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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

MDelvec952
 

New York City was also an import point for produce and many other items in society, including many slaughterhouses. Bananas, for example, were huge business, transloaded from ships and put into fleets of reefers.

....Mike Del Vecchio

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:45 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York





I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.






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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Tim O'Connor
 

I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Tim O'Connor
 

For Connecticut, I think its pretty save to say the New Haven was in
> every county and had a monopoly

Not a complete monopoly. The Central Vermont ran all the way to the
Connecticut shore, at New London.

Tim O'


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bryan Busséy
 

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

On 9/2/2011 2:49 PM, lnbill wrote:

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, Bryan
Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New
York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate âEUR" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Kings, Bronx,
Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Connecticut
(all) âEUR"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Massachusetts
âEUR" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. âEUR" New York âEUR"
Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe
a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Chemung, Schuyler,
Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York âEUR" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bryan Busséy
 

Oak Point is in the Bronx.

bb

On 9/2/2011 2:49 PM, lnbill wrote:

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, Bryan
Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New
York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate âEUR" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Kings, Bronx,
Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Connecticut
(all) âEUR"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Massachusetts
âEUR" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. âEUR" New York âEUR"
Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe
a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Chemung, Schuyler,
Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York âEUR" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Schneider
 

That's embarrassing... I forgot Maybrook (the O&W interchange... Jeez!)

Oak Point is in the Bronx (New York City).

Bill Schneider

From: lnbill
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 2:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York




Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY (Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, Bryan Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate â€" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. â€" New York â€" Kings, Bronx, Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. â€" Connecticut (all) â€"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. â€" Massachusetts â€" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. â€" New York â€" Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. â€" New York â€" Chemung, Schuyler, Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York â€" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com




Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Welch
 

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY (Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Bryan Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate â€" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. â€" New York â€" Kings, Bronx, Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. â€" Connecticut (all) â€"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. â€" Massachusetts â€" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. â€" New York â€" Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. â€" New York â€" Chemung, Schuyler, Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York â€" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Diversion Errors

Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Many of you know about "diversions", the system by which shippers were allowed to divert cars in transit with their loads to alternate destinations to obtain a better price for the commodities.

As you can image, there was a lot of telegraphy and paperwork involved in this system. As Richard Hendrickson put it, "Diversions…kept a small army of clerks busy at the keyboards of typewriters and Teletype machines".

So what happened when there were diversion errors? Apparently an error resulted in a claim being filed against the errant railroad. Here is an example from the Milwaukee Magazine of October 1928. The magazine was a house organ for that railroad.

"Diversion Failure

SFRD 16432, 19456 and 70007, fresh vegetables, were forwarded from Hollandale, Minn., September 12, 1927. After cars had been forwarded instructions were received to reconsign car 16432 to Chicago, the other two cars being diverted to St. Louis. However, in handling the instructions, the reconsigning clerk at Blank Yard diverted all three cars to St. Louis, this resulting in claim in the amount of $150.42, representing the difference between the price which could have been obtained at Chicago and the price which was actually obtained at St. Louis."

Does anyone have other examples of diversion errors, especially gross errors?

Did diversion errors by the railroads always result in monetary claims or were there other remedies for the shippers?

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/


Re: Challenging Kits to build

Jim Barnes
 

Great modeling tip, one that I will definitely use on my tank car builds.  Thanks for posting.
Jim Barnes
 
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Challenging Kits to build

 
Bill Welch wrote:
One very nice innovation is Jon Cagle's inclusion of heavy laser
scored/cut paper templates to help mark the handrail stanchions on
the tank.
It would be easy for the kit purveyor/designer to score the bottom
of the tank pattern with its centerline
I agree with Bill that the bottom centerline is a crucial
benchmark. But once you have it, you can make a paper strip which
wraps around the tank and just meets at the bottom centerline, and
then simply mark it for things like handrail stanchion height and end
grab iron location. I use that technique on lots of tank projects, not
just resin.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

 
 

 


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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Does the writer mean before Conrail or now?

The Central Vermont ran north from Norwich, CT through Palmer to
Brattleboro. The Boston and Albany ran from Boston to Albany with some
branch lines, none in Connecticut. Of course the B&M ran from Boston to
Troy, Springfield to White River Jct, and other line radiating from
Boston.

Joel Holmes




For Connecticut, I think its pretty save to say the New Haven was in
every
county and had a monopoly

For Massachusetts
Barnstable New Haven
Plymouth New Haven
Bristol New Haven
Norfolk New Haven
Suffolk New Haven, B&M, B&A
Essex B&M
Middlesex B&M, New Haven, B&A
Worcester B&M, New Haven, B&A
Hampden New Haven
Hampshire B&M, New Haven, B&A
Franklin B&M
Berkshire B&M, New Haven, B&A


Roger Hinman


--- In STMFC@..., Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bryan Busséy
 

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate – New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. – New York – Kings, Bronx, Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. – Connecticut (all) –
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. – Massachusetts – Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. – New York – Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. – New York – Chemung, Schuyler, Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York – Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

ROGER HINMAN
 

For Connecticut, I think its pretty save to say the New Haven was in every county and had a monopoly

For Massachusetts
Barnstable New Haven
Plymouth New Haven
Bristol New Haven
Norfolk New Haven
Suffolk New Haven, B&M, B&A
Essex B&M
Middlesex B&M, New Haven, B&A
Worcester B&M, New Haven, B&A
Hampden New Haven
Hampshire B&M, New Haven, B&A
Franklin B&M
Berkshire B&M, New Haven, B&A


Roger Hinman

--- In STMFC@..., Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Schneider
 

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate – New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. – New York – Kings, Bronx, Queens, Nassau, Suffolk Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. – Connecticut (all) – Fairfield, Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and Windham counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. – Massachusetts – Hampden, Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex, Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. – New York – Orange, Sullivan, Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe a few smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. – New York – Chemung, Schuyler, Seneca, Wayne, Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York – Richmond County (?)
___________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York




Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com


Lehigh Valley Black Diamond

Ed Hawkins
 

STMFC members,
Does anyone know the precise size of the LV diamond (point to point dimensions) used on their 52'-6" gondola cars, specifically 32000-32599 (1941-1942) and 32850-33699 (1950 and 1952)? I've scaled a photo and came up with 21" high by 33" long, but I would like to know the official dimension if it's known. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Welch
 

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: End Numbers

rdgbuff56
 

Tim,
     You will find photos on Trainlife site.  Rail Model Journal - October, 2002 issue.  I have not yet read the article.  Seems like a simple kit -bash.  Caption under photo says 1948 car order.
 
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] End Numbers


 


I've seen photos of LV hoppers with the LV emblem AND a stenciled car number,
but I've never seen a photo of one with the number inside the emblem! When was
LV 19000 built?

Champ decals actually made the 10" herald for the hoppers: HH-281

Tim O'Connor

At 8/30/2011 08:01 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
I recently saw a photo in a magazine of a Lehigh Valley 19000 series ribbed offset-side hopper that had its end number painted in a black diamond. It was car number 19000. Did any other roads use their herald on the end of their cars?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.



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SP F-50-4 was Re: Flat car

jerryglow2
 

Mike has had me produce and has ordered decals for his project so I assume they'll be included or offered thru him. I will offer them in other scales directly.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Calvert" <mike.calvert@...> wrote:

Thanks to Clark Propst and Tom Madden for their replies.
Both responses are correct, but I should have included "SP/UP F-50-4" in my
question.

I am producing an O scale kit and need the correct name for the
Instructions.
Mike Calvert


Re: Texas & Pacific DS box car...

sunbeam13n14
 

Hi Ed -
 
Just re-read your article on T&P Box Cars that appeared in volume 25 no.1 of The Eagle.
I should have read it before offering my observations.
 
I was definitely wrong about the M.O.W. car we both had seen in Grand Prairie; it was X4429.
 
Thank you for your corrections.
 
Frank

--- On Thu, 9/1/11, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


From: Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Texas & Pacific DS box car...
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 10:44 PM


 




On Sep 1, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Frank Fertitta wrote:

I grew up in the Dallas - Ft Worth area and passed through Grand
Prairie (the "mid cities" area) many many times during the sixties and
seventies. The Texas & Pacific main is doubled tracked through Grand
Prairie right beside Highway 80 and I saw M.O.W. box car X4556 (photo
on the T&P site) spotted on a spur near the LTV plant several times.
 
As I recall its color was typical of the T&P rolling stock that was
still carrying T&P reporting marks. That is, its box cars, (as well as
the M-K-T's for that matter) had a more reddish tint than the other
box cars you might see in a typical train.
 
Far be it for me to question Ed Hawkins' freight car knowledge but my
recollection would place T&P box cars' color closer to Tuscan than any
box car brown paint I've seen or used. If the paints used in the
thirties and forties were different, I wouldn't know.
Frank,
You're absolutely correct that during the 1950s (and later) that T&P's
freight cars were red-brown in color. The original question involved a
T&P 50000-series double-sheathed box car as it would have appeared in
1939. Before the early 1940s, box cars for all but a few railroads
(Union Pacific being a major exception) were a relatively dark shade of
brown. Some had a hint of red, but brown was the ruling hue. In
addition, these paints were flat. During the 1940s and throughout World
War II, the paints began to change formulation, and by the postwar
period were much brighter and most with a sheen when applied. Even
"Santa Fe Mineral Brown" changed significantly from 1941 (very much a
dark brown) to 1948 (a glossy red-brown hue, not at all unlike T&P used
during this later time period). Actual paint chips for cars built from
the early 1930s to 1952 are contained in numerous ACF bills of
materials. These paint samples can be viewed by anyone wanting see them
by arranging a visit to the St. Louis Mercantile Library.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)

roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
 

Then I started their Caswell Gondola.It had to have been designed by Freddy..The number of small operating wheels for the drop bottom doors are a time consuming pain in the B---I would have to rate this car as the most challenging of all the Westerfields with which I am familiar......... and I have yet to finish it . ..Armand Premo

Armand

I'm no expert either but I built two of these kits some time ago and had a great time doing it, I have posted a couple of pictures in the photos section under ATSF Caswells, hopefully they will turn up soon when approved by the moderator. I didn't get around to weathering them as they were sold almost after they were built when a friend offered more than I was able to refuse when he saw them. Loved the kits and really miss Al's products.

Regards
Rob Mclear
Brisbane Australia.


Texas & Pacific DS box car...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Frank Fertitta wrote:
I grew up in the Dallas - Ft Worth area . . . many many times during the sixties and seventies I saw M.O.W. box car X4556 (photo on the T&P site) spotted on a spur near the LTV plant several times. As I recall its color was typical of the T&P rolling stock that was still carrying T&P reporting marks. That is, its box cars, (as well as the M-K-T's for that matter) had a more reddish tint than the other box cars you might see in a typical train.
I guess I would feel a trifle nervous to base a color decision about a box car in 1939 (when Jack models) on RECOLLECTIONS of the color of an MOW box car from the sixties and seventies. No disrespect, Frank, but color memory, even if era-precise, is notoriously unreliable. If I were Jack, I suppose I would take the comment as a single data point and hope for a bunch of better ones.

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