--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> wrote:

From Google maps it appears there were two railroads or two lines in town.
One railroad it turns out was the Baltimore and Eastern Railroad. The
Baltimore and Eastern Railroad (B&E) operated several light density branch
lines east of Chesapeake Bay on the Delmarva peninsula. It was owned and
operated by the Pennsylvania Railroad. Hence the need for a SPF.



Most days had notations indicating some cars as B&E cars. I finally found
some notations with B&E in the location column, so I have added that
notation in the location column for each car so designated. It would appear
the cars noted as B&E cars are most likely on B&E trackage or are for
interchange with the B&E. A good share of them were empties.

Doug,

One comment; If the "B&E" was being operated by the PRR, then technically this wasn't an interchange, as the term implies a transfer between different operating companies. More likely the "B&E" had become local shorthand for the old B&E trackage, and possibly the job that serviced it, so the notation B&E simply gave the location of the cars, or defined that they were lined up for the B&E job.

Dennis

Group, SPF needed! I recently acquired a Pennsylvania Railroad "Daily Check
of Cars and Record of Seals" book. The book was used in Queen Anne, MD,
Jan-May 1949. I have transcribed the book to an Excel spreadsheet and
uploaded it to the group files. Look for "PRR Queen Anne MD car seal book".
It lists all cars in Queen Anne at 8am each day, and their contents. I am
not sure about some of the contents, handwriting was in pencil and difficult
to decipher at times. Based on cars listed in April it is obvious that some
track work was being done that year.



From Google maps it appears there were two railroads or two lines in town.
One railroad it turns out was the Baltimore and Eastern Railroad. The
Baltimore and Eastern Railroad (B&E) operated several light density branch
lines east of Chesapeake Bay on the Delmarva peninsula. It was owned and
operated by the Pennsylvania Railroad. Hence the need for a SPF.



Most days had notations indicating some cars as B&E cars. I finally found
some notations with B&E in the location column, so I have added that
notation in the location column for each car so designated. It would appear
the cars noted as B&E cars are most likely on B&E trackage or are for
interchange with the B&E. A good share of them were emptys.



Anyone familiar with the area? What railroads beside the Baltimore and
Eastern (B&E) were in Queen Anne MD? And how many trains each day? What
industries? The Delmarva peninsula, is/was home to a large number of poultry
farms and truck farms (vegetables and produce). Which would explain the
large number of cars loaded with feed coming from the Midwest. Also
interesting is the wide variety of road names represented by hoppers
containing coal.



I share it with the group, as it gives a good picture of freight cars and
freight car traffic in a somewhat isolated location. Hopefully our various
freight car experts can begin determining the heritage of the cars. I have
already notified Clark of the one M&StL, a boxcar, listed so he can note it
in his presentation at Lisle.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /PRR Queen Anne MD car seal book.xls
Uploaded by : hardingdouglas <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org>
Description : Daily Check of Cars Jan-May 1949 in Queen Anne MD

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/PRR%20Queen%20Anne%20MD%20car%20seal%20book.xls

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Regards,

hardingdouglas <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org>

or you could look at the photos I've pasted awhile ago in the photo section labeled H21 B end

Bob Karig

I haven't a clue about that particular car but, as one who does decals, I can suggest that both types of wheels were in use during the era when these cars and/or lettering scheme were in use. Hence some photos would show cars with 1-W WROT STL WHLS and other photos would show the CAST IRON WHLS lettering. The decal set was probably designed to cover both contingencies. All you have to do is choose one or the other. Don't use both. Well, you could put one on one side and the other on the opposite side just for variety. Of course if you are doing a particular for which you have photos, go by the photos.

John Hagen

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mark at Euphoriatt" <mark@...> wrote:

I'm in search of a drawing or photograph of how the AB brake equipment and
brake lines are routed and connected on a PRR H21a hopper car. I have the
John
Teichmeoeller book which does have several photographs of the AB brake gear
but not enough detail to model the piping or lines under the car. Any help
will be greatly appreciated.



Mark Stamm

mark@...


Mark, you might try March 2002 model railroader they did an article on the PRR H21g hoppers with photos of the "B" end brake rigging this may be of some help. Mark McCoy tavwot@yahoo.com




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Recently put together a Sunshine Rio Grande box car with what looks like three doors although there are only two. Trying to clear shelf space because of the up coming meet at Lisle. Don't expect to buy any kits, but that will probably not hold up.

In photos you can see five lines of lettering on the lower part of the ends. I can't read them but I expected to put them in the same order as on the decal sheet. However while cutting them out I notice that the top two lines say 1-W WROT STL WHLS and the second line CAST IRON WHLS. Is this correct? Seems strange to call out two different types of wheels. If the Rio Grande actually did this, I have no problem doing it too.

This line is not primary with me, so I don't have enough reference material for this car. Who can have it all!

Walt Stafa
Columbus, Oh.

Thank you. Looks like the FC-614 are the ones I need. Tom Dill
Tom Dill
tomedill@frontier.com

Gentleman:

I wonder if there is anyone on this list that has LEVERAGE with the
RR Museum in Galesburg, IL or knows anyone that does? If so please
send me a message at the email address below.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

Mark,

If you have not already done so, check out the PRR projects group an Yehaw (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRRPro/) We did the H21 class a while ago and there are a number of photos there that might help plus discussion in the archives. Additionally, the Westerfield H21 kit has very nice brake rigging. This project was also covered in The Keystone Modeler, No 41, Dec 2006.

On the H21a, the air line passes between the center sill channels, making it invisible. The brake rigging consists of 2 parallel rods between the two brake levers and below the center sill. These attach to a triangle sticking off of the brake lever. The brake lever on the B-end has a
rod attaching to each end - one from the truck (brakes) and one from the brake cylinder. The lever on the A end only has one rod, the one
attached to the trucks.

Hope this helps
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

GREAT pointer, Rich. Thank you very much. If there is one thing about this hobby that amazes me it is the fact that though it is small compared to most other hobbies/activities (golf, fishing, photography, etc.) it has a number of participants who are passionate enough about it to invest money to offer accurate small detail parts largely out of a desire to have a particular item themselves and have it be correct! Southwest Scale Productions looks like it might be another example of this phenomenon'

Cordially, Don Valentine

I'm in search of a drawing or photograph of how the AB brake equipment and
brake lines are routed and connected on a PRR H21a hopper car. I have the
John
Teichmeoeller book which does have several photographs of the AB brake gear
but not enough detail to model the piping or lines under the car. Any help
will be greatly appreciated.



Mark Stamm

mark@euphoriatt.com

Tom, Try:
 
http://www.southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm

Rich Christie

From: consol2579 <tomedill@frontier.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:16 AM
Subject: [STMFC] SP B-50-26 doors


 
I have a number of built up Southern Pacific B-50-26 cars by Intermountain which have warped doors, besides being the wrong type. Have seen where someone makes the proper replacement door. Was wondering if they are they still available and from whom. thank you DillTom




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Howard,



In a short word, yes, they will be included. I don't want to steal what
little thunder I might have, but if you want to ask a question, off the
list, I will try to answer. There are still questions that I am asking as
the days dwindle down.



Regards,

Steve Hile

shile@mindspring.com





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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Howard R Garner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:36 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Bettendorf Comapny

According to Terry Metcalf's book, UP assembled 300 flat cars using
underframes from Bettendorf and that a photo of this frame appears in the
1943 CBC on page 379. Does anyone have that edition and be willing to scan
that page and send me a copy? (I am working on a Bettendorf presentation
for Lisle/Naperville.)

Thanks in advance.

Steve Hile

Steve, Are you including the Bettendorf tank cars in your presentation?
I am interested in these, but will not be attending this year.

Howard Garner

The PRR also applied Crown trucks to Class H34d. AKA PS2 covered hoppers built in the PRR shops from kits supplied by Pullman Standard.

Greg Martin

Greetings all, pardon the multiple postings as we announce the:

Northeastern Fallen Flags
Prototype Modelers Meet

9AM – 6 PM, October 1, 2011
Ted Blum 4-H Center
310 Milltown Road
Bridgewater, NJ 08807
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Admission is $20.00 in advance / $25.00 at the door
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The fourth annual Northeast Fallen Flags Prototype Modelers Meet will take place on Saturday, October 1, 2011, at the Ted Blum 4-H Center, 310 Milltown Road, Bridgewater, NJ, 08807. This spacious venue, just off of NJ Route 202, is also easily accessible from Interstates 78 and 287. Admission is $20.00 in advance ($25.00 at the door) and includes a hot Italian Lunch buffet at 1 PM. Also, a 4-H club will be selling a Continental Breakfast of Coffee, Tea, Muffins, Bagels and Danish from 9 until 11:30 AM; soft drinks and coffee will be available throughout the day for a small donation.

This gathering is a full day of clinics, model displays, vendors, a "Tracky Tray" auction (please donate new items, proceeds benefit 4-H), a great lunch and a chance for modelers to get together and bring any models they are working on or have finished, for display and discussion and learning. The model display is the heart of any RPM meet, so bring your work to show around. There are plenty of tables set to a comfortable height for viewing. We are working on Friday night and/or Sunday afternoon layout tours also.

The current line-up of clinicians includes:

Craig Bisgeier
"Researching and Modeling Truss Bridges"
Jim Dalberg
"Modeling Anthracite Roads"
Ralph DeBlasi
"Paint Schemes of the Lehigh Valley Railroad"
Ron Giordani and Mike Gossman
"Railfanning in the ConRail Era"
Eric Hansmann
"Modeling a Mile, or just a little bit more".
Jim Harr
"The "New" Modeler – modifying built-up freight cars for greater accuracy"
Mike McCann
"There Used to be a Railroad There – a study of NJ Fallen Flags through aerial photography"
Dave Messer
"Developing a Prototype Operating Scheme for the PRR Northeast
Division – Part 2"
Dick Steinbrenner
"The Lehigh Valley in Prototype and Model Form"
Henry Freeman (tentative)
"An Introduction to Prototype Research"

The current vendor line-up includes:

Amesville Shops – cast resin freight car kits
Bethlehem Car Works – car kits and parts
Mike Gossman - slides
Outer Station Project – books
Stella Scale Models – structure kits
Shortline Hobbies – kits, tools, supplies, etc
Rocket Express – cast resin freight car kits

Please visit our website at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neffrpm/ and our Facebook page at http://tinyurl.com/2cgcroh to sign up for the latest news. If you have a presentation or clinic you would like to show, or would like to inquire about vending, please contact us at neffrpm@yahoo.com or leave a message with Jim Harr of Stella Scale Models at 908-797-0534.

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To register, please make your $20.00 check payable to the Somerset County 4-H Association, and mail to: NEFF RPM c/o Stella Scale Models, PO Box 121, High Bridge, NJ 08829-0121. Be sure to include an e-mail or postal address for a confirmation letter. If you would like a PDF of the registration form, reply by e-mail request to the above address.

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Jim Harr
High Bridge, NJ

As an aside, many of you know the Amarillo Railroad Museum offered PFE
R40-25 reefers in a number of paint schemes awhile back. I once had a custom
who returned his models because the cars did not have black hinges, even
though the era for the paint scheme he bought didn't have black hinges. No
amount of kind persuasion could convince him that the paint scheme was
correct.

Jerry Michels

I have a number of built up Southern Pacific B-50-26 cars by Intermountain which have warped doors, besides being the wrong type. Have seen where someone makes the proper replacement door. Was wondering if they are they still available and from whom. thank you DillTom

Thank you all who contributed.

Paul Catapano

Doug, Alls I know about tank cars is they're black tubes on wheels. So, like most of my modeling I pick features on the prototype I can transfer to the model in hopes of having it look somewhat like the real thing.
Clark Propst