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Re: 40' plug door boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

CB&Q plug door RB's in the late 1950's were operated with RBNX reporting
marks and were decorated in standard "Fruit Growers Express" paint scheme
and lettering. I have scans of RBNX 80213, 80455, 81123, 81176 from this
period. RBNX 80000-81999 are listed under FGE in the 1955 ORER, a total of
994 cars. By 1959 the RBNX listing increased to 2917 cars, and the number
series are more clearly defined, e.g. 80000-81379 now shows 1357 cars. All
of the cars listed in 1959 are 40 foot cars.

Rock Island shows a small number of 40 foot RB's in 1955: 65000-65199 (only
10 cars), 65211-65226 (15 cars). The latter series must be converted reefers
as the interior length is only 32'8". By 1959 this latter series was gone,
and the earlier series was down to 2 cars. In the 1960's Rock Island acquired
lots of RB's and also had a series of rebuilds with CRIX reporting marks, but
that's too late for STMFC.

Tim O'Connor



I just joined this group and I'll get right down to business. I'm trying to
"regionalize" the rolling stock on my S scale SHABBONA RR, and I'm trying to
find out if CB&Q and Rock Island had 40' plug door boxcars in the mid- to
late- 1950's era.

In regard to the CB&Q cars, did any pre-date the Chinese Red era? I've searched
the internet, but have found little thus far

Thank you
Bob Nicholson


Re: Flat car model

Clark Propst
 

As if you guys weren't confused enough.
Chad is making three masters.

M&StL/MP flush deck
WP flush deck
M&StL extended deck

Clark Propst


Re: PRR reefer operations into New York City's Pier 29 and Washington St. Produce Terminal Market

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch asked:
"I am trying to expand my knowledge and resources regarding the PRR's
produce traffic into New York City. Their car-floats would dock at
Pier 29 where produce was unloaded from refrigerator cars using ramps
built into the car-floats. I have photos from the USDA/National
Archives showing this activity. My question is how was the produce
moved from there to the Washington Street Produce Terminal about a
block away: surface streets, tunnels, etc? I also have nice photos of
the activities there. 

Most likely surface streets.  The PRR did have a stock yard accessed via a
tunnel at West 37th St.


"I would also like to find a map showing the location of Pier 29. It is not on
contemporary maps."

Pier 29 is on the Hudson at Vestry Street.  Here are a couple of views of the
Pier 29 from the river.
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/pierstations.html#Pier%2029
and a map showing the location of rail freight facilities on Manhattan:
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/pierstations.html#Facilities%20Map


"Also a question related to the B&O. I know they had a connection to
the Staten Island Rapid Transit Railroad. Did the B&O have access
into Manhattan?"

Yes, at West 26th Street.
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/bo26.html


Ben Hom


Re: Flat car model

Clark Propst
 

I've placed three photos of Chad's WP master in the "Flat Car" folder in the Photo files.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: PRR reefer operations into New York City's Pier 29 and Washington St. Produce Terminal Market

S hed <shed999@...>
 

You might find what you are looking for in this incredible website about New York City railroads. http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/IndustrialLocos.html - Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake WA To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:37:24 -0400
Subject: [STMFC] PRR reefer operations into New York City's Pier 29 and Washington St. Produce Terminal Market




























Gentleman:



I am trying to expand my knowledge and resources regarding the PRR's

produce traffic into New York City. Their car-floats would dock at

Pier 29 where produce was unloaded from refrigerator cars using ramps

built into the car-floats. I have photos from the USDA/National

Archives showing this activity. My question is how was the produce

moved from there to the Washington Street Produce Terminal about a

block away: surface streets, tunnels, etc? I also have nice photos of

the activities there.



I would also like to find a map showing the location of Pier 29. It

is not on contemporary maps. I am hoping there are PRR fans on this

list with info about the Pennsy's operations into NYC. I would

appreciate this message also being forwarded on to PRR people not on

this list.



Also a question related to the B&O. I know they had a connection to

the Staten Island Rapid Transit Railroad. Did the B&O have access

into Manhattan? I am going from memory but I think there is a photo

of a B&O tug and car-float in John White's "Great Yellow Fleet."



I realize I may be on the edge of violating the guidelines for this

list and beg the Sheriff's forbearance if I am.



Bill Welch

2225 Nursery Road; #20-104

Clearwater, FL 33764-7622

727.470.9930

fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com



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Richard Burp Photos

Gene Semon
 

Gentlemen,

Can someone supply me with the current address for the photo seller, Richard
Burg?

Thanks,

Gene Semon


Re: Richard Burp Photos

water.kresse@...
 

Rich Burg was there in Burton (a suburb of Flint) the last time I saw him.  Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Buckhart" <norm@protocraft.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:26:56 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Richard Burp Photos

this is the latest I have:

2155 East Whittemore, Burton, MI 48529-1725.  e-mail: cinderandeight@aol.com

Norm Buckhart

On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:21 AM, mopac1 wrote:

Gentlemen,

Can someone supply me with the current address for the photo seller,  
Richard
Burg?

Thanks,

Gene Semon







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Yahoo! Groups Links





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Re: Richard Burp Photos

Norm Buckhart
 

this is the latest I have:

2155 East Whittemore, Burton, MI 48529-1725. e-mail: cinderandeight@aol.com

Norm Buckhart

On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:21 AM, mopac1 wrote:

Gentlemen,

Can someone supply me with the current address for the photo seller,
Richard
Burg?

Thanks,

Gene Semon


Re: 40' plug door boxcars

Charlie Vlk
 

Short answer is no.. the CB&Q proper did not have any 40' box cars with plug
doors until the 40' door and plug cars after the Chinese Red era. BREX
had plenty of reefers so equipped, however. CB&Q was mostly 40' XM32 single
door 10'-6" cars with small variations.. see the Burlington Bulletin devoted
to the subject.

Charlie Vlk



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
shabbona_rr
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:52 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] 40' plug door boxcars





Hello;

I just joined this group and I'll get right down to business. I'm trying to
"regionalize" the rolling stock on my S scale SHABBONA RR, and I'm trying to
find out if CB&Q and Rock Island had 40' plug door boxcars in the mid- to
late- 1950's era.

In regard to the CB&Q cars, did any pre-date the Chinese Red era? I've
searched the internet, but have found little thus far

Thank you
Bob Nicholson _______________________________________________


PRR reefer operations into New York City's Pier 29 and Washington St. Produce Terminal Market

Bill Welch
 

Gentleman:

I am trying to expand my knowledge and resources regarding the PRR's
produce traffic into New York City. Their car-floats would dock at
Pier 29 where produce was unloaded from refrigerator cars using ramps
built into the car-floats. I have photos from the USDA/National
Archives showing this activity. My question is how was the produce
moved from there to the Washington Street Produce Terminal about a
block away: surface streets, tunnels, etc? I also have nice photos of
the activities there.

I would also like to find a map showing the location of Pier 29. It
is not on contemporary maps. I am hoping there are PRR fans on this
list with info about the Pennsy's operations into NYC. I would
appreciate this message also being forwarded on to PRR people not on
this list.

Also a question related to the B&O. I know they had a connection to
the Staten Island Rapid Transit Railroad. Did the B&O have access
into Manhattan? I am going from memory but I think there is a photo
of a B&O tug and car-float in John White's "Great Yellow Fleet."

I realize I may be on the edge of violating the guidelines for this
list and beg the Sheriff's forbearance if I am.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: Rapido Reefer Reservations

Douglas Harding
 

Bob, in conversations with Bill Schneider of Rapido, I learned you should
place your order through your local hobby shop or hobby dealer. I don't
believe Rapido is set up as a retailer.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Rapido Reefer Reservations

Bill Schneider
 

Bob,

We’re not set up to sell direct, so you’ll need to reserve them through your favorite dealer. Sorry if that wasn’t clear in the ad.

Also, let me know (off list) which e-mail address you contacted us through. For some reason it does not appear to have com through. We may have an issue with a spam filter setting.

Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains

From: oandle
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:14 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Rapido Reefer Reservations


Ad in RMC says reservations for these cars are due by October 28th but I didn't see any place on their website to place the reservation. Are we supposed to place it with the manufacturer or our LHS. I emailed Rapido but haven't received a reply. Thanks!
Bob Weston





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Re: 40' plug door boxcars

m <lawdog99999@...>
 

Hello Bob,

There is a yahoo group called RITSlist that can help you with the Rock Island questions.Those guys really know their stuff.

Rob

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "shabbona_rr" <user141771@...> wrote:

Hello;

I just joined this group and I'll get right down to business. I'm trying to "regionalize" the rolling stock on my S scale SHABBONA RR, and I'm trying to find out if CB&Q and Rock Island had 40' plug door boxcars in the mid- to late- 1950's era.

In regard to the CB&Q cars, did any pre-date the Chinese Red era? I've searched the internet, but have found little thus far

Thank you
Bob Nicholson _______________________________________________


40' plug door boxcars

Robert B. Nicholson
 

Hello;

I just joined this group and I'll get right down to business. I'm trying to "regionalize" the rolling stock on my S scale SHABBONA RR, and I'm trying to find out if CB&Q and Rock Island had 40' plug door boxcars in the mid- to late- 1950's era.

In regard to the CB&Q cars, did any pre-date the Chinese Red era? I've searched the internet, but have found little thus far

Thank you
Bob Nicholson _______________________________________________


Wayback machine was Re: post-World War II Southern box cars

jerryglow2
 

Besides, the Wayback machine would give you what was on the site at a point in time. Tim's or my approach will give you what is on the site although not necessarily available.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Craig Zeni wrote:
I've been able to find just about anything on Ted's pages by using
the wayback machine at www.archive.org. It's a bit clunky but it's
much better than no info.
Craig, I wasn't bemoaning the lack of prototype info in those
pages, but the lack of any evidence of anything CURRENTLY for sale.
Somehow I doubt the wayback machine can also be used as a "wayfuture"
machine.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Rapido Reefer Reservations

Bob Weston
 

Ad in RMC says reservations for these cars are due by October 28th but I didn't see any place on their website to place the reservation. Are we supposed to place it with the manufacturer or our LHS. I emailed Rapido but haven't received a reply. Thanks!
Bob Weston


Re: Wayback machine was Re: post-World War II Southern box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Craig Zeni wrote:
I've been able to find just about anything on Ted's pages by using the wayback machine at www.archive.org. It's a bit clunky but it's
much better than no info.
Craig, I wasn't bemoaning the lack of prototype info in those pages, but the lack of any evidence of anything CURRENTLY for sale. Somehow I doubt the wayback machine can also be used as a "wayfuture" machine.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: AAR Standard Lettering and Markings

Thomas Birkett
 

I don't know for sure where this falls in place but my copy of All ABout
Tank Cars 1921 published by Standard Tank Car has a drawing entitled "Figure
6 Markings. (Revised)" on Page 579, which reads.

"1918: Addition of horizontal bars above and below initials and number."

"1919 "A.R.A. Spec III (or I, II, IV or V)" substituted for "M.C.B.
Construction" on new and restenciled cars."

Thomas N. Birkett, PE

Bartlesville, OK


Re: Wayback machine was Re: post-World War II Southern box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

I found the KC111 page simply with Google: "Speedwitch KC111"
The page came right up.

Also works for

http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/kc101.htm
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/kc102.htm
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/kc103.htm

... well you get the idea.

Tim O'Connor

At 8/24/2011 10:25 PM Wednesday, you wrote:

On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:55 AM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

6d. Re: post-World War II Southern box cars
Posted by: "Anthony Thompson" thompson@signaturepress.com sigpress
Date: Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:24 pm ((PDT))

Fenton Wells wrote:
Tony, Ted at Speedwitch did three different versions of the Southern
postwar car KC111 ( I'm not sure of the other numbers as his site
dosen't list them anymore) kits, the 23000-23486(SRR) 262040-262049
(CNO&TP) and 307025-307027 (AGS) as well as the NO&NE cars in the
330000-330499.
Thanks, Fenton. I wasn't aware of these. The Speedwitch page for
models is currently empty, so we will have to wait for Ted to find
time to update it.
I've been able to find just about anything on Ted's pages by using
the wayback machine at www.archive.org. It's a bit clunky but it's
much better than no info.

<http://liveweb.archive.org/http://speedwitch.com/Models/kc111.htm>
is the Southern cars...

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Wayback machine was Re: post-World War II Southern box cars

jerryglow2
 

If you know how to play with URLs, just delete the last part of the listing to get the directory ie try http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Craig Zeni <clzeni@...> wrote:


On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:55 AM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

6d. Re: post-World War II Southern box cars
Posted by: "Anthony Thompson" thompson@... sigpress
Date: Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:24 pm ((PDT))

Fenton Wells wrote:
Tony, Ted at Speedwitch did three different versions of the Southern
postwar car KC111 ( I'm not sure of the other numbers as his site
dosen't list them anymore) kits, the 23000-23486(SRR) 262040-262049
(CNO&TP) and 307025-307027 (AGS) as well as the NO&NE cars in the
330000-330499.
Thanks, Fenton. I wasn't aware of these. The Speedwitch page for
models is currently empty, so we will have to wait for Ted to find
time to update it.
I've been able to find just about anything on Ted's pages by using
the wayback machine at www.archive.org. It's a bit clunky but it's
much better than no info.

<http://liveweb.archive.org/http://speedwitch.com/Models/kc111.htm>
is the Southern cars...

Craig Zeni
Cary NC

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