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Re: Intermountain 1958 Covered Hopper

Douglas Harding
 

My Thanks to Ed and Richard for their quick response. Confirms the cars are extremely close, with just one minor detail.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Intermountain 1958 Covered Hopper

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Does anyone know the prototype for the InterMountain HO 1958 cu ft
covered
Hopper? Is if ACF, GA or P-S? I ask because they offered it in a
M&StL paint
scheme that is accurate for a series of cars the M&StL bought in
1940 from
GA.
Doug, the IM covered hopper represents an AC&F car, but General
American and Greenville built cars that were essentially identical
apart from some minor detail differences. I recently modified one to
represent a Union Pacific CH-70-1 which was built in late 1940 by
GATC, and all I had to do was replace the running board (the
prototype car had a wood rather than steel grid running board) and
modify the hatch cover latch mechanisms to represent the somewhat
different GATC versions.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Intermountain 1958 Covered Hopper

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Does anyone know the prototype for the InterMountain HO 1958 cu ft
covered
Hopper? Is if ACF, GA or P-S? I ask because they offered it in a
M&StL paint
scheme that is accurate for a series of cars the M&StL bought in 1940
from
GA.
Doug,
The IM model is based on the ACF design. On the version of the
prototype car that IM produces, one distinguishing difference is the
locking bar arrangement. The ACF design had a single L-shaped rod that
held each hatch cover in the closed position. Cars built by
Pullman-Standard and GATC had two of these L-shaped rods per hatch.

I'm not positive buy IM might have developed a second locking bar
arrangement for P-S and GATC cars since they were so prevalent.

The 10 M&StL cars built in 1940 by GATC were discussed in a Mainline
Modeler article (July 1993). A drawing is provided but no photos.
Builder's photos of 70051 from series 70051-70069 (odd) show the cars
were painted black. Stencils were probably white but could also be
aluminum. They had two L-shaped rods per hatch, the middle section of
the sides were open, Apex running boards, Equipco hand brakes, and
70-ton double-truss spring-plankless trucks.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Vinegar Tank

john.allyn@...
 

I don't think so.  The article was in the March, 1955 Model Railroader.  If I remember correctly, the Stevens car was a single wooden  tank on a steel frame and was used to carry mineral water.  The Ambroid/Northeastern kit (and I have one too waiting to be built) had two tanks on a steel frame (which of course lacked rivet detail) and was lettered with silk screen for A. M. Richter. 

John B. Allyn
Nashville TN 37215

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don" <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:45:05 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Vinegar Tank

 






--- In STMFC@... , "barryb2again" <Barrybennetttoo@...> wrote:

Gentlemen

While we are on the subject of wooden vinegar cars, does anyone have any details of the prototype history etc of the Northeastern vinegar tank car kit. I've got one and will eventually get around to building it.

I've got a museum photo of one that is similar but would be interested to know how accurate the kit is and any history of potential prototypes.

Barry Bennett
Wasn't this car kit based on the one Eric Stevens did a construction article for in Model Railroader back in the mid-1950's?
Not sure but wondering.

Don Valentine


Intermountain 1958 Covered Hopper

Douglas Harding
 

Does anyone know the prototype for the InterMountain HO 1958 cu ft covered
Hopper? Is if ACF, GA or P-S? I ask because they offered it in a M&StL paint
scheme that is accurate for a series of cars the M&StL bought in 1940 from
GA.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Vinegar Tank

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "barryb2again" <Barrybennetttoo@...> wrote:

Gentlemen

While we are on the subject of wooden vinegar cars, does anyone have any details of the prototype history etc of the Northeastern vinegar tank car kit. I've got one and will eventually get around to building it.

I've got a museum photo of one that is similar but would be interested to know how accurate the kit is and any history of potential prototypes.

Barry Bennett

Wasn't this car kit based on the one Eric Stevens did a construction article for in Model Railroader back in the mid-1950's?
Not sure but wondering.

Don Valentine


Re: End Numbers

Tim O'Connor
 

I've seen photos of LV hoppers with the LV emblem AND a stenciled car number,
but I've never seen a photo of one with the number inside the emblem! When was
LV 19000 built?

Champ decals actually made the 10" herald for the hoppers: HH-281

Tim O'Connor

At 8/30/2011 08:01 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
I recently saw a photo in a magazine of a Lehigh Valley 19000 series ribbed offset-side hopper that had its end number painted in a black diamond. It was car number 19000. Did any other roads use their herald on the end of their cars?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.


Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

Tim O'Connor
 

He's probably thinking of the Heinz PICKLE tank car from Westerfield,
kits 2200/1/2/3.

At 8/29/2011 11:28 PM Monday, you wrote:
John - Virtually everything we've ever made except for limited runs and cars removed because they weren't accurate enough are on the web site. We did not make a vinegar tank car. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: boyds1949
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:24 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



Is there a complete list of Westerfield kits online? Al's websites list the kits that were available at the time he stopped selling but I am wondering if there were kits that were produced early on and discontinued and are not listed.

I was visiting a layout last week and there was a excellent model of Heinz 204 which he identified as being built from a Westerfield kit. I don't remember ever seeing this model on his lists.

Thanks in advance.

John King


Re: GN Airslides, color(s) of lettering

Tim O'Connor
 

I've heard lots of stories like that, but I'm incredulous -- even a
lowly underpaid office worker probably understands that glossy photos
have a reasonable resale value. Yes, a manager might have said "throw
those out" .. and they subsequently end up in the trunk of some employee
automobile. Every now and then on Ebay I've seen GATC 8x10 glossy prints
for sale -- bought a couple myself. They were official company photos.

Tim O'Connor



Subsequently I have been told that all the historical records and photos
went into a dumpster some years ago.
Thomas N. Birkett, PE
Bartlesville, OK


Re: GN Airslides, color(s) of lettering

Tim O'Connor
 

There is another excellent photo of a brand new GN #71903 on page 31
of the Four Ways West Great Northern Freight Car Pictorial Volume 2.
This photo is not in the RP Cyc. The car looks very new, and the
lettering (ALL of it, including the herald) definitely looks "other
than black" to me. I would actually have guessed bright red, if Steffan
had not found the drawing that says it was "box car" red.

Tim O'Connor



We know that black & white photos can be tricky to interpret, and I'll
happily stand corrected by defering to painting/lettering diagrams if
they can be located. The AFE may well be correct about the use of box
car red stencils, but on gray Airslide cars built in 1954-1955 this
color would be pretty unusual.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Duryea coupler pockets.

Tim O'Connor
 

Ted's roster of Duryea equipped freight cars and a drawing of a flat car
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protoduryeamain.html

Also see Mainline Modeler Feb 1986 which has a drawing for application to
a 1932 ARA box car, plus photos.

Other references:

Train Shed Cyclopedia #75, page 385 - gondola drawings
Train Shed Cyclopedia #75, page 386 - twin hopper drawings

Tim O'

------------------------------------------------

To simulate a Duryea underframe you may want to consider modeling the
end of the center sill and the center sill guides that slide on
"hangers" attached to the end sill. For the Duryea underframe, the end
of the center sill extended about 7" further from the end than a
traditional striker plate. And yes, you want to use scale couplers and
draft gear. The model of the B&O M-53 from WrightTrak captures this detail.

There are photos of a M-53 on the B&O Yahoo Group that has several views
of the ends of the center sill. I am not sure if you need to be a member
to view them.

Bob Witt

http://tinyurl.com/3wxxsaq


Vinegar Tank

barryb2again <Barrybennetttoo@...>
 

Gentlemen

While we are on the subject of wooden vinegar cars, does anyone have any details of the prototype history etc of the Northeastern vinegar tank car kit. I've got one and will eventually get around to building it.

I've got a museum photo of one that is similar but would be interested to know how accurate the kit is and any history of potential prototypes.

Barry Bennett


Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

tmolsen@...
 

John,

If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it. He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711


Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

John King
 

Thanks to all who responded, both on the list and privately.

My original post was not 100% clear. The car I was talking about was a wooden tank car. Heinz had a fleet of 36 foot cars. Imagine a shorter version of the Standard Brands car from Sunshine or a shorter version of the car that Ambroid produced years ago, but with completly different details.

Overland imported a version of the Heinz vinegar tank 15 or 20 years ago and Strombeker made a kit in 1949, but the paper wrapper Strombeker used for the tank details doesn't exactly come up to today's standards.

There has apparantly never been a resin kit for this car.

John K.

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:

Walter - No chance. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Walter
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 6:27 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



Al, could John be asking about one of your pickle cars?

Walt Lankenau

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@> wrote:
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> John - Virtually everything we've ever made except for limited runs and cars removed because they weren't accurate enough are on the web site. We did not make a vinegar tank car. - Al Westerfield
>

I was visiting a layout last week and there was a excellent model of Heinz 204 which he identified as being built from a Westerfield kit. I don't remember ever seeing this model on his lists.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> John King
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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Walter - No chance. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Walter
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 6:27 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



Al, could John be asking about one of your pickle cars?

Walt Lankenau

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:
>
> John - Virtually everything we've ever made except for limited runs and cars removed because they weren't accurate enough are on the web site. We did not make a vinegar tank car. - Al Westerfield
>

I was visiting a layout last week and there was a excellent model of Heinz 204 which he identified as being built from a Westerfield kit. I don't remember ever seeing this model on his lists.
>
> Thanks in advance.
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> John King
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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

npin53
 

In "Essential Freight Cars #20, March, 2005 RMC, Ted Culotta uses a Sunshine kit to model a vinegar car. It is one of the kit #'s 60.1-60.3.

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun60.pdf


Aaron


Re: Hormel cars for Cocoa Beach

sctry
 

The MRHA Hormel cars are from the series built in 1940 and are in the post 1953 paint scheme. Multiple car numbers are available via overlay decals.

John Greedy

--- In STMFC@..., "np328" <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:

John, of the MRHA cars, what years are they accurate for?
Build date being most important. Photos on the website are rather small to read any data. Thanks, Jim Dick - St. Paul

--- In STMFC@..., "sctry" <JGreedy@> wrote:

Time to start thinking about Cocoa Beach. There is still time to build those Hormel cars from the 2011 Shake-N-Take. If you need decals they are still available from 5th Avenue Car Shops. See the Shake-N-Take YahooGroups web site for details (decal orders and Hormel how-to instructions).

An alternate approach for the Hormel cars is to begin with a prepainted and lettered car. Check out the Milwaukee Road Historical Association web site (www.mrha.com) "Company Store" for fully decorated Hormel cars.

Hope to see many Hormel cars at ProtRails 2012. I have 3 cars completed and several more nearing completion on my work bench (early scheme with original board roof, early scheme with outside metal roof, later scheme with outside metal roof).

John Greedy


End Numbers

rdgbuff56
 

I recently saw a photo in a magazine of a Lehigh Valley 19000 series ribbed offset-side hopper that had its end number painted in a black diamond.  It was car number 19000.  Did any other roads use their herald on the end of their cars?
 
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.

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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

mcindoefalls
 

Al, could John be asking about one of your pickle cars?

Walt Lankenau

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:

John - Virtually everything we've ever made except for limited runs and cars removed because they weren't accurate enough are on the web site. We did not make a vinegar tank car. - Al Westerfield
I was visiting a layout last week and there was a excellent model of Heinz 204 which he identified as being built from a Westerfield kit. I don't remember ever seeing this model on his lists.

Thanks in advance.

John King





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Re: GN Airslides, color(s) of lettering

spsalso
 

Tom,

Thanks for responding. I wouldn't be shocked if all the pertinent info really was tossed.

I was at the PR office of the Port of Oakland one day when they were throwing out most of their old "stuff" because they were moving to a new space with less storage. I jokingly offered to take it all, and they said that would be fine. But I didn't have the space either. I did snag a rather ratted out photo mural of an SP SW1500 on the docks coupled to a couple of container flats sprinkled with one each of 20' boxes owned by their various tenants at the time of the photo. I should study it and try to figure out when it was shot.


Ed

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