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Re: Lehigh Valley Black Diamond

Bud Rindfleisch
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

STMFC members,
Does anyone know the precise size of the LV diamond (point to point
dimensions) used on their 52'-6" gondola cars, specifically 32000-32599
(1941-1942) and 32850-33699 (1950 and 1952)? I've scaled a photo and
came up with 21" high by 33" long, but I would like to know the
official dimension if it's known. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Ed, I have copies of the original painting diagrams which the Anthracite Railroads Historical Society had done up a few years ago. I will dig them out and get back to you on the diamond dimensions.
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Lehigh Valley Black Diamond

Layout Tour
 

Hi Ed,

The 41-42 cars all used LV Style 1 diamonds which were 33' wide and 20" high with 9" high letters, so you almost had it perfect. I can try to scan the drawing for you if that will help.

The 4'4" diamonds weren't introduced until 1955.

Chuck Davis
Norfolk, VA

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

STMFC members,
Does anyone know the precise size of the LV diamond (point to point
dimensions) used on their 52'-6" gondola cars, specifically 32000-32599
(1941-1942) and 32850-33699 (1950 and 1952)? I've scaled a photo and
came up with 21" high by 33" long, but I would like to know the
official dimension if it's known. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: End Numbers

Layout Tour
 

Francis,

I looked at Vic Roseman's article in the Oct 2002 issue of RMJ (http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/196/14287/october-2002-page-13). The photo of the prototype car is 12900 and the car number is stenciled under the Diamond as Tim mentioned. The LV company drawings and all the photos I've seen have the number under the diamond.

The black diamonds on the sides and ends were introduced in 1939 when the LV switched from black to freight car red on most of their freight cars. The end diamonds were 16 1/2" wide and 10" high with the 4 1'2" LV letters in white.

Dan Hicks is the only one I'm aware of that currently has accurate decals available for this car. He doesn't have a website, but you can email him at dhickstrains@... and he'll send you his list of eastern road decals.

Thanks for the reminder about the Trainlife site. I now have it bookmarked.

Chuck Davis
Norfolk, VA

--- In STMFC@..., "Francis A. Pehowic, Jr." <rdgbuff56@...> wrote:

Tim,
     You will find photos on Trainlife site.  Rail Model Journal - October, 2002 issue.  I have not yet read the article.  Seems like a simple kit -bash.  Caption under photo says 1948 car order.
 
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] End Numbers


 


I've seen photos of LV hoppers with the LV emblem AND a stenciled car number,
but I've never seen a photo of one with the number inside the emblem! When was
LV 19000 built?

Champ decals actually made the 10" herald for the hoppers: HH-281

Tim O'Connor

At 8/30/2011 08:01 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
I recently saw a photo in a magazine of a Lehigh Valley 19000 series ribbed offset-side hopper that had its end number painted in a black diamond. It was car number 19000. Did any other roads use their herald on the end of their cars?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.



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Houser Collection

Gene <mopac1@...>
 

Is anyone on the list familiar with the "Houser Collection"? I am looking for contact information of the Mr. Houser or the current owner of the collection.

Thanks,

Gene Semon


Contact Informat for Frank Kozempel

Gene <mopac1@...>
 

Can anyone on the list supply ,e with contact information for Mr. Frank Kozempel of Cinnaminson, New Jersey? I need to contact him about some photo information.

Thanks,

Gene Semon


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill Schneider" <bschneider424@...> wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -
Chautauqua, Cattaraugus, Allegany, Steuben, Erie, Niagara, Wyoming, Genesee, Livingston, Monroe, Chemung, Tioga, Broome, Delaware, Sullivan, Orange, Rockland, New York, Bronx Counties


Nickel Plate â€" New York -
Chautauqua and Erie Counties

-- hth --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Tim O'Connor
 

Apples were grown in great quantities in Massachusetts. Also dairy products
like butter, cheese, ice cream from processors in Massachusetts and Connecticut.
And I'd forgotten about seafood products that could be shipped in freight reefers
like salted cod, frozen fish, whatever.

At 9/2/2011 06:18 PM Friday, you wrote:
I think you are probably correct Bill. However both the Long Island and SIRT railroads had a "Refrigerator Car Contract" with FGE which meant they were loading perishable commodities on their lines. Why else would FGE be furnishing them cars? Oak Brook seems out of position be handling this traffic. However it listed as an "Initial Icing" facility, albeit an "Emergency" facility.

St George could have iced cars ordered by SIRT perhaps, as they handed off to the B&O, unclear about cars from the LI.

This is all part of a picture I am trying to sort out.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill Schneider" <bschneider424@...> wrote:

Bill,

My guess (and it’s only a guess) is that the New York icing facilities would be for cars being interchanged or held for the numerous car float connections. That well known expert of everything (!) Wikipedia lists some of the operations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_float

Bill Schneider


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Peter Ness
 

Bill,

You dind't ask about RI, so maybe there's no icing there, but it is between parts of CT and MA...

New York, New Haven & Hartford in Rhode Island:
Counties:
Bristol, Kent, Newport, Providence and Washington

Not sure if there was icing, but there was meat packing.

Commodities in the New Haven region (at least into the '50's); cranberries, fish, apples, pears, corn, tomatoes, berries (straw, rasp, blue and black in addition to cran) poultry...were eggs shipped by rail?

I'm getting hungry.

Regards,
Peter Ness

----- Original Message -----
From: lnbill
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 5:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York



Tim

Your question gets at the heart of just one of the many questions I am trying to sort out about FGE operations. They would have been carrying Cranberries headed west and south, hence possibly the reason for the facility at Oak Brook. (What else were they growing in Conn. and Mass., anyone?) Another seeming anomaly: the B&O had a "Regular, All Year, Initial & Re-Icing" facility at St George on Staten Island. I am trying to figure out what they were growing on Staten Island that the SIRT railroad and the B&O were shipping out.

A Reference Librarian at Cornell's Mann Library, their Agricultural Library, is trying to help me with such questions about New York produce.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
> Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
> not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
> icing stations at destinations?
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
>
>
> >The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
> >Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
> >County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
> >icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.
> >
> >bb
> >
> >> Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
> >> FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
> >> (Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
> >> Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
> >> York.
>


Re: Painting underframes

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:40 PM, John F. Cizmar wrote:

What is the consensus regarding painting the underside of steam era
freight cars? To date, I've painted all grimy black with a touch
to a blast of "earthy" weathering.
John F. Cizmar
It's hard to generalize, John. Many new cars had underframes and
trucks painted black, but there were exceptions; Union Pacific, for
example, specified oxide red on the entire car, whether new or
repainted. And many RRs made a practice of repainting entire cars
mineral red, including underframes and trucks. Of course, after a
car had been in service for a year or two, it didn't matter what
color the underframe was painted as oil from the truck journals
combined with trackside dirt and dust to coat the entire underframe a
grimy black. So what you're doing is okay except perhaps on a model
that represents a brand new or newly repainted car that hasn't been
out of the paint shop for very long.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Welch
 

Absolutely not.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...> wrote:

GUYZ<
 
Another thought is iced fish products, though I doubt any FGE cars were used for it.
 
Fred Freitas

From: Bryan Busséy <bbussey@...>
To: STMFC@...
Cc: lnbill <fgexbill@...>
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York


 
The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

On 9/2/2011 2:49 PM, lnbill wrote:

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, Bryan
Busséy <bbussey@> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New
York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate âEUR" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Kings, Bronx,
Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Connecticut
(all) âEUR"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Massachusetts
âEUR" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. âEUR" New York âEUR"
Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe
a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Chemung, Schuyler,
Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York âEUR" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Welch
 

I think you are probably correct Bill. However both the Long Island and SIRT railroads had a "Refrigerator Car Contract" with FGE which meant they were loading perishable commodities on their lines. Why else would FGE be furnishing them cars? Oak Brook seems out of position be handling this traffic. However it listed as an "Initial Icing" facility, albeit an "Emergency" facility.

St George could have iced cars ordered by SIRT perhaps, as they handed off to the B&O, unclear about cars from the LI.

This is all part of a picture I am trying to sort out.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill Schneider" <bschneider424@...> wrote:

Bill,

My guess (and it’s only a guess) is that the New York icing facilities would be for cars being interchanged or held for the numerous car float connections. That well known expert of everything (!) Wikipedia lists some of the operations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_float

Bill Schneider

From: lnbill
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 5:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York


Tim

Your question gets at the heart of just one of the many questions I am trying to sort out about FGE operations. They would have been carrying Cranberries headed west and south, hence possibly the reason for the facility at Oak Brook. (What else were they growing in Conn. and Mass., anyone?) Another seeming anomaly: the B&O had a "Regular, All Year, Initial & Re-Icing" facility at St George on Staten Island. I am trying to figure out what they were growing on Staten Island that the SIRT railroad and the B&O were shipping out.

A Reference Librarian at Cornell's Mann Library, their Agricultural Library, is trying to help me with such questions about New York produce.

Bill Welch

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:


I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor



The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.






Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ<
 
Another thought is iced fish products, though I doubt any FGE cars were used for it.
 
Fred Freitas

From: Bryan Busséy <bbussey@...>
To: STMFC@...
Cc: lnbill <fgexbill@...>
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York


 
The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

On 9/2/2011 2:49 PM, lnbill wrote:

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.

Maybrook is in Orange County. I have figured out where Oak Point is yet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, Bryan
Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

The NYNH&H also operated in New York: The Maybrook Line (Orange,
Dutchess) and the Main Line (Westchester, Bronx, Queens, Kings, New
York).

bb

On 9/2/2011 12:04 PM, Bill Schneider wrote:

Here's a start Bill. I'm sure that others can fill in some blanks.

Bill Schneider

Erie Railroad Co. - New York -

Nickel Plate âEUR" New York -

Long Island Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Kings, Bronx,
Queens, Nassau,
Suffolk
Counties

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Connecticut
(all) âEUR"
Fairfield,
Litchfield, New Haven, Middlesex, Hartford, Tolland, New London and
Windham
counties
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. âEUR" Massachusetts
âEUR" Hampden,
Berkshire, Barnstaple, Plymouth, Bristol, Norfolk, Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester, Hampshire.

New York, Ontario & Western Railway Co. âEUR" New York âEUR"
Orange, Sullivan,
Ulster, Delaware, Ostego, Oneida, Oswego, Rockland Counties (maybe
a few
smaller ones as well)

Pennsylvania Railroad Co. âEUR" New York âEUR" Chemung, Schuyler,
Seneca, Wayne,
Cattaraugus, Erie, (maybe others)

Staten Island Rapid Transit Ry. - New York âEUR" Richmond County (?)
__________________________________________________________

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:18 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Gentleman:

Using the list of FGE contracted railroads from my message # 102650
as a reference, can those of you familiar with the railroads with
trackage in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York, please send me
a message identifying which ones operated in each of the three
states. I know the Long Island Railroad served Suffolk County and the
Staten Island Rapid Transit served Staten Island/Richmond County. I
realize some may be obvious but in this case I would appreciate it
you assume I know nothing.

Further, if you know which counties the particular RR's in question
served in each state that would be very helpful also. I have USDA
info with loadings by county and I am trying to sort out who would
have been loading "what" and "when?"

Thanks in advance for your help!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,
 
Would the shade grown tobacco from Conn. be shipped in ice cars?
It was a big crop in the 50's & 60's.
 
Fred Freitas

From: "MDelvec952@..." <MDelvec952@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York


 


New York City was also an import point for produce and many other items in society, including many slaughterhouses. Bananas, for example, were huge business, transloaded from ships and put into fleets of reefers.

....Mike Del Vecchio

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:45 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.
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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Schneider
 

Bill,

My guess (and it’s only a guess) is that the New York icing facilities would be for cars being interchanged or held for the numerous car float connections. That well known expert of everything (!) Wikipedia lists some of the operations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_float

Bill Schneider

From: lnbill
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 5:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York


Tim

Your question gets at the heart of just one of the many questions I am trying to sort out about FGE operations. They would have been carrying Cranberries headed west and south, hence possibly the reason for the facility at Oak Brook. (What else were they growing in Conn. and Mass., anyone?) Another seeming anomaly: the B&O had a "Regular, All Year, Initial & Re-Icing" facility at St George on Staten Island. I am trying to figure out what they were growing on Staten Island that the SIRT railroad and the B&O were shipping out.

A Reference Librarian at Cornell's Mann Library, their Agricultural Library, is trying to help me with such questions about New York produce.

Bill Welch

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor



The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.




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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bill Welch
 

Tim

Your question gets at the heart of just one of the many questions I am trying to sort out about FGE operations. They would have been carrying Cranberries headed west and south, hence possibly the reason for the facility at Oak Brook. (What else were they growing in Conn. and Mass., anyone?) Another seeming anomaly: the B&O had a "Regular, All Year, Initial & Re-Icing" facility at St George on Staten Island. I am trying to figure out what they were growing on Staten Island that the SIRT railroad and the B&O were shipping out.

A Reference Librarian at Cornell's Mann Library, their Agricultural Library, is trying to help me with such questions about New York produce.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor



The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.


Painting underframes

John F. Cizmar
 

What is the consensus regarding painting the underside of steam era freight cars?  To date, I've painted all grimy black with a touch to a blast of "earthy" weathering.
John F. Cizmar 

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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Tim O'Connor
 

Right! I'd forgotten about the bananas. And yes, potatoes from Maine and
blueberries/cranberries might pass through westbound (although I suspect
most long haul westbound and southbound traffic from the New Haven went
via the Maybrook gateway).

Tim O'Connor


Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mike Del Vecchio wrote:
New York City was also an import point for produce and many other items in society, including many slaughterhouses. Bananas, for example, were huge business, transloaded from ships and put into fleets of reefers.
Those bananas weren't iced, though.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: FGE thread and crappy proofreading

MDelvec952
 

Geepers forgive my english below -- in a hurry to get out of the office.

Slaughterhouses weren't imported, of course, but there were many around the City. Not much meat originated in New York compared to that which terminated, but some did.

....Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: MDelvec952 <MDelvec952@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York






New York City was also an import point for produce and many other items in society, including many slaughterhouses. Bananas, for example, were huge business, transloaded from ships and put into fleets of reefers.

....Mike Del Vecchio

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:45 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.
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Re: FGE in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York

Bryan Busséy
 

Tim,

Possibly because that was NH's west-end terminus from which they
performed major carfloat operations to New Jersey and other points in
the City.

bb

On 9/2/2011 3:44 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


I'm curious, why would there be an icing station in the Bronx?
Wouldn't the Bronx be a -destination- for refrigerator cars, and
not so much an origin, or transit point? Was it common to have
icing stations at destinations?

Tim O'Connor

The Pennsylvania (50% partner with the NYNH&H of the New York Connecting
Railroad and owner of the LIRR) also operated in Kings County and Queens
County as well as New York County. I don't know if there was an FGE
icing station in New York City Proper other than Oak Point.

bb

Yes thanks Byron, I was intending to ask about that. My database of
FGE Icing stations shows two Icing locales on the NYNH&H--Maybrook, NY
(Regular, Al-Year, Initial & Reicing) and Oak Point, NY (Emergency,
Al-Year, Initial & Reicing)--so I thought it must have trackage in New
York.

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