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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

The earliest Westerfield hopper car kits were described by several modelers as requiring five hands to assemble. One reason I never tried one.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

Armand Premo
 

Hardly an expert,but I have built some Fifty Westerfield kits,I personally think that their ore cars, and NYC stock cars are reasonably difficult .Then I started their Caswell Gondola.It had to have been designed by Freddy..The number of small operating wheels for the drop bottom doors are a time consuming pain in the B---I would have to rate this car as the most challenging of all the Westerfields with which I am familiar......... and I have yet to finish it . ..Armand Premo

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

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> I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
> build one of the Sunshine cars.
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> SGL
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> If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
> pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
> produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
> He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
> build nor for the faint hearted.
>
> Tom Olsen
> Newark, Delaware, 19711
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Re: Texas & Pacific DS box car...

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Thanks Ed...

Jack

<Jack,
<I think Southern FC Brown is probably too light. For 1939 I believe
<that ATSF Mineral Brown would be a better choice.
<Regards,
<Ed Hawkins


Re: Texas & Pacific DS box car...

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 1, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:

I am just starting Sunshine Models' Kit #52.13 for the Texas & Pacific
50000 series double-sheathed box car. The Prototype Data Sheet states
that
these cars were painted boxcar red with a "brown tone". Is Floquil
Southern
Freight Car Brown an acceptable color? Is there a better choice/mix.
Also,
was the underframe painted the same color? And...where the trucks
painted
the same color? I modeling circa 1939 if that makes a difference.
Jack,
I think Southern FC Brown is probably too light. For 1939 I believe
that ATSF Mineral Brown would be a better choice.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Challenging Kits to build

Bill Welch
 

I agree with Pierre about the Vinegar tank car. I think challenging is a
better way to describe this kit.
One of the things I find helpful in building such kits to break them
down into sub-assemblies. Tank cars especially, are easier IMO when done
this way. For example I treat the tank as one assembly and the u/f as
another. This is true whether it it styrene or resin. With resin, one of
the first things I like to do is determine the centerline of the bottom
of the tank and mark/score it. Then I position it on the u/f and center
it end to end using the aforementioned mark to make sure it is squarely
in position. Using tape I secure the two checking as I go to make sure
nothing has moved. Then I drill the holes for the trucks all the way
into the tank. Then I tap both holes and us long screws to secure the
two assemblies. These of course will also secure the trucks. This allows
me to detail the tank and underframe separately, yet test fit accurately
as the work proceeds. I also wait to very end to put weight in the tank.
While ultimately I glue the tank and u/f together, the long screws also
means the assembly of the two will be very solid.
I started doing this with the first of the two Sunshine insulated Type
27 AC&F tank cars I built, which is when I figured out how to draw a
straight line on a cylinder, to mark the centerline on the bottom or the
tank.
To build Sunshine's M-15 and M-53 B&O wagon tops I used a similar
approach, building the u/f with the internal bulkheads first, then
laminating .005 styrene to the edges of the bulkheads and to the
interior of the two sides, which enabled me to assemble the sides to the
internal structure with styrene cement. The ends were similarly
laminated with .005 styrene to compensate for essentially widening the
superstructure.
I do wish purveyors of resin kits would more carefully engineer their
kits so that we did have to re-engineer them. It has kept this sector of
the hobby smaller that it could be.
I am still haunted by the "box-scale" Revell Skyraider that I was never
able to finish building because of the folding wing and landing gear
mechanisms.
Bill Welch


Texas & Pacific DS box car...

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

All...

I am just starting Sunshine Models' Kit #52.13 for the Texas & Pacific
50000 series double-sheathed box car. The Prototype Data Sheet states that
these cars were painted boxcar red with a "brown tone". Is Floquil Southern
Freight Car Brown an acceptable color? Is there a better choice/mix. Also,
was the underframe painted the same color? And...where the trucks painted
the same color? I modeling circa 1939 if that makes a difference.

Thanks...

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA


RPM/Western Prototype Modelers Meet

dh30973
 

Please come join us for the RPM/Western Prototype Modeler, 27th Annual, meet at the historic Santa Fe Depot in San Bernardino CA.
The Meet will be held Saturday Sept. 17th 2011 from 9:00 AM – 5:00 PM. There will be clinics during the day, vendors and a great display of models (don't forget to bring your own for display) all roads, scales and eras welcome.
Admission is $15.00 at the door or $10.00 if you bring 3 or more models.
A lot of great raffle prizes will be available to choose from.
Railfan all day without having to chase trains and also see the great Train Museum at the Depot. Parking and admission to the museum are Free

Photos of last years meet:
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/wpm2010&page=all

Also, this Oct. 20-22, 2011 in Lisle, Il. RPM will be presenting the 18th annual Conference, formerly the Sunshine Models Naperville meet, at the Hickory Ridge Marriott Hotel. Same great event as in years past, different location. The city of Lisle is right next door to Naperville.

For vendor info or questions and registration for the Lisle meet contact
Joe D'Elia (760-721-3393 or ppw-aline@... ) complete info about both meets on web-site:
http://www.railroadprototypemodelers.com


Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Gentlemen,
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:38 AM, randy arnold <61mkii@...> wrote:

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Go to the messages folder click advanced search and do a search using
"author contains": darnaby

I just did the same..it is fairly close to the end of the messages

Regards Randy

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...
wrote:
Elden, Where would I find Darnaby's kit building suggestions? I have one
of
those to build and need all the help I can get.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <
elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf
Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building
the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I
feel
that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've
now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building
process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted.
If
you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin
kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit
maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the
vinegar
tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number
of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

randy arnold
 

Go to the messages folder click advanced search and do a search using
"author contains": darnaby

I just did the same..it is fairly close to the end of the messages

Regards Randy

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>wrote:

Elden, Where would I find Darnaby's kit building suggestions? I have one
of
those to build and need all the help I can get.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <
elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building
the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel
that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've
now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building
process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If
you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin
kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar
tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Wow, that is very interesting!

Thanks, Pierre.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:21 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)



Lest I go on for hours, I'll restrict myself to 2 onlist; Sylvan's Canadian
Slabside hoppers NorWest's CC&F tankcar.
The tankcar is almost unbuildable once Brian Pate had someone else do his
casting for him.
Both are cars I refuse to undertake for clients.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood,
Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood


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[mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building
the vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I
feel that it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult
kit. I've now built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's
suggested building process and just plain thinking it through, 3
rather nice cars have resulted. If you approach the task logically it's
really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin
kits out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit
maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the
vinegar tank car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@>
wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number
of pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

O Fenton Wells
 

Elden, Where would I find Darnaby's kit building suggestions? I have one of
those to build and need all the help I can get.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <
elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel
that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building
process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If
you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar
tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Lest I go on for hours, I'll restrict myself to 2 onlist;
Sylvan's Canadian Slabside hoppers
NorWest's CC&F tankcar.
The tankcar is almost unbuildable once Brian Pate had someone else do his casting for him.
Both are cars I refuse to undertake for clients.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

Dennis Williams
 

I built 5 of them. The 1st was the problem car, after that,, they were easy. Dennis. WWW.resinbuilders4u.com

On Thu Sep 1st, 2011 7:01 AM PDT Pierre wrote:

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel that it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building process and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If you approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar tank car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to build
one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine produced is
so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it. He did a great job
with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to build nor for the faint
hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel that it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building process and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If you approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar tank car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to build
one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine produced is
so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it. He did a great job
with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to build nor for the faint
hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Hormel cars for Cocoa Beach

Randy Hammill
 

John -

Will the decals work for earlier schemes as well? Does anything in the kitbash need to be changed if modeling c1946 through to 1953?

Thanks -

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com

--- In STMFC@..., "sctry" <JGreedy@...> wrote:

The MRHA Hormel cars are from the series built in 1940 and are in the post 1953 paint scheme. Multiple car numbers are available via overlay decals.

John Greedy

--- In STMFC@..., "np328" <jcdworkingonthenp@> wrote:

John, of the MRHA cars, what years are they accurate for?
Build date being most important. Photos on the website are rather small to read any data. Thanks, Jim Dick - St. Paul

--- In STMFC@..., "sctry" <JGreedy@> wrote:

Time to start thinking about Cocoa Beach. There is still time to build those Hormel cars from the 2011 Shake-N-Take. If you need decals they are still available from 5th Avenue Car Shops. See the Shake-N-Take YahooGroups web site for details (decal orders and Hormel how-to instructions).

An alternate approach for the Hormel cars is to begin with a prepainted and lettered car. Check out the Milwaukee Road Historical Association web site (www.mrha.com) "Company Store" for fully decorated Hormel cars.

Hope to see many Hormel cars at ProtRails 2012. I have 3 cars completed and several more nearing completion on my work bench (early scheme with original board roof, early scheme with outside metal roof, later scheme with outside metal roof).

John Greedy


Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to build
one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine produced is
so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it. He did a great job
with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to build nor for the faint
hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Intermountain 1958 Covered Hopper

Clark Propst
 

Ed wrote: "Builder's photos of 70051 from series 70051-70069 (odd) show the cars were painted black. Stencils were probably white but could also be
aluminum."

The painting diagrams call for white stenciling.
Clark Propst


Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

Frank Pearsall
 

Good afternoon:

I have two sets of drawings in quarter-inch:

H.J. Heinz Pickle Tankcar
H.J. Heinz Vinegar Tankcar

These drawings are from the Heinz Company and are dated in 1941. Contact me off list for ordering info.

Frank A. Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.

On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:56 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:

On the subject of vinegar tanks for you Southern fans, on the lower half
of page 46 of the book "Southern Railway System, a pictorial" by Doug
Nuckles and Curt Tillotson Jr., there is a picture of what looks like
a vinegar tank (I think), the first car behind Southern F7A (4187)leaving
Oxford NC at O&H junction. According to the authors the "pickle" car is
comming from a plant in Henderson NC. I wonder if the authors had other
pictures showing a better photo of the car that didn't make it into the
book?

FYI
Fenton Wells


Heinz Vinegar Tank Cars

John King
 

Winchester, VA, had three plants making vinegar from apple cider during the era covered by this list. One of them, the Heinz apple cider vinegar plant, was served by the B&O. Standard Brands had an office in town, but no plant of their own. Overland made a model of the Heinz car in brass; it has "issues" and, based on eBay prices when one shows up, some people think they are made of gold. Based on the responses to my original post, it looks like a Heinz vinegar car has never been done in resin.

Thanks again,

John K.

--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

Operationally speaking, Vinegar production in the steam era was usually
associated with Yeast production, vinegar being a byproduct. So if you know
of a Fleishman or in later years, Standard Brand's yeast factory (there was
one in East Oakland, CA), odds are good they also shipped vinegar. Yeast
may not seem like much of a product, but every large bread bakery needed
plenty and so the bigger the city, the better the odds a Standard Brands
yeast plant was near. As for vinegar consumption, it wasn't just for
pickling cucumbers -- making Catsup calls for plenty too.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
John,

If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine produced is
so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it. He did a great job
with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to build nor for the faint
hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711

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