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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Michael Aufderheide
 

MON 3011 42’ GB Fixed ends, steel floor Steel
 
This car (on the "Need ID to a Model" page) is modeled by Sunshine 67.38.  See:
 
http://sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun67f.pdf
 
Thank you for posting this list, very interesting.
 
Mike Aufderheide


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Subject: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC


 

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Re: X29/ARA Types

william darnaby
 

Rather than use Sunshine parts, unless that is your only option, use the
Speedwitch M-26D/E kit which is more accurate and the instructions have better
UF photos (of the model).  In addition, I posted UF photos of an M-26D that I
found on blocks in a church camp north of Norwalk, Ohio about 3 years ago.  But,
to answer your question, yes, use the open frame parts.

Bill Darnaby




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From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 7:24:52 AM
Subject: [STMFC] X29/ARA Types

At least one will be a B&O M-26D/E w/a Duryea u/f. I am planning to 
use one of the Duryea kits Sunshine did a few years ago. Given the 
early date these would have been built, I am assuming I should use 
the open-frame parts included in the kit, correct?


Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com



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Re: X29/ARA Types

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch asked:
"...I note from Ted's 2002 Naperville Handout on modeling this group
of cars that the DT&I leased 200 X29s from the PRR, their 20000-20199
group. Are their any known photos of these?"

The only photo I've been able to find is a car in an overall yard shot at Green
River, Wyoming, showing only the end of the car at a great distance.  I'll send
you a scan later tonight.  I have not yet come upon anything better.


Ben Hom


X29/ARA Types

Bill Welch
 

I have been looking through my stash of undec. Red Caboose X29
(RC-7003)/ARA (RC-2002) Type kits and my photos of B&O M-26 and PRR
X29 to decide what I want to build in addition to the LNE, MEC and
CNJ I have already created new roofs for.

At least one will be a B&O M-26D/E w/a Duryea u/f. I am planning to
use one of the Duryea kits Sunshine did a few years ago. Given the
early date these would have been built, I am assuming I should use
the open-frame parts included in the kit, correct?

Also I note from Ted's 2002 Naperville Handout on modeling this group
of cars that the DT&I leased 200 X29s from the PRR, their 20000-20199
group. Are their any known photos of these?

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Revised NYC Toledo Div consist file uploaded

rdepennsyfan
 

Group,

I have uploaded a revised master list of freight cars found in the NYC Toledo Division train consists which I posted in June 2011.

The 24 consists were originally posted as transcriptions on Daniel Masters' "Toledo West" website on AOL Hometown. The trains ran on the New York Central between Elkhart, IN, and Air Line Jct., Toledo, OH, during the time period November 1955 to September 1957.

I hope that the group will find this information useful.

Rob Erickson


New file uploaded to STMFC

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Re: Flat car project

Clark Propst
 

Chad sent me a photo of his deck samples. I've added to the Flat car file in the photos section.

Things are progressing...
Clark Propst


Re: PRR BOXCAR TRIANGLES (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Steve;

Unfortunately, that answer conflicts with a stencil explanation given for
several classes of box cars and gondola cars that were designated, by the use
of that small triangle, as being in segregated service. Most of those cars
were leased, and as leased cars, and not owned by the RR, were not to be
repaired with RR dollars, and so, were billed to the owner by a separate
procedure. Also unfortunately, I have no idea if this concept started off
the way you describe and then shifted (for some odd reason) to the other, but
clearly gondola cars were not used for grain service, and numbers of the
600xxx series gons were stenciled with that little white triangle.

Elden Gatwood

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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:08 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] PRR BOXCAR TRIANGLES



Dear Group...

While looking through the July, 1951 issue of Railroad Magazine, I found this
Q&A on page 67:

Q)...Several new Pennsy boxcars have a white triangle stenciled on their
sides, centered between the railroad name and car number. Can you tell me
what this symbol means?

A)...The white triangle is a new Pennsylvania Railroad designation for a PRR
Class A boxcar to be loaded with grain and other milling products, and
returned to Buffalo for reloading, when empty. such cars are specially
coopered to make them tight and dry for grain hauling, and they are equipped
with special grain doors. If you follow "INFORMATION BOOTH" (another
department in RAILROAD MAGAZINE) you already know that the New York Central
marks its Buffalo grain service boxcars with a white star.

Steve Vallee





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Caveats: NONE


Flat car project

Clark Propst
 

I've uploaded 8 photos in the photo file with the same name as this emails subject line.

They show how I assembled the flat car model (not available in numbers yet). I attached the stake pockets first, some might want to wait to do that last. I figured with all the handling during assemble I'd find the loose ones on the work bench instead of having to look for them on the layout : ) Only one came off.
I didn't add the corner steps till last, cause I forgot. I would add them when drilling holes of the coupler box and trucks.

The stake pocket channel will be supplied with the model. Everything else you should have in your parts drawers.

I didn't do any underbody detail because I plan to fill that space with weight.

It was a fun couple hour project. Now I need to build the other two versions so I'll be ready when the decals and decks are ready.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


PRR BOXCAR TRIANGLES

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Group...

While looking through the July, 1951 issue of Railroad Magazine, I found this Q&A on page 67:


Q)...Several new Pennsy boxcars have a white triangle stenciled on their sides, centered between the railroad name and car number. Can you tell me what this symbol means?

A)...The white triangle is a new Pennsylvania Railroad designation for a PRR Class A boxcar to be loaded with grain and other milling products, and returned to Buffalo for reloading, when empty. such cars are specially coopered to make them tight and dry for grain hauling, and they are equipped with special grain doors. If you follow "INFORMATION BOOTH" (another department in RAILROAD MAGAZINE) you already know that the New York Central marks its Buffalo grain service boxcars with a white star.


Steve Vallee


Re: PRR Queen Anne MD car check book

Douglas Harding
 

Thank you Bruce. Note the book is from 1949, not 1948. Appreciate the
information that passenger service ended prior to this date. Someone on the
OpSig list speculated that B&E stood for Baggage and Express cars or
breaking and entering. Which lead me to discover the Baltimore and Eastern
was the railroad through town.



I am trying to understand why the notation for "B&E cars". Some days all
cars were B&E, some days none. And many days there are cars listed, followed
by a second list of "B&E cars". I am speculating this means these cars were
ready to be picked up by the B&E. Again trying to understand the traffic
patterns.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


PRR F22 flats

mcindoefalls
 

Here are a couple of websites with some really good photos of PRR F22 flatcars.

Scroll about half way down this page:

http://todengine.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=2937123

for an F22 with arch bar trucks and a large casting load. Also a few partial views of PRR well cars and their loads.

This site has a good selection of photos showing them in naval gun service:

http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_fc_co_f22.htm

-- Walt Lankenau


Re: SP B-50-26 doors

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
Yeah but, that's a replacement door. Jim shot most of his pictures in Marshalltown IA in the mid-late 60s.
As far as I know, Clark is correct. The SP Class B-50-26 cars that received Superior doors got the 7-panel version when built.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SP B-50-26 doors

Clark Propst
 

Yeah but, that's a replacement door. Jim shot most of his pictures in Marshalltown IA in the mid-late 60s.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Here is a shot of the 5-panel.
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp124650ajs.jpg

Tim, time to break out the chopper & evergreen!
 
Rich Christie


Re: SP B-50-26 doors

Rich C
 

Here is a shot of the 5-panel.
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp124650ajs.jpg

Tim, time to break out the chopper & evergreen!
 
Rich Christie

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: SP B-50-26 doors


 

Some of the B-50-26's had 5 panel Superior doors, but I don't know
of a source for that style of 10'0" doors.

At 9/13/2011 11:35 AM Tuesday, you wrote:
Thank you. Looks like the FC-614 are the ones I need. Tom Dill
Tom Dill
tomedill@frontier.com



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Re: NEFF RPM Update

bnpmodeler
 

Greetings all;

As a short follow-up to our latest announcement, we are very pleased to announce a new website for the Northeast Fallen Flags RPM Meet. Eric Hansmann has graciously stepped up and produced a new webpage where you can easily and quickly read the details and download registration forms, etc. No membership required, you can access the page at:

http://www.hansmanns.org/neff_rpm/index

Thanks Eric, and to all, we look forward to seeing you on October 1st!

Jim Harr

NEFF RPM co-organizer


Hinges on PFE Reefers

Paul Catapano
 

Thank you,  Tony,  for your help.

Paul Catapano

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Re: PRR Queen Anne MD car check book

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

...In another example, he asked a Wisconsin
Central crew that was about to enter the plant where they were
going. "B&O," was the reply, i.e. the old Baltimore & Ohio Chicago
Terminal Railroad. Another crew said their destination was "the
Harbor Belt," i.e., the Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad, a subsidiary of
the New York Central. Needless to say, both railroads had long since
ceased to exist as operating entities, but train crews in the Chicago
area knew which tracks had formerly belonged to them...
No fair burying the fallen flags before they are dead, Richard. The IHB is most definitely still alive as a separate entity. In reality it had multiple owners beyond the NYC, and while mergers have reduced the number of owning roads, the IHB is still run as an independent company:

http://www.ihbrr.com/

The B&OCT had a closer association with the b&O, since that company was the sole owner, but the Terminal Railroad was kept independent. This is apparently still the case under CSXT. The most recent citation I can find is a current solicitation for bid that directs inquiries to the B&OCT/CSX Chicago Division Office, 1700 E 167th St, Calumet City, Illinois 60409:

http://www.nrcma.org/download.cfm?ID=27747

Dennis


Re: PRR Queen Anne MD car check book

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:

We tend to think of the PRR as monolithic, the result of a slew of
acquisitions in the first third of the 20th century. However,
individual subsidiary railroads did maintain a degree of identity
within the PRR corporate envelope and the Baltimore and Eastern was
certainly a real entity to those who worked in the area around
Queen Anne Md. The local crews would have referred to the trackage
as "B&E", not out of historical reference but because there were
real and current operational uses of the subsidiary road identities
and the B&E continue to exist as of the date of this book (1948).
That said, I agree with Dennis that this would not be interchange
in the true sense of the word.
Another point worth making in this context is that railroad operating
men tended to preserve terminology that was familiar to them long
after it was literally out of date. I heard several examples of this
some years ago when I spent a day with Jerry Stewart at what was then
the last manually operated control tower in the Chicago area. At one
point, Jerry instructed a switching crew to go through the plant and
then wait "at the oil spur." I looked down the track and could see
nothing that resembled an oil spur, so I asked him about it. "Oh,"
he said, "they took out the oil spur in 1947 but everybody knows
where it used to be." In another example, he asked a Wisconsin
Central crew that was about to enter the plant where they were
going. "B&O," was the reply, i.e. the old Baltimore & Ohio Chicago
Terminal Railroad. Another crew said their destination was "the
Harbor Belt," i.e., the Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad, a subsidiary of
the New York Central. Needless to say, both railroads had long since
ceased to exist as operating entities, but train crews in the Chicago
area knew which tracks had formerly belonged to them. I'll bet that
railroaders in the Queen Anne area continued to consider the trackage
as "the B&E" for years after it was completely absorbed into the PRR,
the Penn Central, Conrail, etc.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: PRR Queen Anne MD car check book

Bruce Smith
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> wrote:
Most days had notations indicating some cars as B&E cars. I finally found
some notations with B&E in the location column, so I have added that
notation in the location column for each car so designated. It would appear
the cars noted as B&E cars are most likely on B&E trackage or are for
interchange with the B&E. A good share of them were empties.
Dennis replied:
One comment; If the "B&E" was being operated by the PRR, then technically this wasn't an interchange, as the term implies a transfer between different operating companies. More likely the "B&E" had become local shorthand for the old B&E trackage, and possibly the job that serviced it, so the notation B&E simply gave the location of the cars, or defined that they were lined up for the B&E job.
We tend to think of the PRR as monolithic, the result of a slew of acquisitions in the first third of the 20th century. However, individual subsidiary railroads did maintain a degree of identity within the PRR corporate envelope and the Baltimore and Eastern was certainly a real entity to those who worked in the area around Queen Anne Md. The local crews would have referred to the trackage as "B&E", not out of historical reference but because there were real and current operational uses of the subsidiary road identities and the B&E continue to exist as of the date of this book (1948). That said, I agree with Dennis that this would not be interchange in the true sense of the word.

The history of the railroads and in particular the PRR lines in Delmarva is interesting and quite convoluted in many cases. At the time in question, 1948, all of the trackage in Queen Anne should have been under the B&E auspices as they were a consolidation of a couple of predecessor roads. Much of the trackage was originally linked to Chesapeake Bay ferry service, and in the case of the Queen Ann Railroad, that ferry was from Baltimore to Love Point, with rail passenger service then connecting to locations such as Ocean City. By 1948, the passenger service through Queen Anne was long gone and it was strictly a freight railroad.

While WWII led to the huge expansion of the poultry industry, so that it was the #1 agricultural product post WWII, the Delmarva peninsula has a diverse agricultural history, having been the premier location fro truck farming of vegetables in the US prior to the rise of California in the 1930s.

Note that 1948 was the founding year for the Delmarva Chicken Festival, home to the world's largest frying pan since 1950 ;^)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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