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Re: Challenging Kits to build

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Welch wrote:
One very nice innovation is Jon Cagle's inclusion of heavy laser scored/cut paper templates to help mark the handrail stanchions on the tank.
It would be easy for the kit purveyor/designer to score the bottom of the tank pattern with its centerline
I agree with Bill that the bottom centerline is a crucial benchmark. But once you have it, you can make a paper strip which wraps around the tank and just meets at the bottom centerline, and then simply mark it for things like handrail stanchion height and end grab iron location. I use that technique on lots of tank projects, not just resin.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Texas & Pacific DS box car...

Jack Burgess
 

<
<Have you looked at the rolling stock pics on the T&P Railway site?
<
<Try www.texaspacificrailway.org/rolling-stock
<
<Cheers,
<Frank

Thanks Frank...although box car colors are all over the map, it does appear that standard practice was to paint trucks black (and maybe underframes).

Jack Burgess


Re: Challenging Kits to build

Bill Welch
 

One very nice innovation is Jon Cagle's inclusion of heavy laser scored/cut paper templates to help mark the handrail stanchions on the tank.

It would be easy for the kit purveyor/designer to score the bottom of the tank pattern with its centerline

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, wdarnaby@... wrote:

Yes, resin tank cars are the most difficult to assemble IMHO.  It easily takes
twice as long as the typical house car.  I have done 'em all, execpt the Norwest
car, with the F&C and Sunsine type 17 being the most recent.  The difficult
parts are in getting the UF centered on the tank and the walkway supports all in
the same plane.  The best advice I can give anybody is assemble the centersill
to the tank as early in the process as possible with 2-56 screws through the
bolster.  Then leave the tank removable as long as possible in the process.  I
wait until the tank bands are secured before gluing the tank to the UF and
bolster support blocks.

Bill Darnaby

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Re: Challenging Kits to build

william darnaby
 

Yes, resin tank cars are the most difficult to assemble IMHO.  It easily takes
twice as long as the typical house car.  I have done 'em all, execpt the Norwest
car, with the F&C and Sunsine type 17 being the most recent.  The difficult
parts are in getting the UF centered on the tank and the walkway supports all in
the same plane.  The best advice I can give anybody is assemble the centersill
to the tank as early in the process as possible with 2-56 screws through the
bolster.  Then leave the tank removable as long as possible in the process.  I
wait until the tank bands are secured before gluing the tank to the UF and
bolster support blocks.

Bill Darnaby


Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

O Fenton Wells
 

I've built about 20 of the Westerfield with no problems, but then I had a
tough time with the Sunshine Warren tank car. The good thing is that I seem
to be getting better with each one. I actually enjoy them more than the
Branchline or Intermountain kits.
Fenton Wells
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@yahoo.com>wrote:

**


I built 5 of them. The 1st was the problem car, after that,, they were
easy. Dennis. WWW.resinbuilders4u.com

On Thu Sep 1st, 2011 7:01 AM PDT Pierre wrote:

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel
that it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've
now built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building
process and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have
resulted. If you approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin
kits out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit
maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar
tank car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build
one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine produced
is
so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it. He did a great
job
with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to build nor for the faint
hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Texas & Pacific DS box car...

O Fenton Wells
 

Ed, would that also apply to the Southern boxcars from the late 1930's
through say 1955? What few color photos I've seen of these cars show them
in a "browner" tone than the Floquil Southern freight car brown. I believe
the Floquil to be more appropiate for the Southern in the 60's and beyond.
I use the Floquil but I overspray with a very thinned black to tone it
down.
That is a very uneducated observation on my part, more of a guess I'm
afraid.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

**



On Sep 1, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:

I am just starting Sunshine Models' Kit #52.13 for the Texas & Pacific
50000 series double-sheathed box car. The Prototype Data Sheet states
that
these cars were painted boxcar red with a "brown tone". Is Floquil
Southern
Freight Car Brown an acceptable color? Is there a better choice/mix.
Also,
was the underframe painted the same color? And...where the trucks
painted
the same color? I modeling circa 1939 if that makes a difference.
Jack,
I think Southern FC Brown is probably too light. For 1939 I believe
that ATSF Mineral Brown would be a better choice.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Re: Challenging Kits to build

O Fenton Wells
 

Good input, Mr Welch, I wish I had thought of your idea on the Sunshine
wagontop. Mine came out OK but it was a lot of work to do it as the kit
instructions indicated. I have one more to build that I was puttting off.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM, lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

**


I agree with Pierre about the Vinegar tank car. I think challenging is a
better way to describe this kit.
One of the things I find helpful in building such kits to break them
down into sub-assemblies. Tank cars especially, are easier IMO when done
this way. For example I treat the tank as one assembly and the u/f as
another. This is true whether it it styrene or resin. With resin, one of
the first things I like to do is determine the centerline of the bottom
of the tank and mark/score it. Then I position it on the u/f and center
it end to end using the aforementioned mark to make sure it is squarely
in position. Using tape I secure the two checking as I go to make sure
nothing has moved. Then I drill the holes for the trucks all the way
into the tank. Then I tap both holes and us long screws to secure the
two assemblies. These of course will also secure the trucks. This allows
me to detail the tank and underframe separately, yet test fit accurately
as the work proceeds. I also wait to very end to put weight in the tank.
While ultimately I glue the tank and u/f together, the long screws also
means the assembly of the two will be very solid.
I started doing this with the first of the two Sunshine insulated Type
27 AC&F tank cars I built, which is when I figured out how to draw a
straight line on a cylinder, to mark the centerline on the bottom or the
tank.
To build Sunshine's M-15 and M-53 B&O wagon tops I used a similar
approach, building the u/f with the internal bulkheads first, then
laminating .005 styrene to the edges of the bulkheads and to the
interior of the two sides, which enabled me to assemble the sides to the
internal structure with styrene cement. The ends were similarly
laminated with .005 styrene to compensate for essentially widening the
superstructure.
I do wish purveyors of resin kits would more carefully engineer their
kits so that we did have to re-engineer them. It has kept this sector of
the hobby smaller that it could be.
I am still haunted by the "box-scale" Revell Skyraider that I was never
able to finish building because of the folding wing and landing gear
mechanisms.
Bill Welch

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Re: Texas & Pacific DS box car...

sunbeam13n14
 

Have you looked at the rolling stock pics on the T&P Railway site?
 
Try www.texaspacificrailway.org/rolling-stock
 
Cheers,
Frank

--- On Thu, 9/1/11, Jack Burgess <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com> wrote:


From: Jack Burgess <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Texas & Pacific DS box car...
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 5:43 PM


 



Thanks Ed...

Jack

<Jack,
<I think Southern FC Brown is probably too light. For 1939 I believe
<that ATSF Mineral Brown would be a better choice.
<Regards,
<Ed Hawkins








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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

Armand Premo
 

Almost forgot about those hoppers.I did build five with varying degrees of satisfaction.Armand premo

----- Original Message -----
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



The earliest Westerfield hopper car kits were described by
several modelers as requiring five hands to assemble. One reason I
never tried one.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

And that was just for drilling the tough resin! :-)

Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

The earliest Westerfield hopper car kits were described by
several modelers as requiring five hands to assemble. One reason I
never tried one.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

The earliest Westerfield hopper car kits were described by several modelers as requiring five hands to assemble. One reason I never tried one.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

Armand Premo
 

Hardly an expert,but I have built some Fifty Westerfield kits,I personally think that their ore cars, and NYC stock cars are reasonably difficult .Then I started their Caswell Gondola.It had to have been designed by Freddy..The number of small operating wheels for the drop bottom doors are a time consuming pain in the B---I would have to rate this car as the most challenging of all the Westerfields with which I am familiar......... and I have yet to finish it . ..Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden SAW
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)



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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
>
> I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
> build one of the Sunshine cars.
>
>
>
> SGL
>
>
>
> If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
> pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
> produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
> He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
> build nor for the faint hearted.
>
> Tom Olsen
> Newark, Delaware, 19711
>
>
>
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Re: Texas & Pacific DS box car...

Jack Burgess
 

Thanks Ed...

Jack

<Jack,
<I think Southern FC Brown is probably too light. For 1939 I believe
<that ATSF Mineral Brown would be a better choice.
<Regards,
<Ed Hawkins


Re: Texas & Pacific DS box car...

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 1, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:

I am just starting Sunshine Models' Kit #52.13 for the Texas & Pacific
50000 series double-sheathed box car. The Prototype Data Sheet states
that
these cars were painted boxcar red with a "brown tone". Is Floquil
Southern
Freight Car Brown an acceptable color? Is there a better choice/mix.
Also,
was the underframe painted the same color? And...where the trucks
painted
the same color? I modeling circa 1939 if that makes a difference.
Jack,
I think Southern FC Brown is probably too light. For 1939 I believe
that ATSF Mineral Brown would be a better choice.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Challenging Kits to build

Bill Welch
 

I agree with Pierre about the Vinegar tank car. I think challenging is a
better way to describe this kit.
One of the things I find helpful in building such kits to break them
down into sub-assemblies. Tank cars especially, are easier IMO when done
this way. For example I treat the tank as one assembly and the u/f as
another. This is true whether it it styrene or resin. With resin, one of
the first things I like to do is determine the centerline of the bottom
of the tank and mark/score it. Then I position it on the u/f and center
it end to end using the aforementioned mark to make sure it is squarely
in position. Using tape I secure the two checking as I go to make sure
nothing has moved. Then I drill the holes for the trucks all the way
into the tank. Then I tap both holes and us long screws to secure the
two assemblies. These of course will also secure the trucks. This allows
me to detail the tank and underframe separately, yet test fit accurately
as the work proceeds. I also wait to very end to put weight in the tank.
While ultimately I glue the tank and u/f together, the long screws also
means the assembly of the two will be very solid.
I started doing this with the first of the two Sunshine insulated Type
27 AC&F tank cars I built, which is when I figured out how to draw a
straight line on a cylinder, to mark the centerline on the bottom or the
tank.
To build Sunshine's M-15 and M-53 B&O wagon tops I used a similar
approach, building the u/f with the internal bulkheads first, then
laminating .005 styrene to the edges of the bulkheads and to the
interior of the two sides, which enabled me to assemble the sides to the
internal structure with styrene cement. The ends were similarly
laminated with .005 styrene to compensate for essentially widening the
superstructure.
I do wish purveyors of resin kits would more carefully engineer their
kits so that we did have to re-engineer them. It has kept this sector of
the hobby smaller that it could be.
I am still haunted by the "box-scale" Revell Skyraider that I was never
able to finish building because of the folding wing and landing gear
mechanisms.
Bill Welch


Texas & Pacific DS box car...

Jack Burgess
 

All...

I am just starting Sunshine Models' Kit #52.13 for the Texas & Pacific
50000 series double-sheathed box car. The Prototype Data Sheet states that
these cars were painted boxcar red with a "brown tone". Is Floquil Southern
Freight Car Brown an acceptable color? Is there a better choice/mix. Also,
was the underframe painted the same color? And...where the trucks painted
the same color? I modeling circa 1939 if that makes a difference.

Thanks...

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA


RPM/Western Prototype Modelers Meet

dh30973
 

Please come join us for the RPM/Western Prototype Modeler, 27th Annual, meet at the historic Santa Fe Depot in San Bernardino CA.
The Meet will be held Saturday Sept. 17th 2011 from 9:00 AM – 5:00 PM. There will be clinics during the day, vendors and a great display of models (don't forget to bring your own for display) all roads, scales and eras welcome.
Admission is $15.00 at the door or $10.00 if you bring 3 or more models.
A lot of great raffle prizes will be available to choose from.
Railfan all day without having to chase trains and also see the great Train Museum at the Depot. Parking and admission to the museum are Free

Photos of last years meet:
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/wpm2010&page=all

Also, this Oct. 20-22, 2011 in Lisle, Il. RPM will be presenting the 18th annual Conference, formerly the Sunshine Models Naperville meet, at the Hickory Ridge Marriott Hotel. Same great event as in years past, different location. The city of Lisle is right next door to Naperville.

For vendor info or questions and registration for the Lisle meet contact
Joe D'Elia (760-721-3393 or ppw-aline@att.net ) complete info about both meets on web-site:
http://www.railroadprototypemodelers.com


Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Gentlemen,
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:38 AM, randy arnold <61mkii@gmail.com> wrote:

**


Go to the messages folder click advanced search and do a search using
"author contains": darnaby

I just did the same..it is fairly close to the end of the messages

Regards Randy

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@gmail.com
wrote:
Elden, Where would I find Darnaby's kit building suggestions? I have one
of
those to build and need all the help I can get.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <
elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:

**


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building
the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I
feel
that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've
now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building
process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted.
If
you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin
kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit
maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the
vinegar
tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

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"Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number
of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

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Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

randy arnold
 

Go to the messages folder click advanced search and do a search using
"author contains": darnaby

I just did the same..it is fairly close to the end of the messages

Regards Randy

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@gmail.com>wrote:

Elden, Where would I find Darnaby's kit building suggestions? I have one
of
those to build and need all the help I can get.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <
elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:

**


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building
the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel
that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've
now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building
process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If
you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin
kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar
tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

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"Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Wow, that is very interesting!

Thanks, Pierre.

Elden Gatwood

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Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:21 AM
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Lest I go on for hours, I'll restrict myself to 2 onlist; Sylvan's Canadian
Slabside hoppers NorWest's CC&F tankcar.
The tankcar is almost unbuildable once Brian Pate had someone else do his
casting for him.
Both are cars I refuse to undertake for clients.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

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Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood


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Behalf Of Pierre
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building
the vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I
feel that it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult
kit. I've now built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's
suggested building process and just plain thinking it through, 3
rather nice cars have resulted. If you approach the task logically it's
really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin
kits out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit
maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the
vinegar tank car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

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<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@>
wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number
of pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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