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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Welch
 

Absolutely not.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...> wrote:

GUYZ<
 
Another thought is iced fish products, though I doubt any FGE cars were used for it.
 
Fred Freitas

From: Bryan Busséy <bbussey@...>
To: STMFC@...
Cc: lnbill <fgexbill@...>
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York


 
The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

On 9/2/2011 2:49 PM, lnbill wrote:

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, Bryan
Busséy <bbussey@> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New
York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate âEUR" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Kings, Bronx,
Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Connecticut
(all) âEUR"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Massachusetts
âEUR" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. âEUR" New York âEUR"
Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe
a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Chemung, Schuyler,
Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York âEUR" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Welch
 

I think you are probably correct Bill. However both the Long Island and SIRT railroads had a "Refrigerator Car Contract" with FGE which meant they were loading perishable commodities on their lines. Why else would FGE be furnishing them cars? Oak Brook seems out of position be handling this traffic. However it listed as an "Initial Icing" facility, albeit an "Emergency" facility.

St George could have iced cars ordered by SIRT perhaps, as they handed off to the B&O, unclear about cars from the LI.

This is all part of a picture I am trying to sort out.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill Schneider" <bschneider424@...> wrote:

Bill,

My guess (and it’s only a guess) is that the New York icing facilities would be for cars being interchanged or held for the numerous car float connections. That well known expert of everything (!) Wikipedia lists some of the operations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_float

Bill Schneider

From: lnbill
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 5:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York


Tim

Your question gets at the heart of just one of the many questions I am trying to sort out about FGE operations. They would have been carrying Cranberries headed west and south, hence possibly the reason for the facility at Oak Brook. (What else were they growing in Conn. and Mass., anyone?) Another seeming anomaly: the B&O had a "Regular, All Year, Initial & Re-Icing" facility at St George on Staten Island. I am trying to figure out what they were growing on Staten Island that the SIRT railroad and the B&O were shipping out.

A Reference Librarian at Cornell's Mann Library, their Agricultural Library, is trying to help me with such questions about New York produce.

Bill Welch

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:


I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor



The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.






Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ<
 
Another thought is iced fish products, though I doubt any FGE cars were used for it.
 
Fred Freitas

From: Bryan Busséy <bbussey@...>
To: STMFC@...
Cc: lnbill <fgexbill@...>
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York


 
The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

On 9/2/2011 2:49 PM, lnbill wrote:

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, Bryan
Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New
York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate âEUR" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Kings, Bronx,
Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Connecticut
(all) âEUR"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Massachusetts
âEUR" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. âEUR" New York âEUR"
Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe
a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Chemung, Schuyler,
Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York âEUR" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,
 
Would the shade grown tobacco from Conn. be shipped in ice cars?
It was a big crop in the 50's & 60's.
 
Fred Freitas

From: "MDelvec952@..." <MDelvec952@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York


 


New York City was also an import point for produce and many other items in society, including many slaughterhouses. Bananas, for example, were huge business, transloaded from ships and put into fleets of reefers.

....Mike Del Vecchio

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:45 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.
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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Schneider
 

Bill,

My guess (and it’s only a guess) is that the New York icing facilities would be for cars being interchanged or held for the numerous car float connections. That well known expert of everything (!) Wikipedia lists some of the operations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_float

Bill Schneider

From: lnbill
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 5:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York


Tim

Your question gets at the heart of just one of the many questions I am trying to sort out about FGE operations. They would have been carrying Cranberries headed west and south, hence possibly the reason for the facility at Oak Brook. (What else were they growing in Conn. and Mass., anyone?) Another seeming anomaly: the B&O had a "Regular, All Year, Initial & Re-Icing" facility at St George on Staten Island. I am trying to figure out what they were growing on Staten Island that the SIRT railroad and the B&O were shipping out.

A Reference Librarian at Cornell's Mann Library, their Agricultural Library, is trying to help me with such questions about New York produce.

Bill Welch

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor



The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.




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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Welch
 

Tim

Your question gets at the heart of just one of the many questions I am trying to sort out about FGE operations. They would have been carrying Cranberries headed west and south, hence possibly the reason for the facility at Oak Brook. (What else were they growing in Conn. and Mass., anyone?) Another seeming anomaly: the B&O had a "Regular, All Year, Initial & Re-Icing" facility at St George on Staten Island. I am trying to figure out what they were growing on Staten Island that the SIRT railroad and the B&O were shipping out.

A Reference Librarian at Cornell's Mann Library, their Agricultural Library, is trying to help me with such questions about New York produce.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor



The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.


Painting underframes

John F. Cizmar
 

What is the consensus regarding painting the underside of steam era freight cars?  To date, I've painted all grimy black with a touch to a blast of "earthy" weathering.
John F. Cizmar 

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Tim O'Connor
 

Right! I'd forgotten about the bananas. And yes, potatoes from Maine and
blueberries/cranberries might pass through westbound (although I suspect
most long haul westbound and southbound traffic from the New Haven went
via the Maybrook gateway).

Tim O'Connor


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mike Del Vecchio wrote:
New York City was also an import point for produce and many other items in society, including many slaughterhouses. Bananas, for example, were huge business, transloaded from ships and put into fleets of reefers.
Those bananas weren't iced, though.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: FGE thread and crappy proofreading

MDelvec952
 

Geepers forgive my english below -- in a hurry to get out of the office.

Slaughterhouses weren't imported, of course, but there were many around the City. Not much meat originated in New York compared to that which terminated, but some did.

....Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: MDelvec952 <MDelvec952@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York






New York City was also an import point for produce and many other items in society, including many slaughterhouses. Bananas, for example, were huge business, transloaded from ships and put into fleets of reefers.

....Mike Del Vecchio

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:45 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.
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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bryan Busséy
 

Tim,

Possibly because that was NH's west-end terminus from which they
performed major carfloat operations to New Jersey and other points in
the City.

bb

On 9/2/2011 3:44 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

MDelvec952
 

New York City was also an import point for produce and many other items in society, including many slaughterhouses. Bananas, for example, were huge business, transloaded from ships and put into fleets of reefers.

....Mike Del Vecchio

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:45 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York





I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.






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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Tim O'Connor
 

I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Tim O'Connor
 

For Connecticut, I think its pretty save to say the New Haven was in
> every county and had a monopoly

Not a complete monopoly. The Central Vermont ran all the way to the
Connecticut shore, at New London.

Tim O'


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bryan Busséy
 

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

On 9/2/2011 2:49 PM, lnbill wrote:

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, Bryan
Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New
York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate âEUR" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Kings, Bronx,
Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Connecticut
(all) âEUR"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Massachusetts
âEUR" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. âEUR" New York âEUR"
Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe
a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Chemung, Schuyler,
Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York âEUR" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bryan Busséy
 

Oak Point is in the Bronx.

bb

On 9/2/2011 2:49 PM, lnbill wrote:

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, Bryan
Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New
York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate âEUR" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Kings, Bronx,
Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Connecticut
(all) âEUR"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Massachusetts
âEUR" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. âEUR" New York âEUR"
Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe
a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Chemung, Schuyler,
Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York âEUR" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Schneider
 

That's embarrassing... I forgot Maybrook (the O&W interchange... Jeez!)

Oak Point is in the Bronx (New York City).

Bill Schneider

From: lnbill
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 2:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York




Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY (Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, Bryan Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate â€" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. â€" New York â€" Kings, Bronx, Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. â€" Connecticut (all) â€"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. â€" Massachusetts â€" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. â€" New York â€" Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. â€" New York â€" Chemung, Schuyler, Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York â€" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com




Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Welch
 

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY (Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Bryan Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate â€" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. â€" New York â€" Kings, Bronx, Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. â€" Connecticut (all) â€"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. â€" Massachusetts â€" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. â€" New York â€" Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. â€" New York â€" Chemung, Schuyler, Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York â€" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Diversion Errors

Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Many of you know about "diversions", the system by which shippers were allowed to divert cars in transit with their loads to alternate destinations to obtain a better price for the commodities.

As you can image, there was a lot of telegraphy and paperwork involved in this system. As Richard Hendrickson put it, "Diversions…kept a small army of clerks busy at the keyboards of typewriters and Teletype machines".

So what happened when there were diversion errors? Apparently an error resulted in a claim being filed against the errant railroad. Here is an example from the Milwaukee Magazine of October 1928. The magazine was a house organ for that railroad.

"Diversion Failure

SFRD 16432, 19456 and 70007, fresh vegetables, were forwarded from Hollandale, Minn., September 12, 1927. After cars had been forwarded instructions were received to reconsign car 16432 to Chicago, the other two cars being diverted to St. Louis. However, in handling the instructions, the reconsigning clerk at Blank Yard diverted all three cars to St. Louis, this resulting in claim in the amount of $150.42, representing the difference between the price which could have been obtained at Chicago and the price which was actually obtained at St. Louis."

Does anyone have other examples of diversion errors, especially gross errors?

Did diversion errors by the railroads always result in monetary claims or were there other remedies for the shippers?

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/


Re: Challenging Kits to build

Jim Barnes
 

Great modeling tip, one that I will definitely use on my tank car builds.  Thanks for posting.
Jim Barnes
 
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Challenging Kits to build

 
Bill Welch wrote:
One very nice innovation is Jon Cagle's inclusion of heavy laser
scored/cut paper templates to help mark the handrail stanchions on
the tank.
It would be easy for the kit purveyor/designer to score the bottom
of the tank pattern with its centerline
I agree with Bill that the bottom centerline is a crucial
benchmark. But once you have it, you can make a paper strip which
wraps around the tank and just meets at the bottom centerline, and
then simply mark it for things like handrail stanchion height and end
grab iron location. I use that technique on lots of tank projects, not
just resin.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

 
 

 


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