cars around.
Was there a major effort to utilize these cars going "back home"?
Anyone in the business I talked to said that produce and meat
reefers were NOT, repeat NOT, interchangeable, for a host of reasons
including cross-contamination. Empties homeward become vital when
growers need cars to ship the crops, whether or not cargoes might be
available for the reverse movement.
What Tony says was equally true with regard to SFRD cars. Produce from the midwest and southwest was occasionally shipped westward in SFRD reefers, but such backhauls were very much the exception rather than the rule. At the height of the shipping seasons, all of the refrigerator car operators wanted their cars back pronto, and having them routed and loaded for backhaul cargoes delayed their return for several days at a minimum. With the exception of a very few cars that were in assigned service in the '50s, the Santa Fe owned no meat reefers, and meat was NEVER loaded in other SFRD cars. As for
the meat reefers owned or leased by the various packing houses (Swift, Armour, Cudahy, etc.), those almost always went back empty, as their meat rails, floor racks, etc. rendered them unusable for produce shipments, aside from the cross-contamination issue. Despite the frequent undocumented speculation on this list regarding traffic patterns, the use of refrigerator cars and similar specialized cars for the cargos they were designed and equipped to carry was vastly more important to their owners than the cost of having them returned empty.

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: Huntsville Arsenal SS Boxcar

Bruce Smith
 

Todd Horton asked:
"I have a photo of Huntsville Arsenal boxcar #302. Does anyone have any
information on these cars? I assume they were purchased second hand. I would
like to know the original owner and how long they lasted. Here's the dimensional

data off the car sides. IL 35-9 IW 9-3 IH 8-5 CU FT 2793 Built 8-23 CAPY
60000 LD LMT 63700 LT WT 39300 .
Todd,

Now that the photo is up, I note that you left out the reweigh of B.I. 4-42

The only B.I. I know is Blue Island yard, Illinois... very interesting... If that is the case, that might indicate that the conversion occurred at Blue Island. Given that the car has full interchange markings, I wonder what service it was in?

As for modeling, since these were poultry car conversions, why not start there <VBG> Ye Olde Huff n Puff has HO kits (http://www.yeoldehuffnpuff.com/HOFreight.HTM) that might be a starting place.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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Re: Huntsville Arsenal SS Boxcar

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:38 AM, Todd Horton wrote:

Do the ORER's say how long these cars lasted?
No, because the cars were used on site only and were never in
interchange.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: RR's with Refrigerator Car & Protective Service Contracts with the FGE/WFE/BRE System

Bill Welch
 

To underscore Greg's very cogent comment, among the correspondence I have from the USRA to the various Railroad men involved in the deliberations over whether to purchase the assets of the Armour owned Fruit Growers Express there was one letter in which the writer, a railroad man himself, cautioned the executives against being seduced by the possible revenue from back-haulage the new FGE could generate because it would ultimately undermine their business of transporting produce.

It was hard enough corralling their cars without them meandering around loaded with whatever.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote:


Let me see if I can explain this correctly...

To reinforce this every specialty car built and in service has/had a level of revenue built into the tariff to cover the empty reverse routing. A car need not have a revenue haul for the return trip and this is why these cars, and refrigerator cars in particular, were guarded so closely. This is not to say that the "Company" (in reference to FGE/BREX.WFEX) weren't reloaded but why take the chance of leaving a load in a warehouse i.e. packing house (like Berries) without a car. As I was once reminded, "what good is a rate without a car?" I have always been reminded, and it is as true today as it was then, that all perishables demand the highest rates because of their demand on the their most timely service and the demands they create on operations.

Let me give you an example of car agreements that I shared with Bill and was explained to me from a UP rep that cut his teeth (and recently retired) in the Tri-Cities area working out of the Hermiston, OR area. He used the example of a produce warehouse wanting to bring Navel Oranges from Escondido, CA to his online warehouse in the Twin Cities at a closed GN facility. First and foremost he would have to go to marketing to work out the rates and arrive at equitable "divisions" with the Santa Fe and the WP Folks who would in turn not want their cars in this service as they would loose control of the empty... . As a marketing representative working for the GN he would have to go to the car management group and request WFEX (i.e. Company cars) cars to be routed into the the Santa Fe either as empties in the LA Basin or hauled in empty (which he said was the kiss of death for a program). Then the cars were moved to the Santa Fe/Sunkist packing house to be loaded. The car would be routed through the "Inland Passage" Santa FE to Stockton to the WP to K-Falls to the GN. If all worked well then the service would continue but if not the program would "expire" almost immediately. Provided that cars were applied empty from the Santa Fe in the LA Basin timely and then moved effortlessly to destination it would look good on his revenue report and he was a hero otherwise... 3^) Timely and effortlessly was the clue. He told me if there was a harvest that required the empties to be pulled an reverse home road then the program was a dud... He had similar examples working for the UP and with PFE with Apples as well as other fruit from Eastern Washington.

Greg Martin




-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 17, 2011 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: RR's with Refrigerator Car & Protective Service Contracts with the FGE/WFE/BRE System




On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Al Kresse wrote:
It seems to me that just on the C&O Rwy you had beef, pork and beer
heading southeast and veggies/fruits heading northwest (over
simplified). Could they ship fruit or veggies in empty meat packers
reefers. Gene Huddleston mentioned seeing empty, uncleaned, smelly
water melon ventilator boxes coming back south through Russell.
Somebody was spending a lot of money shipping empty cars around.
Was there a major effort to utilize these cars going "back home"?
Anyone in the business I talked to said that produce and meat
reefers were NOT, repeat NOT, interchangeable, for a host of reasons
including cross-contamination. Empties homeward become vital when
growers need cars to ship the crops, whether or not cargoes might be
available for the reverse movement.
What Tony says was equally true with regard to SFRD cars. Produce from the midwest and southwest was occasionally shipped westward in SFRD reefers, but such backhauls were very much the exception rather than the rule. At the height of the shipping seasons, all of the refrigerator car operators wanted their cars back pronto, and having them routed and loaded for backhaul cargoes delayed their return for several days at a minimum. With the exception of a very few cars that were in assigned service in the '50s, the Santa Fe owned no meat reefers, and meat was NEVER loaded in other SFRD cars. As for
the meat reefers owned or leased by the various packing houses (Swift, Armour, Cudahy, etc.), those almost always went back empty, as their meat rails, floor racks, etc. rendered them unusable for produce shipments, aside from the cross-contamination issue. Despite the frequent undocumented speculation on this list regarding traffic patterns, the use of refrigerator cars and similar specialized cars for the cargos they were designed and equipped to carry was vastly more important to their owners than the cost of having them returned empty.

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: PRR NC Cabooses

Bruce Smith
 

On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Justin Kahn wrote:
I recently acquired a very nice Car Works NC bobber in O scale and wonder how late these were used, and which divisions, say, after WWII, if
in fact, they were used that late.

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.
Jace,

While some PRR bobbers lasted into the late 1950s (e.g. there were 4 ND class bobbers on the 1957 roster), the NC class disappeared well before that. I'm still chasing the data, but it seems likely that the last NC was off the roster by the mid to late 1930s. There was an excellent Keystone article on the bobber style cabins many years ago that describes their history. Additionally, the car diagram and a photo are on Rob Schoenberg's site at: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=nc.gif&sel=cbn&sz=sm&fr=

Bobbers that remained on the PRR roster after about 1940 were assigned either to yard duty, or to branches with very light rail, such as the Octoraro branch.

The current project on the PPRPro projects list is PRR wood cabin cars, so feel free to bring that NC over there and see where it goes (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRRPro/)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Flat car model

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Will this kit do the M&StL (built '31) or are they different. Also
are decals available? This may have been stated and I missed it.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
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Member SFRH&MS


NEFF RPM 10/1/11

bnpmodeler
 

Greetings all, pardon the multiple postings as we announce the:

Northeastern Fallen Flags
Prototype Modelers Meet

9AM – 6 PM, October 1, 2011
Ted Blum 4-H Center
310 Milltown Road
Bridgewater, NJ 08807
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Admission is $20.00 in advance / $25.00 at the door
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The fourth annual Northeast Fallen Flags Prototype Modelers Meet will take place on Saturday, October 1, 2011, at the Ted Blum 4-H Center, 310 Milltown Road, Bridgewater, NJ, 08807. This spacious venue, just off of NJ Route 202, is also easily accessible from Interstates 78 and 287. Admission is $20.00 in advance ($25.00 at the door) and includes a hot Italian Lunch buffet at 1 PM. Also, a 4-H club will be selling a Continental Breakfast of Coffee, Tea, Muffins, Bagels and Danish from 9 until 11:30 AM; soft drinks and coffee will be available throughout the day for a small donation.

This gathering is a full day of clinics, model displays, vendors, a "Tracky Tray" auction (please donate new items, proceeds benefit 4-H), a great lunch and a chance for modelers to get together and bring any models they are working on or have finished, for display and discussion and learning. The model display is the heart of any RPM meet, so bring your work to show around. There are plenty of tables set to a comfortable height for viewing. We are working on Friday night and/or Sunday afternoon layout tours also.

The current line-up of clinicians includes:

Craig Bisgeier
"Researching and Modeling Truss Bridges"
Jim Dalberg
"Modeling Anthracite Roads"
Ralph DeBlasi
"Paint Schemes of the Lehigh Valley Railroad"
Ron Giordani and Mike Gossman
"Railfanning in the ConRail Era"
Jim Harr
"The "New" Modeler – modifying built-up freight cars for greater accuracy"
Mike McCann
"There Used to be a Railroad There – a study of NJ Fallen Flags through aerial photography"
Dave Messer
"Developing a Prototype Operating Scheme for the PRR Northeast
Division – Part 2"
Henry Freeman (tentative)
"An Introduction to Prototype Research"

The current vendor line-up includes:

Stella Scale Models – structure kits
Shortline Hobbies – kits, tools, supplies, etc
Outer Station Project – books
Rocket Express – cast resin freight car kits
Amesville Shops – cast resin freight car kits
Abacus Model Works – cast resin freight car kits
Mike Gossman - slides

Please visit our website at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neffrpm/ and our Facebook page at http://tinyurl.com/2cgcroh to sign up for the latest news. If you have a presentation or clinic you would like to show, or would like to inquire about vending, please contact us at neffrpm@... or leave a message with Jim Harr of Stella Scale Models at 908-797-0534.

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To register, please make your $20.00 check payable to the Somerset County 4-H Association, and mail to: NEFF RPM c/o Stella Scale Models, PO Box 121, High Bridge, NJ 08829-0121. Be sure to include an e-mail or postal address for a confirmation letter. If you would like a PDF of the registration form, reply by e-mail request to the above address.

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High Bridge, NJ


Re: IRC Santa Fe Caswell Gondolas

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hi Bruce,

Not exactly coastal, but is Harrisburg, Pa., far enough east for you? Larry Kline and Ted Culotta's book, "The Post War Freight Car Fleet," includes a photo on page 189 of ATSF 171033, a class Ga-5 Caswell gon built in 1921. The car is shown in the Reading's Rutherford Yard at Harrisburg on June 19, 1947.

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


IRC Santa Fe Caswell Gondolas

fielderbruce
 

Would these cars ever make it to the east coast?


Re: Huntsville Arsenal SS Boxcar

Todd Horton
 

Do the ORER's say how long these cars lasted?  Todd Horton


From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Huntsville Arsenal SS Boxcar


 
On Aug 17, 2011, at 3:15 PM, richtownsend@... wrote:
OK, I'm looking at a photo of Huntsville Arsenal box car H.A. 302.
It is a single-sheathed car. According to the caption from the
Railway Age photo, it is a rebuilt poultry car. "Several hindred
poultry cars purchased in 1941 by the Railway Accessories Company,
Cincinnati, Ohio, were converted into single-sheathed box cars.
Only 7,300 lb. of new steel was required per car. Most were shipped
to government agencies or private contracors engaged in
construction." p. 477 of a Railway Age dated March 4, 19XX (sorry,
the date was cut off).

I seem to recall reading that all the poultry cars disappeared
during the war (the big one -- WWII). This might explain how.
I think Richard is right about these cars being rebuilt from former
poultry cars, as the refrigerator cars which North American rebuilt
from ex-poultry cars were also tall for their length and had side
sheathing that extended down over the side sills as on the car in the
photo. BTW, it isn't true that all the poultry cars disappeared
during WW II, as I have photos of some taken in the late 1940s. But
their numbers certainly diminished greatly between the early 1930s
and the late '40s.

Richard Hendrickson

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NYCentral Modeler

Noel Widdifield <NYCBigFour@...>
 

The New York Central System Historical Society (NYCSHS) published the first NYCentral Modeler on its website on August 1st. Members and non-members can download it at www.nycshs.org

It contained several articles and photos of the New York Central System modeling and has received many compliments. Its success is founded on the wonderful contributions made by the authors of the articles. As is true with any magazine, that success can only continue if individuals who are interested in the content, continue to contribute articles.

We are in the process of laying out the next edition and still need a couple of articles to complete the edition. We are also beginning to plan for the next two editions and need articles and photos for those editions as well.

If you are a modeler who models any aspect of the New York Central we would love to have contributions from you. If you model locos, rolling stock, signals, buildings, scenery, track or any other aspect of the New York Central, please send us an email at NYCBigFour@... to obtain the style guide and additional materials that will help you with writing an article.

If you have a layout that models any aspect of the New York Central, we would love to do a feature on your layout. Contact us and we will help you provide the information and photos we would need to feature your railroad.

This is an excellent opportunity for you to share your modeling skills and models with other NYC modelers. Don't miss this chance to show others what you can do or have already done. Whether you are a NYCSHS member or just someone interested in the NYC, we welcome your contribution to this exciting magazine on the web.

We need your help to make the NYCentral Modeler a continuing success. Contact us at NYCBigFour@... and let us include you in an upcoming publication.


WTB: PRR NX23 wartime caboose, Westerfield kit

jonnyo55 <jonnyo55@...>
 

Hello to all...first post!

I'm looking for the above kit, preferably unbuilt, in HO scale. Would consider one of the OMI imports at the right price. What have you got?

Thanks in advance...John O'Connell jonnyo55@...

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