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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

reporterllc
 

I was looking for something to paint my Speedwitch Wabash Single Sheathed box cars. I note Speedwitch recommends Model Flex light oxide red but my local hobby shops don't carry it. Other than ordering it online, does anyone know anything else that would work?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "wabash2813" <reporterllc@...> wrote:

Yes.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tgregmrtn@ wrote:


Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana







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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

reporterllc
 

Yes.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tgregmrtn@... wrote:


Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana









Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

Greg Martin
 

Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

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From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana







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Floquil Special Oxide Red

reporterllc
 

What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Tangent Bethehem 70 ton drop end gon

SUVCWORR@...
 

For which roads is this car correct or reasonably correct besides

B&O
LV
WM
CRP
CNJ
NKP
WABASH
N&W FROM WABASH
WAG?
MP?

Rich Orr


B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N

SUVCWORR@...
 

Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for which it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post WWII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: bill_d_goat <billdgoat@bellsouth.net>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 4:57 pm
Subject: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N


A friend of mine has a GM&N double sheathed (Athearn) boxcar painted lime green
ith a brown door, #20141. I am trying to learn if this is legitimate. It was a
ER Region convention car run by a GM&O modeler, now deceased so I would have
hought it to be accurate.
lso, is the brown color of the new Fox Valley B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars
orrect. I have seen pictures of models painted in a brighter red.
ill Williams

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B&O, GM&N

bill_d_goat
 

A friend of mine has a GM&N double sheathed (Athearn) boxcar painted lime green with a brown door, #20141. I am trying to learn if this is legitimate. It was a SER Region convention car run by a GM&O modeler, now deceased so I would have thought it to be accurate.
Also, is the brown color of the new Fox Valley B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars correct. I have seen pictures of models painted in a brighter red.
Bill Williams


Re: Model Identification - RPM East 2010

Eric Hansmann
 

Ben,

I stand corrected on this issue. I've also heard from Keith and he verified his attendance. My apologies for adding confusion to the mix.

Eric




Eric Hansmann
New Paltz, NY

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "polaris4525" <kuban@...> wrote:

Ben & Eric,

I can confirm that B&O 380890 and 380554 should, indeed, be credited to Keith DeVault. Keith and I traveled together to RPM 2010 and those cars traveled there with us, too.

Jim Kubanick,
Morgantown WV


Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953: Volume 4

Scott
 

Anybody know if the Santa Fe historical Society will be re-release Volume 4 and a scanned book? They did it for the first few of the series. Man that book is hard to find!

Thanks,
Scott McDonald


Re: Detail Associates Steps

Larry Z. Daily <lzdaily@...>
 

Thanks! Just placed an order. The build goes on!



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Hunter, James R.
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:21 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps





Larry,

Tichy makes a similar product, #3043, double offset bottom mount
stirrup steps. www.tichytraingroup.com

Jim Hunter

Quoting larrywolohon@comcast.net <mailto:larrywolohon%40comcast.net> :

Larry,

Caboose Hobbies in Denver, Co. shows them, I think, their SKU:
02296314, shows them on order. They have in stock a lot of DA parts.
Maybe DA can't keep up with all the parts that they make or are not
making them? I just tried finding a DA website, which I found that
there is none that I found. Walthers also shows them unknown when to
be expected.

Try E Bay

Larry Wolohon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Z. Daily" <lzdaily@citlink.net <mailto:lzdaily%40citlink.net>

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:55:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps






I?ve been on a freight car building binge for a few months now and
supplies are beginning to run low on some items. One need is for the
DA 6413 double offset bottom mount steps. C&O (my prototype) really
liked those under hoppers. Every source I?ve tried is out of stock
and don?t know when they?ll be in. I?ve noticed on the Walthers site
that many (most?) of the DA steps out of stock with ?unknown? listed
for the expected availability date. Did I miss something - has DA
stopped making steps? Is there another company producing similar
parts?

Any ideas most gratefully appreciated.

Larry

*******************************************

Visit the C&O's Piedmont Subdivision at

< http://www.piedmontsub.com/ > http://www.piedmontsub.com

Adam's prize was open eyes

His sentence was to see

- from The Dreamer

by Tom Rush

But each deed you do, each act, binds you

to itself and to its consequences, and makes

you act again and yet again. Then very

seldom do you come upon a space, a time like

this, between act and act, when you may stop

and simply be. Or wonder who, after all, you are.

- The Farthest Shore

- Ursula K. LeGuin

- spoken by Ged in chapter 3









Re: Detail Associates Steps

naptownprr
 

Larry,

Tichy makes a similar product, #3043, double offset bottom mount stirrup steps. www.tichytraingroup.com

Jim Hunter


Quoting larrywolohon@comcast.net:

Larry,

Caboose Hobbies in Denver, Co. shows them, I think, their SKU:
02296314, shows them on order. They have in stock a lot of DA parts.
Maybe DA can't keep up with all the parts that they make or are not
making them? I just tried finding a DA website, which I found that
there is none that I found. Walthers also shows them unknown when to
be expected.

Try E Bay

Larry Wolohon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Z. Daily" <lzdaily@citlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:55:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps






I?ve been on a freight car building binge for a few months now and
supplies are beginning to run low on some items. One need is for the
DA 6413 double offset bottom mount steps. C&O (my prototype) really
liked those under hoppers. Every source I?ve tried is out of stock
and don?t know when they?ll be in. I?ve noticed on the Walthers site
that many (most?) of the DA steps out of stock with ?unknown? listed
for the expected availability date. Did I miss something - has DA
stopped making steps? Is there another company producing similar
parts?

Any ideas most gratefully appreciated.

Larry

*******************************************

Visit the C&O's Piedmont Subdivision at

< http://www.piedmontsub.com/ > http://www.piedmontsub.com

Adam's prize was open eyes

His sentence was to see

- from The Dreamer

by Tom Rush

But each deed you do, each act, binds you

to itself and to its consequences, and makes

you act again and yet again. Then very

seldom do you come upon a space, a time like

this, between act and act, when you may stop

and simply be. Or wonder who, after all, you are.

- The Farthest Shore

- Ursula K. LeGuin

- spoken by Ged in chapter 3







Re: Detail Associates Steps

Larry Wolohon
 

Larry,

Caboose Hobbies in Denver, Co. shows them, I think, their SKU: 02296314, shows them on order. They have in stock a lot of DA parts. Maybe DA can't keep up with all the parts that they make or are not making them? I just tried finding a DA website, which I found that there is none that I found. Walthers also shows them unknown when to be expected.

Try E Bay

Larry Wolohon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Z. Daily" <lzdaily@citlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:55:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps






I’ve been on a freight car building binge for a few months now and supplies are beginning to run low on some items. One need is for the DA 6413 double offset bottom mount steps. C&O (my prototype) really liked those under hoppers. Every source I’ve tried is out of stock and don’t know when they’ll be in. I’ve noticed on the Walthers site that many (most?) of the DA steps out of stock with “unknown” listed for the expected availability date. Did I miss something - has DA stopped making steps? Is there another company producing similar parts?

Any ideas most gratefully appreciated.

Larry

*******************************************

Visit the C&O's Piedmont Subdivision at

< http://www.piedmontsub.com/ > http://www.piedmontsub.com

Adam's prize was open eyes

His sentence was to see

- from The Dreamer

by Tom Rush

But each deed you do, each act, binds you

to itself and to its consequences, and makes

you act again and yet again. Then very

seldom do you come upon a space, a time like

this, between act and act, when you may stop

and simply be. Or wonder who, after all, you are.

- The Farthest Shore

- Ursula K. LeGuin

- spoken by Ged in chapter 3

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Detail Associates Steps

Larry Z. Daily <lzdaily@...>
 

I’ve been on a freight car building binge for a few months now and supplies are beginning to run low on some items. One need is for the DA 6413 double offset bottom mount steps. C&O (my prototype) really liked those under hoppers. Every source I’ve tried is out of stock and don’t know when they’ll be in. I’ve noticed on the Walthers site that many (most?) of the DA steps out of stock with “unknown” listed for the expected availability date. Did I miss something - has DA stopped making steps? Is there another company producing similar parts?



Any ideas most gratefully appreciated.



Larry



*******************************************

Visit the C&O's Piedmont Subdivision at

<http://www.piedmontsub.com/> http://www.piedmontsub.com



Adam's prize was open eyes

His sentence was to see

- from The Dreamer

by Tom Rush



But each deed you do, each act, binds you

to itself and to its consequences, and makes

you act again and yet again. Then very

seldom do you come upon a space, a time like

this, between act and act, when you may stop

and simply be. Or wonder who, after all, you are.

- The Farthest Shore

- Ursula K. LeGuin

- spoken by Ged in chapter 3







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Re: Western Union Tidbit

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

By 1959 the last camp cars in the US had been sold for scrap, sold to railroads for further use as camp cars, or relegated to storage service at Western Union's shop at Chattanooga, where they were later burned for their metal. One three-car outfit was still operational in the maritimes in Canada until 1963 when it was returned to the US and also scrapped. After that the only cars left were the tool and material cars in the 7000 series, which gradually disappeared or were sold to railroads.

The Georgia Railroad, the Chicago & North Western, the Soo, the St. Louis-San Francisco, and the Nickel Plate are all definitely known to have had ex-Western Union camp cars, mostly acquired in the late 1940s.

Probably the easiest way to model them in HO would be to start with the La Belle wooden Pullmans (since that was what the camp cars originally were). The distinctive tool & material cars were once made by Ambroid as part of its 'One of 5000" series, and later re-issued by Northeastern.


John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve <stvvallee@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:30 am
Subject: [STMFC] Western Union Tidbit





Dear Group...

Over a year ago, there were some members asking about Western Union cars. This might not help, but I found this tidbit on page 34 of the August, 1959 issue of Railroad Magazine under their "Information Booth" section:

Q)...Does Western Union own and operate railroad cars?

A)...Yes, they have 33 on the Southern Pacific, Missouri Pacific, Seaboard Air Line, Atlantic Coast Line, New Haven, Jersey Central, Long Island, Canadian National and other roads where and when required.

They are used by WU's Plant and engineering Department for maintenance and repair of telegraph lines by crews dispatched in a completely self-sustaining unit comprising sleeping-car, dining-car and tool and material boxcars. At one time the company operated about 200 railroad cars.

Steve Vallee









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Western Union Tidbit

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Group...

Over a year ago, there were some members asking about Western Union cars. This might not help, but I found this tidbit on page 34 of the August, 1959 issue of Railroad Magazine under their "Information Booth" section:


Q)...Does Western Union own and operate railroad cars?

A)...Yes, they have 33 on the Southern Pacific, Missouri Pacific, Seaboard Air Line, Atlantic Coast Line, New Haven, Jersey Central, Long Island, Canadian National and other roads where and when required.

They are used by WU's Plant and engineering Department for maintenance and repair of telegraph lines by crews dispatched in a completely self-sustaining unit comprising sleeping-car, dining-car and tool and material boxcars. At one time the company operated about 200 railroad cars.


Steve Vallee


Tangent Scale Models: All-NEW HO Bethlehem Steel 70-ton Gondola available today!

Tangent Scale Models
 

Tangent Scale Models is pleased to announce the availability today of the Bethlehem Steel Company 52’6� 70-ton drop-end riveted gondola car as the fifth ALL-NEW model in our HO scale product line. Our HO scale precision models cater to steam, steam-transition, and diesel era modelers with original delivery schemes from Bethlehem Steel, as well as repaint offerings!

Our new gondola is available now in these RTR schemes:

- Baltimore & Ohio (B&O) Class O-59 in the original 1937 paint scheme with white stencils on a black carbody, available in 12 road numbers.

- Lehigh Valley (LV) in the 1973 repaint “Cornell red�, available in 6 road numbers.

- Western Maryland (WM) painted in the original 1953 red scheme, available in 6 road numbers.

- Undecorated RTR (with kits available December 1)

Want to see photos of our new spectacular replicas? See http://tangentscalemodels.com/bethlehem70tongondolareplicas.aspx for a link to the new models!

First produced in March 1937 for Baltimore & Ohio Railroad as class O-59, B&O alone purchased 4,000 of these drop-end gondolas which served every corner of North America in many services. Five additional railroads purchased these Bethlehem-design gondolas in intervening years until production ceased in 1957. Most of these gondolas were phased from revenue service by the mid-1980s, with many serving additional years in various MOW roles.

The Tangent Scale Models prototype replica of the Bethlehem Steel gondola has never been produced in HO scale as a styrene model, making it a distinctive addition to any freight car fleet. And as typical of our products, we take the time to focus on execution of all the small details. We studied the prototype to accurately reproduce it with the following features:
- Dimensional accuracy - scaled exactly from Bethlehem Steel plans
- Highly accurate “true to life� colors
- Exact stencils and lettering placement - compare our replicas to the prototype photos on our website!
- Detail variations: Tie downs appropriate for each paint scheme
- Detail variations: Steel or wood deck inside the car
- Detail variations: Duryea and conventional end sill detail appropriate for each paint scheme
- Detail variations: Tack board locations appropriate for each paint scheme
- Detail variations: End door variations (Dreadnaught and Straight Corrugated) appropriate for each paint scheme
- Detail variations: Brake platforms appropriate for each paint scheme
- Detail variations: Road-specific handbrakes applied to match production specifications (Universal, Ajax, or Equipco handbrakes available as separate parts, too!)
- Interior deck sits at the scale height
- Interior detail inside the gondola
- Wire grab irons and coupler lift bars
- Air hoses
- Weighted to NMRA specs for smooth operation
- Kadee® scale metal couplers
- Tangent 70-ton ASF A-3 Ride-Control trucks with free-rolling metal wheels
- Recommended age 14 years and older.

Our new gondola continues to come with the well-executed Tangent Scale Models 70-ton ASF A-3 Ride-Control trucks with free-rolling all-metal wheels. Our ready-to-operate replica is finished with coupler lift bars accompanying Kadee® scale couplers and sufficient hidden weights to ensure the model operates as good as it looks.

Pricing for our new RTR gondolas is $32.95 each, and we offer discounts for quantities of 6, 12, and 24 models. Feel free to “mix and matchâ€� your own multi-scheme order, and you can “mix and matchâ€� with our previously released ACF Gondolas â€" currently available in PRR (2 flavors), SP (3 flavors), Wabash (2 flavors), and Undecorated.

These cars are available for sale right now. Please order online from us today from www.tangentscalemodels.com for fastest, guaranteed shipping. You may also call us at 828-279-6106 to place an order over the phone.

Thank you for continuing to support Tangent Scale Models!

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models
“Unparalleled scale replicas for discriminating railroad modelers�
www.tangentscalemodels.com
info@tangentscalemodels.com
PO Box 6514
Asheville NC 28816
828-279-6106


Re: Warped Plastic Gondola

Benjamin Hom
 

Paul Hillman wrote:
"Well, I'll be durned!!! I finally found the small manufacturer name in the
car's

underframe, covered with some paint. It was made by, "Bachmann - Made in
Taiwan"."

Paul, thanks.  I had forgotten about the Bachmann version of this model.
http://ho-scaletrains.net/bachmannhoscalerollingstock/id37.html


"In my quick, initial measurements, the ends, width and length are close to the
prototype, but the sides appear about 8 inches too tall at 5ft-0 in, instead of
4 ft - 4 in. The C&EI Dwg. calls the prototype a, "LOW-SIDE STEEL GONDOLA".
<<snip>>
But, for reference, the proto-dwgs. show:

42 ft - 7 1/8 in Length - Over Striking castings
7 ft - 3 3/4 in Height - Above railhead
31 ft - 0 in Truck Centers
3 ft - 9 3/8 in Railhead to Top of Floor
10 ft - 5 in Width - Over Chords"

8 inches is a lot, but this does present a use for this model, much as we got
some extra mileage from the Tyco gon by cutting it down in height to model 40 ft
D&H gons and their copies on the NEB&W roster.  If the rest of the details and
dimensions are close, it's an esay matter to do the same to the
Varney/Life-Like/AHM/Mehano/Walthers/Bachmann... 40 ft gon.


"Isn't it "illegal" to scan the C&EI HS magazine and post it, etc.? But I think
if you want to contact Bob McQuown at the C&EIHS he would be glad to provide the

prototype drawings, at: president@ceihs.org<mailto:president@ceihs.org>"

Without permission, it certainly is.  Besides, I'm certainly OK with purchasing
a copy of the issue in question from the society - after doing enough of this
stuff for free, the least I could do is kick $12 plus shipping to the C&EI
Society for the effort to publish this work.


"Maybe the C&EI had another series of gons even closer to this Bachmann model.
(They had several different series.) But, if this one will work, and with the
"free" or inexpensive offers you've all made, I could build a large fleet of
them."

Just give the word!  Not only do I have some extras in the morgue, I can scare
up more from the basement in Davision Hall that can be had for a donation to the
club.


Ben Hom


Re: Warped Plastic Gondola

Paul Hillman
 

Well, I'll be durned!!! I finally found the small manufacturer name in the car's underframe, covered with some paint. It was made by, "Bachmann - Made in Taiwan".

In my quick, initial measurements, the ends, width and length are close to the prototype, but the sides appear about 8 inches too tall at 5ft-0 in, instead of 4 ft - 4 in. The C&EI Dwg. calls the prototype a, "LOW-SIDE STEEL GONDOLA".

Isn't it "illegal" to scan the C&EI HS magazine and post it, etc.? But I think if you want to contact Bob McQuown at the C&EIHS he would be glad to provide the prototype drawings, at: president@ceihs.org<mailto:president@ceihs.org>

But, for reference, the proto-dwgs. show:

42 ft - 7 1/8 in Length - Over Striking castings
7 ft - 3 3/4 in Height - Above railhead
31 ft - 0 in Truck Centers
3 ft - 9 3/8 in Railhead to Top of Floor
10 ft - 5 in Width - Over Chords

Maybe the C&EI had another series of gons even closer to this Bachmann model. (They had several different series.) But, if this one will work, and with the "free" or inexpensive offers you've all made, I could build a large fleet of them.

Thanks to all,

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Hom<mailto:b.hom@att.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Warped Plastic Gondola



Tim added:
“I am amazed you found a prototype for the model! :-)”

I am too. We’ve been looking for years for a prototype for this model, and I’m
a bit skeptical about Paul’s call on this one. I’ll have to pick a copy of the
reference and see for myself.

Ben Hom


URMX reporting numbers/leasees.

Jason Kliewer
 

Does any one know who the leesee(s) was for URMX reefers #40068-#40741. I model 1968 and I have a train list from 1965. The URMX reporting marks were discontinued by '68 but I would like to know who the leesee was and maybe make a replacement car.


Thank you for any help.


Jason Kliewer
Colorado Springs, CO


Re: Model Identification - RPM East 2010

mici256751
 

Ben & Eric,

I can confirm that B&O 380890 and 380554 should, indeed, be credited to Keith DeVault. Keith and I traveled together to RPM 2010 and those cars traveled there with us, too.

Jim Kubanick,
Morgantown WV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <eric@...> wrote:

Ben,

I don't think Keith DeVault attended the 2010 RPM East event. He lives closer to Pittsburgh and has been to the 2009 and 2011 events.

Eric


Eric Hansmann
now in New Paltz, NY!


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@> wrote:

Dennis Williams wrote:
"The B&Os look to be Eric Thur's cars."

ALL of them?  There was more than one modeler there exhibiting B&O boxcars.


"I know he will be at Lisle this weekend."

Thanks.  Unfortunately, I will not be there, but will be in Troy NY instead to
knock out some work on the NEB&W and take part in RPI Reunion and Homecoming
Weekend.


Ben Hom

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