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Re: Accurail Trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

Tim O'Connor takes exception:

...I can't imagine why the Accurail
truck represents the "state of the art". It has no micro-lettering on the
face of the truck (and in fact has an embossed "Bettendorf" found on no
prototype I've ever seen); the brake shoes are cast into the sideframe;
the sideframe itself lacks the taper (or bow) of the prototype; the bolster
is not very realistic looking. It is a good truck, correctly dimensioned,
and represents an important prototype. But SOTA?
I'd have to agree that Kato defined state of the art in HO trucks some
years ago with their ASF A-3. So how about NSOTA (nearly state of the
art)? In that class I would include Accurail, Red Caboose, Tichy,
Intermountain, and Life-Like, all of which are way better than the junk we
used to have to work with. (Kadee doesn't make my list for the sole reason
that, as I've pointed out here before, "working" springs don't work in HO
trucks and don't look right either, as the springs are way too fine and,
with only two of them, you can see a lot of unprototypical daylight through
the spring boxes.)

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Accurail Trucks

ian clasper <ian@...>
 

Take a sharp knife and carve off those cast on brake shoes and add a set of
kadee #441 clip on brake shoes.
This conversion takes about 5mins a truck and makes a great difference. I
have also done this conversion to the Accurail USRA trucks and Branchline
Barber S2.

Ian Clasper

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timoconnor@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail Trucks


Richard Hendrickson inquires politely

Had your eyes checked lately, Tim? Could you elaborate on what
you think is "funky" about them?
I think it's the brake shoes. They just look dopey to me. Although
Accurail is not alone in this; and they do look better than many other
trucks out there. Since you model 1947 I can see why this truck would
be so vital to you. But I model mostly late 50's early 60's so most
of my models ride on spring-plankless trucks.

Maybe I should stop comparing them to the Kato ASF A-3 which just blows
away most other HO scale trucks IMO.


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts



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Re: Digest Number 735

Paul Catapano <hpcatapano@...>
 

Mr. Hendrickson wrote in part;

IMO, the Accurail "Bettendorf" truck is one of the best on the market...
Richard, what is your opinion of the Accurail Andrews freight truck, and
how or rather when would it be used?

Paul Catapano


Re: Accurail Trucks

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Sorry, guys - I should have known better. SOTA is a handy abbreviation for
"state of the art" and its use certainly isn't confined to the freight car
mafia. But I should have known better than to assume everyone on the list
would know what it meant. Mea culpa.
Hmmmm... Abbreviations can be dangerous! I can't imagine why the Accurail
truck represents the "state of the art". It has no micro-lettering on the
face of the truck (and in fact has an embossed "Bettendorf" found on no
prototype I've ever seen); the brake shoes are cast into the sideframe;
the sideframe itself lacks the taper (or bow) of the prototype; the bolster
is not very realistic looking. It is a good truck, correctly dimensioned,
and represents an important prototype. But SOTA?


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


SOTA (was: Accurail Trucks)

scott459 <scott459@...>
 

Now I'm ready if SOTA ever shows up in the TV Guide crossword.

How about CCSH freight cars? ("Coulda Crossed Sherman Hill")
ASUFTM model freight cars? ("A Step Up From Train Miniature")

Scott Pitzer


Richard Hendrickson wrote:
But I should have known better than to assume everyone on the list
would know what it meant.


Re: Accurail Trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

Richard wrote:

>It's also the only SOTA HO truck....


SOTA?


Scott Chatfield

What's that saying? "Don't be afraid to ask a dumb question-- there are
ten other people hoping you will so they won't have to."
(We thought we were "insiders" in the freight car modeling universe, but
this'll probably turn out to be something the "way-insiders" have been
using and it hasn't leaked out until now!)
Sorry, guys - I should have known better. SOTA is a handy abbreviation for
"state of the art" and its use certainly isn't confined to the freight car
mafia. But I should have known better than to assume everyone on the list
would know what it meant. Mea culpa.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Taber's GUIDE TO RAILROAD HISTORICAL RESOURCES

Ron Boham <spnut@...>
 

tim gilbert wrote:

Kevin,

You wrote:

I ran across a reference to the following text:
Guide to Railroad Historical Resources by Thomas T. Taber III (4
volumes).
I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this work and could provide
any
insight as to its value in researching data for models.
Tom Taber is a rail historian, and not a modeler. In the mid-1990's, he
advertised his National Railroad Historical Resource in TRAINS magazine.
When I started on my research about freight operations, I wrote him a
letter. His reply pointed me in the direction of the HK Copeland
Company's TRAFFIC ANALYSIS REPORTS which, he said, were in three
incomplete collections at the Harvard Business School Library,
Northwestern University and the St. Louis Mercantile Library. I went to
Cambridge MA, and found other documents including the OPERATING
STATISTICS OF LARGE STEAM RAILROADS which I used yesterday to the STMFC
in my replies to the question about the AT&SF.

I have only scanned the four volumes of the GUIDE TO HISTORICAL RAILROAD
RESOURCES only one - about five years ago at a Train Show - $100.00 was
the price for all four so I moved on. In retrospect, they may have been
helpful in my research because the GUIDE indexed where documents were in
repository.
Tom is interested in the 1:1 scale so the GUIDE's utility towards
modeling depends upon how one defines "modeling." The only "how to" in
the GUIDE would be how it was done on a 1:1 scale.

Perhaps, there is someone in the STMFC who has a greater knowledge of
how the GUIDE would relate to a recreation in miniature.

Two summers ago when I ran into him at English's Model RR Shop in
Montoursville PA, he said he was working on an all-time index of RAILWAY
AGE. I don't know what the status of this project is currently.
From the R&LHS Autumn 2001 issue of _Railroad History_, #185:


_Railroad Periodicals Index 1831-1999_, compiled by Thomas T. Taber III. Published by the author (504 South Main Street, Muncy, PA 17756), 2001. 841 pp. $75.00 hardbound + CD-ROM.

The review by Kurt R. Bell (of the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania) is glowing, the only caveat being to keep the work under 1000 pages, Taber kept the font size small, so it is sometimes hard to read. Listings are for trade press/mainstream press only, no hobby press (Trains, Model Railroader) or employee magazines. The biggest problem for most of us to use it would be to find the references cited therein. I intend to order my copy next week; I'll make a report when I receive it.

Ron Boham
Ralston, NE


Re: F&C

Don Winter <guaruba@...>
 

I just met Steve a few hours ago and bought about six of his kits! Gotta
let them age now. Don Winter


Front Range

Don Winter <guaruba@...>
 

Thanks for the update on Front Range! Don


Re: Taber's GUIDE TO RAILROAD HISTORICAL RESOURCES

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Kevin,

You wrote:

I ran across a reference to the following text:
Guide to Railroad Historical Resources by Thomas T. Taber III (4
volumes).
I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this work and could provide
any
insight as to its value in researching data for models. Also, would
anyone
have any clue as to the market value and possible sources for
acquiring
these books?
Tom Taber is a rail historian, and not a modeler. In the mid-1990's, he
advertised his National Railroad Historical Resource in TRAINS magazine.
When I started on my research about freight operations, I wrote him a
letter. His reply pointed me in the direction of the HK Copeland
Company's TRAFFIC ANALYSIS REPORTS which, he said, were in three
incomplete collections at the Harvard Business School Library,
Northwestern University and the St. Louis Mercantile Library. I went to
Cambridge MA, and found other documents including the OPERATING
STATISTICS OF LARGE STEAM RAILROADS which I used yesterday to the STMFC
in my replies to the question about the AT&SF.

I have only scanned the four volumes of the GUIDE TO HISTORICAL RAILROAD
RESOURCES only one - about five years ago at a Train Show - $100.00 was
the price for all four so I moved on. In retrospect, they may have been
helpful in my research because the GUIDE indexed where documents were in
repository.

Tom is interested in the 1:1 scale so the GUIDE's utility towards
modeling depends upon how one defines "modeling." The only "how to" in
the GUIDE would be how it was done on a 1:1 scale.

Perhaps, there is someone in the STMFC who has a greater knowledge of
how the GUIDE would relate to a recreation in miniature.

Two summers ago when I ran into him at English's Model RR Shop in
Montoursville PA, he said he was working on an all-time index of RAILWAY
AGE. I don't know what the status of this project is currently.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Accurail Trucks

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Scott Chatfield writes:


Richard wrote:

>It's also the only SOTA HO truck....


SOTA?

We are, indeed, fortunate to have Scott in the STMFC. I figured SOTA was something I should know and, therefore, wouldn't publicly admit that I don't have a clue. Thanks, Scott. Lessee...SOTA: Sherman Ought To ...Sherman Of The ....Sherman Only Time....Heck...I give up.

Mike Brock






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Re: P&WV box cars

Charlie Tapper <chastap@...>
 

Sorry for jumping in late, but I seem to be getting posts erratically,
looking back at the archives.

Aren't the 1200 series boxcars, 1200-1299, 1944 cars with a 10'4" inside
height, 4/4 ends(modified)?

The PS-1's are 1300-1399.

Charlie Tapper


Some New Cars

Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
 

Hi All,

Here are some recent arrivals on the ready to run track in HO scale.
Intermountain has the following:

USRA gon in CBQ. They are now up to 48 numbers for this road.

8000 gallon tank car for Stauffer Chemical in Los Angles. This car is in eye catching paint scheme of silver tank with a black center band, tank lower course and under frame.

ATSF reefer RR27 has been reissued in 12 more numbers.

50' PS-1 for Bangor & Aroostook in red, white and blue.


Red Caboose has entered the ready to run field with the following wood reefers:

PFE R-30-12 single colored herald, in 12 numbers.

Northern Pacific in 12 numbers.

Italian Swiss Colony, "Tipo Table Wines" TW wine car in 6 numbers.

Shortly RC will have ready to run GS gons.

Please contact me off list to purchase these cars.

Ted


Rails Unlimited
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126 Will Scarlet
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847-697-5353 or 847-697-5366
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O scale urethane cars, Photos and darkroom services
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reference books

Kevin Lafferty <KevinHLafferty@...>
 

I ran across a reference to the following text:
Guide to Railroad Historical Resources by Thomas T. Taber III (4 volumes).
I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this work and could provide any
insight as to its value in researching data for models. Also, would anyone
have any clue as to the market value and possible sources for acquiring
these books?

Kevin Lafferty


Re: Accurail Trucks

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson inquires politely

Had your eyes checked lately, Tim? Could you elaborate on what
you think is "funky" about them?
I think it's the brake shoes. They just look dopey to me. Although
Accurail is not alone in this; and they do look better than many other
trucks out there. Since you model 1947 I can see why this truck would
be so vital to you. But I model mostly late 50's early 60's so most
of my models ride on spring-plankless trucks.

Maybe I should stop comparing them to the Kato ASF A-3 which just blows
away most other HO scale trucks IMO.


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: P&WV box cars

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Clark Propst asks

Thanks Greg and Tim for responding with the data on the box car. Didn't Kadee do the PS-1 car?
Clark, no. The (several) Kadee models represent PS-1's from 1950 and later.
They opted not to produce a pre-1950 PS-1 because of differences in the ends,
roof, and underframe -- and because for each combination of features there
were too few owners. Personally I wish they would just pick one combination
and release "inexact" pre-1950 models but Larry Edwards seems not inclined
to deliberately do anything less than perfectly. (Although Kadee is rather
indifferent to running boards and trucks, which are easily replaced.)


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail Trucks

Mont Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

THE ACCURAIL "BETTENDORF" TRUCKS WITHOUT WHEELS ARE AVAILABLE FROM:

MODEL RAILROAD SUPPLY
404 WEST MAIN STREET
P.O. BOX 309
MT. SUMMIT, IN 47361

PRICE IS $1.00 PER PAIR WITH SHIPPING INCLUDED IN PRICE. MONT

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail Trucks


Tim O'Connor grumps:

...Can't say as I share your feelings
about the Accurail "Bettendorf" truck. I can't stand 'em -- they
just look funky to me. Different strokes I guess.
Had your eyes checked lately, Tim? Could you elaborate on what you think
is "funky" about them?

IMO, the Accurail "Bettendorf" truck is one of the best on the market,
crisply molded and very close in appearance to its intended prototype; I'd
fault it only because it's mis-named. It's also the only SOTA HO truck
that represents an earlier ARA/AAR truck with a spring plank; all the
others model AAR trucks of later self-aligning spring-plankless design.
So
on many models of pre-WW-II freight cars (and some cars as late as the
early 1950s) they're the only game in town.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520




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Re: Over Sherman Hill!

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Thanks Greg and Tim for responding with the data on the box car. Didn't Kadee do the PS-1 car?
Some people impose certain criteria upon themselves as a way of rationalizing the purchase of model equipment. I think Mike Brock wants models of cars that traversed Wyoming. The MW waybills give the routing, some merchandise gets handed off more than a football in the wishbone offense. This particular cars routing struck me as I was entering it as one than would meet Mike's criteria.
I'm doing the spread sheet at work and am up to June. I think Sam has posted all of the year 1954. When I'm able to sort the entries it will be neat to see the seasonal traffic changes. Already I'm entring less fuel oil and coal and more gas and building supplies. The RR itself has received several loads of ties in box cars. Matter of fact almost everything comes in box cars. I just entered the first flat car yesterday. The only reefers have been in LCL service.
Clark

tgregmrtn@... wrote:

Clark,

Are you trying to ID the car type? This is a P&WV PS-1 Blt 1947, no end ribs, 7-foot Superior Panel door. I am not sure of the date on your WB so I can't properly ID the paint scheme, but I belive it would have been FC Red with black ends and roof, simple P&WV reporting marks and the typical round P&WV herald (pre-1953 paint scheme with the Symbol of Servive Script). The deccal were available from Champ, but I beleive that they are now discontinued. I have a friend who has had some custom made, I believe he still has some available.Let me know if you need a set and I will contact him.

The saw mill was on the SP&S' OE sub, about 28 miles south of Salem, OR. The mill is long gone.

Hope this helps.
Greg Martin
Salem, OR


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Re: Lauderdale Report

WK2SHR@...
 

Mike:

Thank you.

Dave


Re: Accurail Trucks

scott459 <scott459@...>
 

Richard wrote:

>It's also the only SOTA HO truck....


SOTA?


Scott Chatfield

What's that saying? "Don't be afraid to ask a dumb question-- there are ten other people hoping you will so they won't have to."
(We thought we were "insiders" in the freight car modeling universe, but this'll probably turn out to be something the "way-insiders" have been using and it hasn't leaked out until now!)
Scott Pitzer

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