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Re: Over Sherman Hill!

Greg Martin
 

Clark,

Are you trying to ID the car type? This is a P&WV PS-1 Blt 1947, no end ribs, 7-foot Superior Panel door. I am not sure of the date on your WB so I can't properly ID the paint scheme, but I belive it would have been FC Red with black ends and roof, simple P&WV reporting marks and the typical round P&WV herald (pre-1953 paint scheme with the Symbol of Servive Script). The deccal were available from Champ, but I beleive that they are now discontinued. I have a friend who has had some custom made, I believe he still has some available.Let me know if you need a set and I will contact him.

The saw mill was on the SP&S' OE sub, about 28 miles south of Salem, OR. The mill is long gone.

Hope this helps.
Greg Martin
Salem, OR


Re: Accurail Trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

Tim O'Connor grumps:

...Can't say as I share your feelings
about the Accurail "Bettendorf" truck. I can't stand 'em -- they
just look funky to me. Different strokes I guess.
Had your eyes checked lately, Tim? Could you elaborate on what you think
is "funky" about them?

IMO, the Accurail "Bettendorf" truck is one of the best on the market,
crisply molded and very close in appearance to its intended prototype; I'd
fault it only because it's mis-named. It's also the only SOTA HO truck
that represents an earlier ARA/AAR truck with a spring plank; all the
others model AAR trucks of later self-aligning spring-plankless design. So
on many models of pre-WW-II freight cars (and some cars as late as the
early 1950s) they're the only game in town.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: 1925-1930 Home Cars on AT&SF and GC&SF

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Eric,

You wrote:

Do you have similar percentage of average percent of ATSF owned cars on the
ATSF for the period 1925-1930?
Not quite because the ICC's OPERATING STATISTICS OF LARGE STEAM
RAILROADS separated the Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe from the AT&SF in the
1925-1930 period - the AT&SF numbers did include the Panhandle & Santa
Fe. For the 1940-60 Reports, the GC&SF was consolidated into the AT&SF.

The percent of AT&SF cars on the AT&SF and GC&SF cars on the GC&SF in
1925-1930 were:

AT&SF GC&SF
1925 77.2% 65.7%
1926 73.1% 63.1%
1927 75.5% 65.0%
1928 76.0% 68.1%
1929 73.2% 68.6%
1930 80.9% 78.3%

Hope this helps, Tim Gilbert


Unknown metal running board

lewise_green <willibecher@...>
 

Gents:
Need your help. Have a metal running board and caboose step applied
to new cabooses in 1947 that I am unable to identify. I have ruled
out Apex, Blaw-Knox, Morton and US Gypsum. Other possibilities
include Champion, Irving and Kerrigan.

I have checked 1940, 1943, 1946, 1953 and 1957 Car Bldr Cycs, and
1954 Ry Supply Industry Yearbook. If anyone has another source or
feels he can help, I can send photo and drawing as email attachments.

Gene Green
willibecher@...


F&C

ed_mines
 

I've read some snipes at F&C. What do you guys think of their quality?
I built a CNJ composite gon a couple of years ago and it practically
fell together. The underframe was complex, but all one piece. I
bought a couple of kits when they had a "sale" and I got what I paid
for, barely.
A couple of their built up kits look nice in the Walthers catalog
like their D&H gons.
I bought and built a fair number of their kits under different names
including Yankee Clipper.
The detail isn't as good as Westerfield or Sunshine but the cars are
much easier to assemble.


Re: Lauderdale Report

WK2SHR@...
 

Mike:

Did the reps by chance state when the UP CA-series caboose would be
available for delivery to consumers??

If so, from whom may we obtain it? I've searched around, and no one seems
to know anything about it.

Thanks,

Dave


Accurail

ed_mines
 

If I'm not mistaken Dennis Storzak is the proprietor of Accurail. He
should be legendary with our group!


Re: Over Sherman Hill!

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote

I'd like to help Mike Brock get a resin kit built. So, here's a car
that I think went over Sherman Hill.

This is from the MW waybills. I was working on the spread sheet when I
saw this routing.

509 5/13 PWV 1200 XM 41'8 steel box, from Timberlane Lumber Albany OR,
to Lyman Lumber Summit Park, SP-Ogden-UP-CoBluf-MILW-MW, fir lumber 36.6 tons

See September 1993 Mainline Modeler for a builder photo of this car.
It's actually a pretty standard AAR box car and can be built with a
Branchline kit. Also see Railmodel Journal November 1999 for a shot
of P&WV #1236.

Specs: P&WV series 1200-1299 blt 1946 ACF lot 2961
10p rivet RP roof 4/4 IDE-2 YSD-1 doors 8-rung
EQUIPCO brake GYPSUM rb ASF A-3 trucks

translation:

4/4 IDE-2: 4/4 "rolling pin" w/ short top rib
YSD-1: Youngstown door w/ recessed partition seams (same
door as used on 1940-era cars)


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Over Sherman Hill!

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I'd like to help Mike Brock get a resin kit built. So, here's a car
that I think went over Sherman Hill.

This is from the MW waybills. I was working on the spread sheet when I
saw this routing.

509 5/13 PWV 1200 XM 41'8 steel box, from Timberlane Lumber Albany OR,
to Lyman Lumber Summit Park,
SP-Ogden-UP-CoBluf-MILW-MW, fir lumber 36.6 tons
Clark


Re: ACL Hoppers

D. Scott Chatfield
 

DBlake asked:

How about the steel plants in B'Ham?
There's plenty of coal in the hills of northern Alabama. That's why
Birmingham is where it is, and it wasn't even founded until the 1870s.
Like Pittsburgh, it sits near deposits of coal, iron, and limestone.

Scott Chatfield


Re: Unbeatable service

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Now, as soon as I use up my stock of Kadee couplers, I'll go back for a bulk
order of Accurail Proto:HO couplers. My initial 12 pack showed me they're my
preferred coupler.
Jim, I agree with you there. Can't say as I share your feelings
about the Accurail "Bettendorf" truck. I can't stand 'em -- they
just look funky to me. Different strokes I guess.


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Unbeatable service

Jim or Lisa Hayes <jim-and-lisa@...>
 

On Tuesday afternoon I realized that I'd run out of Bettendorf trucks. I
like Accurail trucks so I checked their web site. But I didn't want 50 pair
of trucks and I would prefer them without wheels since I use metal ones.
Sliding my eyes further down the page I found 12 pair in mineral red (wheels
not included). Perfect! I can repaint them if needed.

Now what's it going to cost me for shipping? Only $1.02? How reasonable. I
entered my order, got a confirmation and Wednesday morning a note from Eric
that they'd been shipped. The USPS did their part too and I received them
this morning (Friday). That's less than 72 hours from order to receipt.
Unbeatable service!

Now, as soon as I use up my stock of Kadee couplers, I'll go back for a bulk
order of Accurail Proto:HO couplers. My initial 12 pack showed me they're my
preferred coupler.

--
Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Tom's Average ATSF on ATSF

Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
 

Tom:
Do you have similar percentage of average percent of ATSF owned cars on the
ATSF for the period 1925-1930?

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ


Re: B&O M27's - (tongue in cheek)

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

I only pull that out for special occasions, like when a
head of state comes over to hang at my crib.

At 09:16 AM 7/26/2002, you wrote:
What's wrong with Night Train Express?

Kevin Lafferty

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timoconnor@...]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:06 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] B&O M27's - (tongue in cheek)

Bill Schneider asks

What kind of wine would you suggest with that heart?
I hear Ripple and Mad Dog are Richard's favorites. ;o)
Oh, and Chateau de Boone's Farm 1969, although it's a
bit hard to find these days.

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Sunshine Kits

tlawler@...
 

Bill,

Thanks for this great tip on assembling these cars. You going to Naperville?
I could bring mine along and get some personal guidance!

Tom


Quoting Bill Darnaby <WDarnaby@...>:

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I have built 3 wagon tops and discovered a couple of relatively easy
tricks<BR>
to improve appearance.&nbsp; I added pieces of .125 x .250 styrene
between the<BR>
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provides<BR>
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dimension of<BR>
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work<BR>
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attach<BR>
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is<BR>
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up.<BR>
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side.&nbsp; In<BR>
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roof<BR>
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board<BR>
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the<BR>
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Bill<BR>
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To: <STMFC@...><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:06 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine Kits<BR>
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Of all the kits I've built (or attempted to build) the Sunshine
B&amp;O<BR>
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boxcar is the hardest.&nbsp; Whenever I've attached the
sides/roof castings,<BR>
the<BR>
thing never looks right.&nbsp; It seems to bulb out toward the
top, not hang<BR>
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projects down for<BR>
awhile and come back to them later.<BR>
<BR>
I haven't attempted the wagontop yet, but I think Bill Welch
cut<BR>
styrene "bulkhead" cross-sections to support the
side/roof castings.<BR>
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unnecessary...<BR>
but it seemed like a good idea to me.<BR>
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The kit I had the most trouble with so far was the Greenville
gondola.<BR>
I decided to put a thin lead weight in the floor and it made it
much<BR>
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Sterling, Massachusetts<BR>
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Re: B&O M27's - (tongue in cheek)

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill Schneider says:


Just what are you saying Mike? And you seemed so nice when we talked in Lauderdale....! :>)

For those not attending train shows, standing around on concrete floors for 2.5 days in a row can have its effects on one's ability to stand up. BTW, Bill, thanks for pointing me to Coach Yard late Sunday. The 4800 class UP diner indeed wasn't a 4800. And, yes, I wasn't feeling too nice then. The dealer was as surprised as me, however, and I switched to a beautiful UP FEF-1...little more expensive, however.

Mike Brock


Re: B&O M27's - (tongue in cheek)

Kevin Lafferty <KevinHLafferty@...>
 

What's wrong with Night Train Express?

Kevin Lafferty

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timoconnor@...]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:06 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] B&O M27's - (tongue in cheek)

Bill Schneider asks

What kind of wine would you suggest with that heart?
I hear Ripple and Mad Dog are Richard's favorites. ;o)
Oh, and Chateau de Boone's Farm 1969, although it's a
bit hard to find these days.


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts



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Re: B&O M27's - (tongue in cheek)

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Bill Schneider asks

What kind of wine would you suggest with that heart?
I hear Ripple and Mad Dog are Richard's favorites. ;o)
Oh, and Chateau de Boone's Farm 1969, although it's a
bit hard to find these days.


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: O scale AT&SF questions - help of group requested

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Tim,

Budget concerns are usually a concern among modelers regardless of
scale. What must be done is to try to whittle down (a.k.a. selectively
compress) the number of freight cars which would represent a reasonable
sample of those that operated in your chosen prototype and era.

Other than the prototype, AT&SF, and era, 1944-53, you did not provide
the list of what you are trying. For instance, the Santa Fe had
different freight car demands in California than they did in Kansas. Are
you trying to model a Main Line (where?) or Branch Line (where?).

You seem to be restricting yourself only to AT&SF equipment, but only a
percentage of the freight cars on the AT&SF lines were owned by the
AT&SF - the percent of the Daily Average of Freight Cars on AT&SF which
were owned by the Santa Fe were:

1944 46.7%
1945 43.2%
1946 48.6%
1947 46.1%
1948 53.2%
1949 62.3%
1950 58.7%
1951 55.3%
1952 58.9%
1953 59.3%

This means that if you use the system average, between 37.8% and 56.8%
of your freight cars should be foreign-owned.

What should be the split by car type (box, hopper, gon, tank, etc.)
would be dependent somewhat on the locale being modeled as well as type
of operation (branchline, secondary through line or main line). A main
line will introduce the car demands of many branchlines.

If you model a branch line, the type of cars on that line will be
governed by the lineside businesses served, team tracks and LCL
merchandise service. The ownership of each type of car will vary between
car types - for instance, the percent of AT&SF boxcars on the AT&SF will
be much less than the percent of AT&SF gondolas or hoppers on line.

I am sure that by analyzing what cars you will need, you can reduce the
cost while maintaining the accuracy you want.

Hope this helps, Tim Gilbert


Re: B&O M27's - (tongue in cheek)

Bill Schneider <branch@...>
 

Just what are you saying Mike? And you seemed so nice when we talked in Lauderdale....! :>)

BTW, since one usually builds resin cars sitting down, Bill Schneider should be building more these days. No excuse, Bill.

Mike Brock



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