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Re: Accurail Trucks

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson inquires politely

Had your eyes checked lately, Tim? Could you elaborate on what
you think is "funky" about them?
I think it's the brake shoes. They just look dopey to me. Although
Accurail is not alone in this; and they do look better than many other
trucks out there. Since you model 1947 I can see why this truck would
be so vital to you. But I model mostly late 50's early 60's so most
of my models ride on spring-plankless trucks.

Maybe I should stop comparing them to the Kato ASF A-3 which just blows
away most other HO scale trucks IMO.


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: P&WV box cars

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Clark Propst asks

Thanks Greg and Tim for responding with the data on the box car. Didn't Kadee do the PS-1 car?
Clark, no. The (several) Kadee models represent PS-1's from 1950 and later.
They opted not to produce a pre-1950 PS-1 because of differences in the ends,
roof, and underframe -- and because for each combination of features there
were too few owners. Personally I wish they would just pick one combination
and release "inexact" pre-1950 models but Larry Edwards seems not inclined
to deliberately do anything less than perfectly. (Although Kadee is rather
indifferent to running boards and trucks, which are easily replaced.)


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail Trucks

Mont Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

THE ACCURAIL "BETTENDORF" TRUCKS WITHOUT WHEELS ARE AVAILABLE FROM:

MODEL RAILROAD SUPPLY
404 WEST MAIN STREET
P.O. BOX 309
MT. SUMMIT, IN 47361

PRICE IS $1.00 PER PAIR WITH SHIPPING INCLUDED IN PRICE. MONT

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Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail Trucks


Tim O'Connor grumps:

...Can't say as I share your feelings
about the Accurail "Bettendorf" truck. I can't stand 'em -- they
just look funky to me. Different strokes I guess.
Had your eyes checked lately, Tim? Could you elaborate on what you think
is "funky" about them?

IMO, the Accurail "Bettendorf" truck is one of the best on the market,
crisply molded and very close in appearance to its intended prototype; I'd
fault it only because it's mis-named. It's also the only SOTA HO truck
that represents an earlier ARA/AAR truck with a spring plank; all the
others model AAR trucks of later self-aligning spring-plankless design.
So
on many models of pre-WW-II freight cars (and some cars as late as the
early 1950s) they're the only game in town.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520




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Re: Over Sherman Hill!

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Thanks Greg and Tim for responding with the data on the box car. Didn't Kadee do the PS-1 car?
Some people impose certain criteria upon themselves as a way of rationalizing the purchase of model equipment. I think Mike Brock wants models of cars that traversed Wyoming. The MW waybills give the routing, some merchandise gets handed off more than a football in the wishbone offense. This particular cars routing struck me as I was entering it as one than would meet Mike's criteria.
I'm doing the spread sheet at work and am up to June. I think Sam has posted all of the year 1954. When I'm able to sort the entries it will be neat to see the seasonal traffic changes. Already I'm entring less fuel oil and coal and more gas and building supplies. The RR itself has received several loads of ties in box cars. Matter of fact almost everything comes in box cars. I just entered the first flat car yesterday. The only reefers have been in LCL service.
Clark

tgregmrtn@... wrote:

Clark,

Are you trying to ID the car type? This is a P&WV PS-1 Blt 1947, no end ribs, 7-foot Superior Panel door. I am not sure of the date on your WB so I can't properly ID the paint scheme, but I belive it would have been FC Red with black ends and roof, simple P&WV reporting marks and the typical round P&WV herald (pre-1953 paint scheme with the Symbol of Servive Script). The deccal were available from Champ, but I beleive that they are now discontinued. I have a friend who has had some custom made, I believe he still has some available.Let me know if you need a set and I will contact him.

The saw mill was on the SP&S' OE sub, about 28 miles south of Salem, OR. The mill is long gone.

Hope this helps.
Greg Martin
Salem, OR


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Re: Lauderdale Report

WK2SHR@...
 

Mike:

Thank you.

Dave


Re: Accurail Trucks

scott459 <scott459@...>
 

Richard wrote:

>It's also the only SOTA HO truck....


SOTA?


Scott Chatfield

What's that saying? "Don't be afraid to ask a dumb question-- there are ten other people hoping you will so they won't have to."
(We thought we were "insiders" in the freight car modeling universe, but this'll probably turn out to be something the "way-insiders" have been using and it hasn't leaked out until now!)
Scott Pitzer


Re: Accurail Trucks

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Richard wrote:

It's also the only SOTA HO truck....

SOTA?


Scott Chatfield


Re: Air hose details for Westerfield kits

Stafford Swain <sswain@...>
 

Hi Andy:

This exchange went back and forth between Tim O'Conner and myself a few months back. It seems like certain "kinds of minds . . .

At 8:46 PM -0400 5/1/02, Tim O'Connor wrote:
That's a good idea Stafford. You could even improve it and attach
a small support "bracket" from the carbody to the airhose -- just
for appearances. It would be just as useful as the running board
brackets most of us already attach.

For glue I recommend Microscale "liquitape" or "krystal klear".

At 07:20 PM 5/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
Hi Russ:

Being a subscriber to the school of minimum underbody detail (only
where required from a side viewing perspective) I take a small block
of styrene from say 4x4 stock and glue it on the end sill next to the
coupler pocket. Before I actually glue the block on though I have
already drilled it about .005 over the diameter of a DA delrin
airhose casting's "airpipe stub". The airhose casting is then
slipped in after the styrene block is glued in place (and even after
the car is otherwise painted).

I then crimp the airhose's "airpipe stub" behind the styrene block so
it will not fall out of the support block. The slightly oversize
hole also allows the airhose casting to move around a bit if it gets
>bumped.


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


I built some Westerfield USRA SS box cars (CNJ, RDG, & C&NW), as well
as 2 RI Fowler clones. They are finished and ready for paint, minus
the air hoses.

I'm looking for suggestions as to what to use for the air hose
details. I've thought mounting a small block of styrene to the right
of the coupler box to hold a Detail Associates 6206. Is there
another part that would be more appropriate?


Thanks

Andy Cich




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Re: Lauderdale Report

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Dave asks:

Did the reps by chance state when the UP CA-series caboose would be
available for delivery to consumers??
I think Bill Wischer indicated that the CA-1 would be available in the fall. Trix didn't indicate when the CA-3 would be available.

Mike Brock


Air hose details for Westerfield kits

ajc5150 <ajc5150@...>
 

I built some Westerfield USRA SS box cars (CNJ, RDG, & C&NW), as well
as 2 RI Fowler clones. They are finished and ready for paint, minus
the air hoses.

I'm looking for suggestions as to what to use for the air hose
details. I've thought mounting a small block of styrene to the right
of the coupler box to hold a Detail Associates 6206. Is there
another part that would be more appropriate?


Thanks

Andy Cich


Re: 1925-1930 Home Cars on AT&SF and GC&SF

Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
 

Tim:
Thanks very much for the ICC stats on the AT&SF & GC&SF. This information
will help (a lot) on working out a representative balance!

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ


Re: Over Sherman Hill!

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

And you oughta know Greg, since you wrote that MM article! ;o)

At 08:09 PM 7/26/2002, you wrote:
Clark,

OOOPPPSS This was an ACF car not a PS-1 and delivered in 1948, painted FC red no black ends or roof if pre-1953. It would have an 8-foot door (YSD) and oridinally blt for coil steel and general merchandice. Tim is correct the car was shown in MM and had an IH of 10-foot 4-inches so the top rib was foreshortened.

Greg Martin

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: F&C

armprem
 

RE F&C kits:Steve's kits have improved over the years.Some of his early kits
left a lot to be desired.I have built a fair number and have found the
quality to vary. His Rutland stock cars are on a par with Westerfield and
Sunshine.His CP"Big Otis'' is also excellent.He has been upgrading many of
his cars.Two areas that need major improvement are his plans and his

decals-.Armand Premo---- Original Message -----
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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: [STMFC] F&C


I've read some snipes at F&C. What do you guys think of their quality?
I built a CNJ composite gon a couple of years ago and it practically
fell together. The underframe was complex, but all one piece. I
bought a couple of kits when they had a "sale" and I got what I paid
for, barely.
A couple of their built up kits look nice in the Walthers catalog
like their D&H gons.
I bought and built a fair number of their kits under different names
including Yankee Clipper.
The detail isn't as good as Westerfield or Sunshine but the cars are
much easier to assemble.



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Re: Lauderdale Report

Greg Martin
 

Hey Mike,

Do you have a need for an old Revell CA-1. The Walthers will finally put
mine to death...

Greg Martin


Re: Over Sherman Hill!

Greg Martin
 

Tim,

Your absolutely correct ... that's what I get for reading my mail from work
at lunch...


Tim O'Conner writes...
<< Greg I believe you're thinking of 1300-1399, which were PS-1 box cars.
Cars 1200-1299 were not PS-1.>>

But another good project...

Greg Martin


Re: Over Sherman Hill!

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Greg Martin wrote

Are you trying to ID the car type? This is a P&WV PS-1 Blt 1947
Greg I believe you're thinking of 1300-1399, which were PS-1
box cars. Cars 1200-1299 were not PS-1.


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Over Sherman Hill!

Greg Martin
 

Clark,

OOOPPPSS This was an ACF car not a PS-1 and delivered in 1948, painted FC red no black ends or roof if pre-1953. It would have an 8-foot door (YSD) and oridinally blt for coil steel and general merchandice. Tim is correct the car was shown in MM and had an IH of 10-foot 4-inches so the top rib was foreshortened.

Greg Martin


Re: Over Sherman Hill!

Greg Martin
 

Clark,

Are you trying to ID the car type? This is a P&WV PS-1 Blt 1947, no end ribs, 7-foot Superior Panel door. I am not sure of the date on your WB so I can't properly ID the paint scheme, but I belive it would have been FC Red with black ends and roof, simple P&WV reporting marks and the typical round P&WV herald (pre-1953 paint scheme with the Symbol of Servive Script). The deccal were available from Champ, but I beleive that they are now discontinued. I have a friend who has had some custom made, I believe he still has some available.Let me know if you need a set and I will contact him.

The saw mill was on the SP&S' OE sub, about 28 miles south of Salem, OR. The mill is long gone.

Hope this helps.
Greg Martin
Salem, OR


Re: Accurail Trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

Tim O'Connor grumps:

...Can't say as I share your feelings
about the Accurail "Bettendorf" truck. I can't stand 'em -- they
just look funky to me. Different strokes I guess.
Had your eyes checked lately, Tim? Could you elaborate on what you think
is "funky" about them?

IMO, the Accurail "Bettendorf" truck is one of the best on the market,
crisply molded and very close in appearance to its intended prototype; I'd
fault it only because it's mis-named. It's also the only SOTA HO truck
that represents an earlier ARA/AAR truck with a spring plank; all the
others model AAR trucks of later self-aligning spring-plankless design. So
on many models of pre-WW-II freight cars (and some cars as late as the
early 1950s) they're the only game in town.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: 1925-1930 Home Cars on AT&SF and GC&SF

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Eric,

You wrote:

Do you have similar percentage of average percent of ATSF owned cars on the
ATSF for the period 1925-1930?
Not quite because the ICC's OPERATING STATISTICS OF LARGE STEAM
RAILROADS separated the Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe from the AT&SF in the
1925-1930 period - the AT&SF numbers did include the Panhandle & Santa
Fe. For the 1940-60 Reports, the GC&SF was consolidated into the AT&SF.

The percent of AT&SF cars on the AT&SF and GC&SF cars on the GC&SF in
1925-1930 were:

AT&SF GC&SF
1925 77.2% 65.7%
1926 73.1% 63.1%
1927 75.5% 65.0%
1928 76.0% 68.1%
1929 73.2% 68.6%
1930 80.9% 78.3%

Hope this helps, Tim Gilbert

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