Gentleman:

I wonder if there is anyone on this list that has LEVERAGE with the
RR Museum in Galesburg, IL or knows anyone that does? If so please
send me a message at the email address below.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...

Mark,

If you have not already done so, check out the PRR projects group an Yehaw (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRRPro/) We did the H21 class a while ago and there are a number of photos there that might help plus discussion in the archives. Additionally, the Westerfield H21 kit has very nice brake rigging. This project was also covered in The Keystone Modeler, No 41, Dec 2006.

On the H21a, the air line passes between the center sill channels, making it invisible. The brake rigging consists of 2 parallel rods between the two brake levers and below the center sill. These attach to a triangle sticking off of the brake lever. The brake lever on the B-end has a
rod attaching to each end - one from the truck (brakes) and one from the brake cylinder. The lever on the A end only has one rod, the one
attached to the trucks.

Hope this helps
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

GREAT pointer, Rich. Thank you very much. If there is one thing about this hobby that amazes me it is the fact that though it is small compared to most other hobbies/activities (golf, fishing, photography, etc.) it has a number of participants who are passionate enough about it to invest money to offer accurate small detail parts largely out of a desire to have a particular item themselves and have it be correct! Southwest Scale Productions looks like it might be another example of this phenomenon'

Cordially, Don Valentine

I'm in search of a drawing or photograph of how the AB brake equipment and
brake lines are routed and connected on a PRR H21a hopper car. I have the
John
Teichmeoeller book which does have several photographs of the AB brake gear
but not enough detail to model the piping or lines under the car. Any help
will be greatly appreciated.



Mark Stamm

mark@...

Tom, Try:
 
http://www.southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm

Rich Christie

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:16 AM
Subject: [STMFC] SP B-50-26 doors


 
I have a number of built up Southern Pacific B-50-26 cars by Intermountain which have warped doors, besides being the wrong type. Have seen where someone makes the proper replacement door. Was wondering if they are they still available and from whom. thank you DillTom




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Howard,



In a short word, yes, they will be included. I don't want to steal what
little thunder I might have, but if you want to ask a question, off the
list, I will try to answer. There are still questions that I am asking as
the days dwindle down.



Regards,

Steve Hile

shile@...





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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Howard R Garner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:36 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Bettendorf Comapny

According to Terry Metcalf's book, UP assembled 300 flat cars using
underframes from Bettendorf and that a photo of this frame appears in the
1943 CBC on page 379. Does anyone have that edition and be willing to scan
that page and send me a copy? (I am working on a Bettendorf presentation
for Lisle/Naperville.)

Thanks in advance.

Steve Hile

Steve, Are you including the Bettendorf tank cars in your presentation?
I am interested in these, but will not be attending this year.

Howard Garner

The PRR also applied Crown trucks to Class H34d. AKA PS2 covered hoppers built in the PRR shops from kits supplied by Pullman Standard.

Greg Martin

Greetings all, pardon the multiple postings as we announce the:

Northeastern Fallen Flags
Prototype Modelers Meet

9AM – 6 PM, October 1, 2011
Ted Blum 4-H Center
310 Milltown Road
Bridgewater, NJ 08807
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Admission is $20.00 in advance / $25.00 at the door
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The fourth annual Northeast Fallen Flags Prototype Modelers Meet will take place on Saturday, October 1, 2011, at the Ted Blum 4-H Center, 310 Milltown Road, Bridgewater, NJ, 08807. This spacious venue, just off of NJ Route 202, is also easily accessible from Interstates 78 and 287. Admission is $20.00 in advance ($25.00 at the door) and includes a hot Italian Lunch buffet at 1 PM. Also, a 4-H club will be selling a Continental Breakfast of Coffee, Tea, Muffins, Bagels and Danish from 9 until 11:30 AM; soft drinks and coffee will be available throughout the day for a small donation.

This gathering is a full day of clinics, model displays, vendors, a "Tracky Tray" auction (please donate new items, proceeds benefit 4-H), a great lunch and a chance for modelers to get together and bring any models they are working on or have finished, for display and discussion and learning. The model display is the heart of any RPM meet, so bring your work to show around. There are plenty of tables set to a comfortable height for viewing. We are working on Friday night and/or Sunday afternoon layout tours also.

The current line-up of clinicians includes:

Craig Bisgeier
"Researching and Modeling Truss Bridges"
Jim Dalberg
"Modeling Anthracite Roads"
Ralph DeBlasi
"Paint Schemes of the Lehigh Valley Railroad"
Ron Giordani and Mike Gossman
"Railfanning in the ConRail Era"
Eric Hansmann
"Modeling a Mile, or just a little bit more".
Jim Harr
"The "New" Modeler – modifying built-up freight cars for greater accuracy"
Mike McCann
"There Used to be a Railroad There – a study of NJ Fallen Flags through aerial photography"
Dave Messer
"Developing a Prototype Operating Scheme for the PRR Northeast
Division – Part 2"
Dick Steinbrenner
"The Lehigh Valley in Prototype and Model Form"
Henry Freeman (tentative)
"An Introduction to Prototype Research"

The current vendor line-up includes:

Amesville Shops – cast resin freight car kits
Bethlehem Car Works – car kits and parts
Mike Gossman - slides
Outer Station Project – books
Stella Scale Models – structure kits
Shortline Hobbies – kits, tools, supplies, etc
Rocket Express – cast resin freight car kits

Please visit our website at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neffrpm/ and our Facebook page at http://tinyurl.com/2cgcroh to sign up for the latest news. If you have a presentation or clinic you would like to show, or would like to inquire about vending, please contact us at neffrpm@... or leave a message with Jim Harr of Stella Scale Models at 908-797-0534.

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To register, please make your $20.00 check payable to the Somerset County 4-H Association, and mail to: NEFF RPM c/o Stella Scale Models, PO Box 121, High Bridge, NJ 08829-0121. Be sure to include an e-mail or postal address for a confirmation letter. If you would like a PDF of the registration form, reply by e-mail request to the above address.

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Jim Harr
High Bridge, NJ

As an aside, many of you know the Amarillo Railroad Museum offered PFE
R40-25 reefers in a number of paint schemes awhile back. I once had a custom
who returned his models because the cars did not have black hinges, even
though the era for the paint scheme he bought didn't have black hinges. No
amount of kind persuasion could convince him that the paint scheme was
correct.

Jerry Michels

I have a number of built up Southern Pacific B-50-26 cars by Intermountain which have warped doors, besides being the wrong type. Have seen where someone makes the proper replacement door. Was wondering if they are they still available and from whom. thank you DillTom

Thank you all who contributed.

Paul Catapano

Doug, Alls I know about tank cars is they're black tubes on wheels. So, like most of my modeling I pick features on the prototype I can transfer to the model in hopes of having it look somewhat like the real thing.
Clark Propst

According to Terry Metcalf's book, UP assembled 300 flat cars using
underframes from Bettendorf and that a photo of this frame appears in the
1943 CBC on page 379. Does anyone have that edition and be willing to scan
that page and send me a copy? (I am working on a Bettendorf presentation
for Lisle/Naperville.)

Thanks in advance.

Steve Hile

Steve, Are you including the Bettendorf tank cars in your presentation?
I am interested in these, but will not be attending this year.

Howard Garner

Clark, saw the photos when posted, been waiting for commentary, but no
message came forth about the photo or what you did. I doubt many knew it was
there. Your notes on the photo indicate removal of rivet lines in some
locations and placement of rivet lines in other locations to better follow
the prototype along with some other detail changes.



It looks like you captured the appearance of the car.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Well I got it three more times since it was quoted fully in your replies.

Thanks, Tom for not sending it along again.

Steve Shaffer

Model manufacturers often paint the side door hooks Black, but I believe they were Orange.

> Dick Harley

Dick, a builder photo of R-40-10 PFE 42225 definitely shows black door hooks.
A 1920's builder photo of R-40-13 PFE 35474 appears to show orange hooks, with
a shadow as you described. So at least for a time in the 1930's, the hooks got
black paint -- but this exhausts my PFE ice reefer builder photos collection. :-)

Tim O'Connor

PRR also applied Crown trucks to X53 insulated box cars! There's
a photo of PRR 21048 on rrpicturearchives.net riding on Crown trucks
in 1974.

Tim O'Connor

Any photo of a PRR H39a will show Crown trucks in use on cars built post 1957. The
H39 class cars were built by outside vendors (Bethlehem, Greenville, etc.) with
ASF Type A-3 trucks while the H39a were built in the PRR Sam Rea shops circa 1959-60
and rode on recycled crown trucks salvaged from scraped H21a family of cars.

Rich Orr

I am tired of receiving them in my PERSONAL mail.

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Thanks!

Brian Paul Ehni

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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn






Am I the only one getting tired of being invited to join someone's LinkedIn
network. This sort of post has no place on this list.


Robert J. Miller CFA
Saginaw, MI

"An architect's most useful tools are an eraser at the drafting board, and a
wrecking bar at the site." - Frank Lloyd Wright

Read more:
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On Sun Sep 11, 2011 Paul Catapano asked about black hardware on PFE reefers.

I'm sitting in the Portland airport, waiting for a flight home from the SPH&TS meet, and was reading Yahoo Groups.

In addition to what Richard said, black was the paint used by PFE (and other railroads) on most metal parts, up thru the 1940s. Apparently it was the most rust resistant paint at that time. PFE started the practice before 1928 (where my own PFE paint scheme chart starts).

Here's a summary of PFE's use of Black on metal parts for ice reefers:

- End hardware was always Metalic or FC Red.
- Flexible metal roofs and hatch parts changed from Black to FC Red (Metalic) in Jan. 1936.
- Solid steel roofs (beginning in 1932) were never painted Black.
- Side Hardware and corner steps changed from Black to Orange in Jan. 1949.
Center steps and steel car side sill tabs were still Black.
- Center steps and steel car side sill tabs changed from Black to Orange in June 1951.
- Underframe and trucks remained Black until the end of PFE ownership.

These were PFE painting standards shown on drawings for all ice reefers.

Model manufacturers often paint the side door hooks Black, but I believe they were Orange. They look dark in photos due to shadows. I have not fully researched that.

Hinges were oiled, and dirt did accumulate on the excess oil. So even after hinges were painted Orange, they often show a lot of dark dirt in photos.


Hope this helps,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA

On Sep 11, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Paul Catapano wrote:

I have seen several models of PFE reefers with black hinges, and
many without. Was it a PFE policy to paint hinges black, or was
this a discoloration that showed up black in photos,

-OR-

Am I just seeing models with black hinges, a color scheme not based
on fact.

Additionally if PFE did paint hinge hardware black, when did they
begin and end this policy?
And finally was it system wide, or was this limited to particular
shopped cars (IE., cars shopped in specific places).

Paul, Tony Thompson should answer this, but he's on the road today en
route home from the Southern Pacific Historical Society meeting in
Portland OR, so I'll summarize the information in his PFE book.
Hinges and other side hardware (grab irons, ladders, door latches,
etc.) were painted black prior to 1949. After that, they were the
same yellow-orange color as the car side. This practice was system
wide and did not vary from shop to shop. So it depends entirely on
when the car was painted or repainted.

Richard Hendrickson