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Re: PRR Queen Anne MD car check book

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:

We tend to think of the PRR as monolithic, the result of a slew of
acquisitions in the first third of the 20th century. However,
individual subsidiary railroads did maintain a degree of identity
within the PRR corporate envelope and the Baltimore and Eastern was
certainly a real entity to those who worked in the area around
Queen Anne Md. The local crews would have referred to the trackage
as "B&E", not out of historical reference but because there were
real and current operational uses of the subsidiary road identities
and the B&E continue to exist as of the date of this book (1948).
That said, I agree with Dennis that this would not be interchange
in the true sense of the word.
Another point worth making in this context is that railroad operating
men tended to preserve terminology that was familiar to them long
after it was literally out of date. I heard several examples of this
some years ago when I spent a day with Jerry Stewart at what was then
the last manually operated control tower in the Chicago area. At one
point, Jerry instructed a switching crew to go through the plant and
then wait "at the oil spur." I looked down the track and could see
nothing that resembled an oil spur, so I asked him about it. "Oh,"
he said, "they took out the oil spur in 1947 but everybody knows
where it used to be." In another example, he asked a Wisconsin
Central crew that was about to enter the plant where they were
going. "B&O," was the reply, i.e. the old Baltimore & Ohio Chicago
Terminal Railroad. Another crew said their destination was "the
Harbor Belt," i.e., the Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad, a subsidiary of
the New York Central. Needless to say, both railroads had long since
ceased to exist as operating entities, but train crews in the Chicago
area knew which tracks had formerly belonged to them. I'll bet that
railroaders in the Queen Anne area continued to consider the trackage
as "the B&E" for years after it was completely absorbed into the PRR,
the Penn Central, Conrail, etc.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: PRR Queen Anne MD car check book

Bruce Smith
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> wrote:
Most days had notations indicating some cars as B&E cars. I finally found
some notations with B&E in the location column, so I have added that
notation in the location column for each car so designated. It would appear
the cars noted as B&E cars are most likely on B&E trackage or are for
interchange with the B&E. A good share of them were empties.
Dennis replied:
One comment; If the "B&E" was being operated by the PRR, then technically this wasn't an interchange, as the term implies a transfer between different operating companies. More likely the "B&E" had become local shorthand for the old B&E trackage, and possibly the job that serviced it, so the notation B&E simply gave the location of the cars, or defined that they were lined up for the B&E job.
We tend to think of the PRR as monolithic, the result of a slew of acquisitions in the first third of the 20th century. However, individual subsidiary railroads did maintain a degree of identity within the PRR corporate envelope and the Baltimore and Eastern was certainly a real entity to those who worked in the area around Queen Anne Md. The local crews would have referred to the trackage as "B&E", not out of historical reference but because there were real and current operational uses of the subsidiary road identities and the B&E continue to exist as of the date of this book (1948). That said, I agree with Dennis that this would not be interchange in the true sense of the word.

The history of the railroads and in particular the PRR lines in Delmarva is interesting and quite convoluted in many cases. At the time in question, 1948, all of the trackage in Queen Anne should have been under the B&E auspices as they were a consolidation of a couple of predecessor roads. Much of the trackage was originally linked to Chesapeake Bay ferry service, and in the case of the Queen Ann Railroad, that ferry was from Baltimore to Love Point, with rail passenger service then connecting to locations such as Ocean City. By 1948, the passenger service through Queen Anne was long gone and it was strictly a freight railroad.

While WWII led to the huge expansion of the poultry industry, so that it was the #1 agricultural product post WWII, the Delmarva peninsula has a diverse agricultural history, having been the premier location fro truck farming of vegetables in the US prior to the rise of California in the 1930s.

Note that 1948 was the founding year for the Delmarva Chicken Festival, home to the world's largest frying pan since 1950 ;^)

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Black Hinges on PFE Reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Paul Catapano wrote:
I have seen several models of PFE reefers with black hinges, and many without. Was it a PFE policy to paint hinges black, or was this a discoloration that showed up black in photos,
-OR-
Am I just seeing models with black hinges, a color scheme not based on fact.
Paul, the PFE book is your friend. In addition to rather numerous photos from many eras, you will find actual LETTERING DRAWINGS in the back. They clearly specify black hardware on car sides, including door hinges. This was true when PFE was founded in 1906 and continued until January 1949, when side hardware, including all door hardware, became the same orange color as car sides. This is spelled out quite clearly in the book.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: PRR Queen Anne MD car check book

Dave Nelson
 

My Mother's people have 300+ years in Queen Anne's County... not much there
really and AFAIK never has been. Very rural. If you live by the water you
worked on the water and if you don't you worked on the land.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
Anyone familiar with the area? What railroads beside the Baltimore and
Eastern (B&E) were in Queen Anne MD? And how many trains each day? What
industries? The Delmarva peninsula, is/was home to a large number of poultry
farms and truck farms (vegetables and produce). Which would explain the
large number of cars loaded with feed coming from the Midwest. Also
interesting is the wide variety of road names represented by hoppers
containing coal.


Re: PRR H21a Hopper AB brake equipment

cinderandeight@...
 

The PRR Drawing number for the arrangement of AB brakes on H21A (and other
related classes) is numbered C-408309. It was updated at least through
letter "K" in 1961. Try contacting the PRRT&HS or PA state archives to get a
copy off the microfilm reels.. That copy would be "as of" about 1952 when the
microfilm was done.
Rich Burg


Re: Route of the Rockets Decal for Sunshine 64.54

tmolsen@...
 

Nelson,

When you send the note to Sunshine, address it to the attention to Tricia Lofton as she is the person who will see that you get what you need. Be sure to do what Jim Hayes has advised when you to do in describing the situation and adding the check made out to Sunshine.

Tricia will take care of it!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: D&RGW box car end lettering

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:09 PM, brian wrote:

Richard, is that spring travel 3-1/2 travel or 2-1/2?
Definitely 3-1/2, Brian. The stenciling is clearly legible.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: D&RGW box car end lettering

brianleppert@att.net
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
Walt, I have a builder's photo of one of these cars and the
stenciling on the ends reads as follows (centered on the large end
ribs, top to bottom):

1-W WROT STEEL WHEELS

RELEASE CONTROL RETAINER

ROYAL-F-BRAKE REGULATOR

DURYEA UNDERFRAME

TRUCK SPRING 3-1/2 TRAVEL
Richard, is that spring travel 3-1/2 travel or 2-1/2?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: SP B-50-26 doors

Tim O'Connor
 

Some of the B-50-26's had 5 panel Superior doors, but I don't know
of a source for that style of 10'0" doors.

At 9/13/2011 11:35 AM Tuesday, you wrote:
Thank you. Looks like the FC-614 are the ones I need. Tom Dill
Tom Dill
tomedill@frontier.com


Re: Route of the Rockets Decal for Sunshine 64.54

Jim Hayes
 

Contact Sunshine. Tell them you messed it up and they'll send you another,
for a price.
$3 for a 1 color decal, $4 if 2 colors, $5 if 3, etc.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Nelson Moyer <ku0a@mchsi.com> wrote:

**


I botched one of the Route of the Rockets decal strips on the subject car,
and I haven't been able to find a replacement. I haven't contacted Martin,
since I don't know if he sells extra decals for his kits. If anyone has a
spare decal for sale, please contact me off list.

Nelson



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Route of the Rockets Decal for Sunshine 64.54

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

I botched one of the Route of the Rockets decal strips on the subject car,
and I haven't been able to find a replacement. I haven't contacted Martin,
since I don't know if he sells extra decals for his kits. If anyone has a
spare decal for sale, please contact me off list.

Nelson


Re: D&RGW box car end lettering

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 13, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Walt wrote:

Recently put together a Sunshine Rio Grande box car with what looks
like three doors although there are only two. Trying to clear shelf
space because of the up coming meet at Lisle. Don't expect to buy
any kits, but that will probably not hold up.

In photos you can see five lines of lettering on the lower part of
the ends. I can't read them but I expected to put them in the same
order as on the decal sheet. However while cutting them out I
notice that the top two lines say 1-W WROT STL WHLS and the second
line CAST IRON WHLS. Is this correct? Seems strange to call out two
different types of wheels. If the Rio Grande actually did this, I
have no problem doing it too.

This line is not primary with me, so I don't have enough reference
material for this car. Who can have it all!

Walt Stafa
Columbus, Oh.
Walt, I have a builder's photo of one of these cars and the
stenciling on the ends reads as follows (centered on the large end
ribs, top to bottom):

1-W WROT STEEL WHEELS

RELEASE CONTROL RETAINER

ROYAL-F-BRAKE REGULATOR

DURYEA UNDERFRAME

TRUCK SPRING 3-1/2 TRAVEL


Richard Hendrickson


Re: PRR Queen Anne MD car check book

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> wrote:


From Google maps it appears there were two railroads or two lines in town.
One railroad it turns out was the Baltimore and Eastern Railroad. The
Baltimore and Eastern Railroad (B&E) operated several light density branch
lines east of Chesapeake Bay on the Delmarva peninsula. It was owned and
operated by the Pennsylvania Railroad. Hence the need for a SPF.



Most days had notations indicating some cars as B&E cars. I finally found
some notations with B&E in the location column, so I have added that
notation in the location column for each car so designated. It would appear
the cars noted as B&E cars are most likely on B&E trackage or are for
interchange with the B&E. A good share of them were empties.
Doug,

One comment; If the "B&E" was being operated by the PRR, then technically this wasn't an interchange, as the term implies a transfer between different operating companies. More likely the "B&E" had become local shorthand for the old B&E trackage, and possibly the job that serviced it, so the notation B&E simply gave the location of the cars, or defined that they were lined up for the B&E job.

Dennis


PRR Queen Anne MD car check book

Douglas Harding
 

Group, SPF needed! I recently acquired a Pennsylvania Railroad "Daily Check
of Cars and Record of Seals" book. The book was used in Queen Anne, MD,
Jan-May 1949. I have transcribed the book to an Excel spreadsheet and
uploaded it to the group files. Look for "PRR Queen Anne MD car seal book".
It lists all cars in Queen Anne at 8am each day, and their contents. I am
not sure about some of the contents, handwriting was in pencil and difficult
to decipher at times. Based on cars listed in April it is obvious that some
track work was being done that year.



From Google maps it appears there were two railroads or two lines in town.
One railroad it turns out was the Baltimore and Eastern Railroad. The
Baltimore and Eastern Railroad (B&E) operated several light density branch
lines east of Chesapeake Bay on the Delmarva peninsula. It was owned and
operated by the Pennsylvania Railroad. Hence the need for a SPF.



Most days had notations indicating some cars as B&E cars. I finally found
some notations with B&E in the location column, so I have added that
notation in the location column for each car so designated. It would appear
the cars noted as B&E cars are most likely on B&E trackage or are for
interchange with the B&E. A good share of them were emptys.



Anyone familiar with the area? What railroads beside the Baltimore and
Eastern (B&E) were in Queen Anne MD? And how many trains each day? What
industries? The Delmarva peninsula, is/was home to a large number of poultry
farms and truck farms (vegetables and produce). Which would explain the
large number of cars loaded with feed coming from the Midwest. Also
interesting is the wide variety of road names represented by hoppers
containing coal.



I share it with the group, as it gives a good picture of freight cars and
freight car traffic in a somewhat isolated location. Hopefully our various
freight car experts can begin determining the heritage of the cars. I have
already notified Clark of the one M&StL, a boxcar, listed so he can note it
in his presentation at Lisle.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /PRR Queen Anne MD car seal book.xls
Uploaded by : hardingdouglas <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org>
Description : Daily Check of Cars Jan-May 1949 in Queen Anne MD

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/PRR%20Queen%20Anne%20MD%20car%20seal%20book.xls

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html
Regards,

hardingdouglas <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org>


Re: PRR H21a Hopper AB brake equipment

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

or you could look at the photos I've pasted awhile ago in the photo section labeled H21 B end

Bob Karig


Re: D&RGW box car end lettering

John H <sprinthag@...>
 

I haven't a clue about that particular car but, as one who does decals, I can suggest that both types of wheels were in use during the era when these cars and/or lettering scheme were in use. Hence some photos would show cars with 1-W WROT STL WHLS and other photos would show the CAST IRON WHLS lettering. The decal set was probably designed to cover both contingencies. All you have to do is choose one or the other. Don't use both. Well, you could put one on one side and the other on the opposite side just for variety. Of course if you are doing a particular for which you have photos, go by the photos.

John Hagen

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" <prr6380@...> wrote:

Recently put together a Sunshine Rio Grande box car with what looks like three doors although there are only two. Trying to clear shelf space because of the up coming meet at Lisle. Don't expect to buy any kits, but that will probably not hold up.

In photos you can see five lines of lettering on the lower part of the ends. I can't read them but I expected to put them in the same order as on the decal sheet. However while cutting them out I notice that the top two lines say 1-W WROT STL WHLS and the second line CAST IRON WHLS. Is this correct? Seems strange to call out two different types of wheels. If the Rio Grande actually did this, I have no problem doing it too.

This line is not primary with me, so I don't have enough reference material for this car. Who can have it all!

Walt Stafa
Columbus, Oh.


Re: PRR H21a Hopper AB brake equipment

mark
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mark at Euphoriatt" <mark@...> wrote:

I'm in search of a drawing or photograph of how the AB brake equipment and
brake lines are routed and connected on a PRR H21a hopper car. I have the
John
Teichmeoeller book which does have several photographs of the AB brake gear
but not enough detail to model the piping or lines under the car. Any help
will be greatly appreciated.



Mark Stamm

mark@...


Mark, you might try March 2002 model railroader they did an article on the PRR H21g hoppers with photos of the "B" end brake rigging this may be of some help. Mark McCoy tavwot@yahoo.com




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D&RGW box car end lettering

prr6380
 

Recently put together a Sunshine Rio Grande box car with what looks like three doors although there are only two. Trying to clear shelf space because of the up coming meet at Lisle. Don't expect to buy any kits, but that will probably not hold up.

In photos you can see five lines of lettering on the lower part of the ends. I can't read them but I expected to put them in the same order as on the decal sheet. However while cutting them out I notice that the top two lines say 1-W WROT STL WHLS and the second line CAST IRON WHLS. Is this correct? Seems strange to call out two different types of wheels. If the Rio Grande actually did this, I have no problem doing it too.

This line is not primary with me, so I don't have enough reference material for this car. Who can have it all!

Walt Stafa
Columbus, Oh.


Re: SP B-50-26 doors

tomedill@frontier.com
 

Thank you. Looks like the FC-614 are the ones I need. Tom Dill
Tom Dill
tomedill@frontier.com

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