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SOUTHERN Boxcars

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Hi,



I am getting ready to start on some SpeedWitch kits using the Branchline
1500 Undec 40 ft boxcar with 8 ft doors using Ted's conversion parts. I
also have some Branchline 1514 kits of the Southern cars that I intend to
build using Ted's conversion parts to correct the ends, doors and roof walk.



Hopefully someone can steer me toward a good match for the paint used on the
Branchline 1514 kits so that when I install the SpeedWitch ends and doors I
can get a reasonably good match to the original Branchilne paint. I would
like to retain the Branchline lettering and logo on these cars and avoid
stripping them (may have to abandon this if the SpeedWitch decals are
dramatically different from the Branchline lettering on the 1514 kits).



Any and all help would be appreciated.



Allen Cain


Re: B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N

SUVCWORR@...
 

The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946. These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of 2012.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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Kadee Bracket Grab Iron Hole Locations

Dennis Storzek
 

As Promised, I have surveyed the mounting holes on a Kadee PS-1 body and have uploaded dimensioned sketches to the FILES section at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Kadee_PS-1_Grab_Iron_Holes/

All dimensions are decimal inches, to four places where necessary. The ordinate dimensions are relative to the center of the grab iron; it is up to whoever develops a drilling jig to properly relate them to other features on the car body.

The first sheet also shows the typical condition at the mounting pin / hole interface. Whoever devised the old joke about putting a square peg in a round hole obviously didn't design plastic parts, because that is exactly what Kadee has done. The mounting pegs are .017" squares with a long tapered lead; they are designed to be pressed into .020" diameter holes. A look at the drawing shows that this combination yields appx. .002" of interference at the corners of the peg, while the unfilled portions of the hole provide a place for the displaced material.This is good design practice, but it does point out that the grabs must be properly oriented before they are pressed in place; ones the corners dig into the circumference of the hole, it will be either difficult or impossible to twist them straight. If this is a problem, the holes can be increased to .024" diameter, and CA used to fill the gaps and lock the mounting peg in place.

Those who were hoping to use the really fine Kadee boxcar ladders on other projects are going to be disappointed, unless they have a drill that drills rectangular holes. Kadee has chosen, wisely, as far as I'm concerned, to make the mounting pegs rectangular, .024" x .044". This allows a much stronger mounting than round pegs could provide, and ensures that the ladders remain straight, but the difficulty of generating the rectangular slots in a model that wasn't molded with them in place is going to preclude using these ladders on other projects. Because of this, I haven't bothered to post the slot dimensions.

These are indeed wonderful parts. The grab irons and ladder rungs measure just .010" in diameter, smaller than the .012" wire that is commonly used in HO scale for these parts. The minimum diameter for these parts on the prototype is 5/8", which scales to .007", but some prototype parts are made from larger stock. The Kadee rung scale to just a bit larger than 7/8", not far from the mark.

Dennis Storzek


Odd Box Car?

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Group...

While looking though the November, 1937 issue of Railroad Magazine, I spotted this tidbit on page 130:


Boxcar No. 61843 bearing both SP oval and Wabash initial turned up here. stenciled on the side was "Leased from Wabash from the Sou. Pac. Ry." it is used exclusively for carrying auto parts out of Detroit.---RAY DUNIGAN,996 Link Ave., Springfield, O.


Anyone out there have a photo of this car or want to try to model this car?

Steve Vallee


Revisions to NYC Toledo Division Freight Consists Files

rdepennsyfan
 

Group, I have uploaded a revised List of Cars for the NYC Toledo Division freight train consists, which adds more suggestions for HO scale models to represent these cars. I have also corrected several several AAR car designations (i.e., changed "XM" to "XML"; "TPI" to "TPA"; etc.) based on the January 1957 ORER.

Finally, I removed the text files for the "model" versions of each train. These files duplicated the information found in this Excel spreadsheet and were just taking up space at this point.

I hope you still find this information useful and look forward to it generating more discussion of car distribution as a source of freight train modeling information.

Rob Erickson

P.S. I'm still hoping somebody will come up with wheel reports/consist lists for PRR Buffalo Division freight trains from the 1949-1952 era. ;-)


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

Hello,

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Description : Listing of cars found in the posted NYC Toledo Div. consists

You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Victor,
Why aren't you in Lisle?
Scalecoat Oxide Red or Floquil Oxide Red are both good choices that I use.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "wabash2813" <reporterllc@...> wrote:

I was looking for something to paint my Speedwitch Wabash Single Sheathed box cars. I note Speedwitch recommends Model Flex light oxide red but my local hobby shops don't carry it. Other than ordering it online, does anyone know anything else that would work?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "wabash2813" <reporterllc@> wrote:

Yes.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tgregmrtn@ wrote:


Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana







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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

If nothing else, the Special Oxide Red is a pretty good match for the
factory paint on the Red Caboose PRR X-29's. I used it to paint the
A-line stirrups, etc. that I added.



- - Mark


B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:


Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for which it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post WWII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
approximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the difference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to use it and than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.

Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine


Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

reporterllc
 

I was looking for something to paint my Speedwitch Wabash Single Sheathed box cars. I note Speedwitch recommends Model Flex light oxide red but my local hobby shops don't carry it. Other than ordering it online, does anyone know anything else that would work?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "wabash2813" <reporterllc@...> wrote:

Yes.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tgregmrtn@ wrote:


Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

reporterllc
 

Yes.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tgregmrtn@... wrote:


Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana









Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

Greg Martin
 

Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Floquil Special Oxide Red

reporterllc
 

What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Tangent Bethehem 70 ton drop end gon

SUVCWORR@...
 

For which roads is this car correct or reasonably correct besides

B&O
LV
WM
CRP
CNJ
NKP
WABASH
N&W FROM WABASH
WAG?
MP?

Rich Orr


B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N

SUVCWORR@...
 

Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for which it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post WWII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: bill_d_goat <billdgoat@bellsouth.net>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 4:57 pm
Subject: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N


A friend of mine has a GM&N double sheathed (Athearn) boxcar painted lime green
ith a brown door, #20141. I am trying to learn if this is legitimate. It was a
ER Region convention car run by a GM&O modeler, now deceased so I would have
hought it to be accurate.
lso, is the brown color of the new Fox Valley B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars
orrect. I have seen pictures of models painted in a brighter red.
ill Williams

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B&O, GM&N

bill_d_goat
 

A friend of mine has a GM&N double sheathed (Athearn) boxcar painted lime green with a brown door, #20141. I am trying to learn if this is legitimate. It was a SER Region convention car run by a GM&O modeler, now deceased so I would have thought it to be accurate.
Also, is the brown color of the new Fox Valley B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars correct. I have seen pictures of models painted in a brighter red.
Bill Williams


Re: Model Identification - RPM East 2010

Eric Hansmann
 

Ben,

I stand corrected on this issue. I've also heard from Keith and he verified his attendance. My apologies for adding confusion to the mix.

Eric




Eric Hansmann
New Paltz, NY

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "polaris4525" <kuban@...> wrote:

Ben & Eric,

I can confirm that B&O 380890 and 380554 should, indeed, be credited to Keith DeVault. Keith and I traveled together to RPM 2010 and those cars traveled there with us, too.

Jim Kubanick,
Morgantown WV


Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953: Volume 4

Scott
 

Anybody know if the Santa Fe historical Society will be re-release Volume 4 and a scanned book? They did it for the first few of the series. Man that book is hard to find!

Thanks,
Scott McDonald


Re: Detail Associates Steps

Larry Z. Daily <lzdaily@...>
 

Thanks! Just placed an order. The build goes on!



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Hunter, James R.
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:21 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps





Larry,

Tichy makes a similar product, #3043, double offset bottom mount
stirrup steps. www.tichytraingroup.com

Jim Hunter

Quoting larrywolohon@comcast.net <mailto:larrywolohon%40comcast.net> :

Larry,

Caboose Hobbies in Denver, Co. shows them, I think, their SKU:
02296314, shows them on order. They have in stock a lot of DA parts.
Maybe DA can't keep up with all the parts that they make or are not
making them? I just tried finding a DA website, which I found that
there is none that I found. Walthers also shows them unknown when to
be expected.

Try E Bay

Larry Wolohon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Z. Daily" <lzdaily@citlink.net <mailto:lzdaily%40citlink.net>

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:55:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps






I?ve been on a freight car building binge for a few months now and
supplies are beginning to run low on some items. One need is for the
DA 6413 double offset bottom mount steps. C&O (my prototype) really
liked those under hoppers. Every source I?ve tried is out of stock
and don?t know when they?ll be in. I?ve noticed on the Walthers site
that many (most?) of the DA steps out of stock with ?unknown? listed
for the expected availability date. Did I miss something - has DA
stopped making steps? Is there another company producing similar
parts?

Any ideas most gratefully appreciated.

Larry

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Visit the C&O's Piedmont Subdivision at

< http://www.piedmontsub.com/ > http://www.piedmontsub.com

Adam's prize was open eyes

His sentence was to see

- from The Dreamer

by Tom Rush

But each deed you do, each act, binds you

to itself and to its consequences, and makes

you act again and yet again. Then very

seldom do you come upon a space, a time like

this, between act and act, when you may stop

and simply be. Or wonder who, after all, you are.

- The Farthest Shore

- Ursula K. LeGuin

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Re: Detail Associates Steps

naptownprr
 

Larry,

Tichy makes a similar product, #3043, double offset bottom mount stirrup steps. www.tichytraingroup.com

Jim Hunter


Quoting larrywolohon@comcast.net:

Larry,

Caboose Hobbies in Denver, Co. shows them, I think, their SKU:
02296314, shows them on order. They have in stock a lot of DA parts.
Maybe DA can't keep up with all the parts that they make or are not
making them? I just tried finding a DA website, which I found that
there is none that I found. Walthers also shows them unknown when to
be expected.

Try E Bay

Larry Wolohon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Z. Daily" <lzdaily@citlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:55:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps






I?ve been on a freight car building binge for a few months now and
supplies are beginning to run low on some items. One need is for the
DA 6413 double offset bottom mount steps. C&O (my prototype) really
liked those under hoppers. Every source I?ve tried is out of stock
and don?t know when they?ll be in. I?ve noticed on the Walthers site
that many (most?) of the DA steps out of stock with ?unknown? listed
for the expected availability date. Did I miss something - has DA
stopped making steps? Is there another company producing similar
parts?

Any ideas most gratefully appreciated.

Larry

*******************************************

Visit the C&O's Piedmont Subdivision at

< http://www.piedmontsub.com/ > http://www.piedmontsub.com

Adam's prize was open eyes

His sentence was to see

- from The Dreamer

by Tom Rush

But each deed you do, each act, binds you

to itself and to its consequences, and makes

you act again and yet again. Then very

seldom do you come upon a space, a time like

this, between act and act, when you may stop

and simply be. Or wonder who, after all, you are.

- The Farthest Shore

- Ursula K. LeGuin

- spoken by Ged in chapter 3






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