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Revisions to NYC Toledo Division Freight Consists Files

rdepennsyfan
 

Group, I have uploaded a revised List of Cars for the NYC Toledo Division freight train consists, which adds more suggestions for HO scale models to represent these cars. I have also corrected several several AAR car designations (i.e., changed "XM" to "XML"; "TPI" to "TPA"; etc.) based on the January 1957 ORER.

Finally, I removed the text files for the "model" versions of each train. These files duplicated the information found in this Excel spreadsheet and were just taking up space at this point.

I hope you still find this information useful and look forward to it generating more discussion of car distribution as a source of freight train modeling information.

Rob Erickson

P.S. I'm still hoping somebody will come up with wheel reports/consist lists for PRR Buffalo Division freight trains from the 1949-1952 era. ;-)


New file uploaded to STMFC

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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Victor,
Why aren't you in Lisle?
Scalecoat Oxide Red or Floquil Oxide Red are both good choices that I use.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "wabash2813" <reporterllc@...> wrote:

I was looking for something to paint my Speedwitch Wabash Single Sheathed box cars. I note Speedwitch recommends Model Flex light oxide red but my local hobby shops don't carry it. Other than ordering it online, does anyone know anything else that would work?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "wabash2813" <reporterllc@> wrote:

Yes.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tgregmrtn@ wrote:


Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana







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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

If nothing else, the Special Oxide Red is a pretty good match for the
factory paint on the Red Caboose PRR X-29's. I used it to paint the
A-line stirrups, etc. that I added.



- - Mark


B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:


Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for which it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post WWII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
approximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the difference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to use it and than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.

Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine


Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

reporterllc
 

I was looking for something to paint my Speedwitch Wabash Single Sheathed box cars. I note Speedwitch recommends Model Flex light oxide red but my local hobby shops don't carry it. Other than ordering it online, does anyone know anything else that would work?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "wabash2813" <reporterllc@...> wrote:

Yes.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tgregmrtn@ wrote:


Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana







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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

reporterllc
 

Yes.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tgregmrtn@... wrote:


Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana









Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red

Greg Martin
 

Victor,

Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red




What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana







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Floquil Special Oxide Red

reporterllc
 

What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Tangent Bethehem 70 ton drop end gon

SUVCWORR@...
 

For which roads is this car correct or reasonably correct besides

B&O
LV
WM
CRP
CNJ
NKP
WABASH
N&W FROM WABASH
WAG?
MP?

Rich Orr


B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N

SUVCWORR@...
 

Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for which it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post WWII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: bill_d_goat <billdgoat@bellsouth.net>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 4:57 pm
Subject: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N


A friend of mine has a GM&N double sheathed (Athearn) boxcar painted lime green
ith a brown door, #20141. I am trying to learn if this is legitimate. It was a
ER Region convention car run by a GM&O modeler, now deceased so I would have
hought it to be accurate.
lso, is the brown color of the new Fox Valley B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars
orrect. I have seen pictures of models painted in a brighter red.
ill Williams

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B&O, GM&N

bill_d_goat
 

A friend of mine has a GM&N double sheathed (Athearn) boxcar painted lime green with a brown door, #20141. I am trying to learn if this is legitimate. It was a SER Region convention car run by a GM&O modeler, now deceased so I would have thought it to be accurate.
Also, is the brown color of the new Fox Valley B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars correct. I have seen pictures of models painted in a brighter red.
Bill Williams


Re: Model Identification - RPM East 2010

Eric Hansmann
 

Ben,

I stand corrected on this issue. I've also heard from Keith and he verified his attendance. My apologies for adding confusion to the mix.

Eric




Eric Hansmann
New Paltz, NY

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "polaris4525" <kuban@...> wrote:

Ben & Eric,

I can confirm that B&O 380890 and 380554 should, indeed, be credited to Keith DeVault. Keith and I traveled together to RPM 2010 and those cars traveled there with us, too.

Jim Kubanick,
Morgantown WV


Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953: Volume 4

Scott
 

Anybody know if the Santa Fe historical Society will be re-release Volume 4 and a scanned book? They did it for the first few of the series. Man that book is hard to find!

Thanks,
Scott McDonald


Re: Detail Associates Steps

Larry Z. Daily <lzdaily@...>
 

Thanks! Just placed an order. The build goes on!



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Hunter, James R.
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:21 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps





Larry,

Tichy makes a similar product, #3043, double offset bottom mount
stirrup steps. www.tichytraingroup.com

Jim Hunter

Quoting larrywolohon@comcast.net <mailto:larrywolohon%40comcast.net> :

Larry,

Caboose Hobbies in Denver, Co. shows them, I think, their SKU:
02296314, shows them on order. They have in stock a lot of DA parts.
Maybe DA can't keep up with all the parts that they make or are not
making them? I just tried finding a DA website, which I found that
there is none that I found. Walthers also shows them unknown when to
be expected.

Try E Bay

Larry Wolohon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Z. Daily" <lzdaily@citlink.net <mailto:lzdaily%40citlink.net>

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:55:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps






I?ve been on a freight car building binge for a few months now and
supplies are beginning to run low on some items. One need is for the
DA 6413 double offset bottom mount steps. C&O (my prototype) really
liked those under hoppers. Every source I?ve tried is out of stock
and don?t know when they?ll be in. I?ve noticed on the Walthers site
that many (most?) of the DA steps out of stock with ?unknown? listed
for the expected availability date. Did I miss something - has DA
stopped making steps? Is there another company producing similar
parts?

Any ideas most gratefully appreciated.

Larry

*******************************************

Visit the C&O's Piedmont Subdivision at

< http://www.piedmontsub.com/ > http://www.piedmontsub.com

Adam's prize was open eyes

His sentence was to see

- from The Dreamer

by Tom Rush

But each deed you do, each act, binds you

to itself and to its consequences, and makes

you act again and yet again. Then very

seldom do you come upon a space, a time like

this, between act and act, when you may stop

and simply be. Or wonder who, after all, you are.

- The Farthest Shore

- Ursula K. LeGuin

- spoken by Ged in chapter 3









Re: Detail Associates Steps

naptownprr
 

Larry,

Tichy makes a similar product, #3043, double offset bottom mount stirrup steps. www.tichytraingroup.com

Jim Hunter


Quoting larrywolohon@comcast.net:

Larry,

Caboose Hobbies in Denver, Co. shows them, I think, their SKU:
02296314, shows them on order. They have in stock a lot of DA parts.
Maybe DA can't keep up with all the parts that they make or are not
making them? I just tried finding a DA website, which I found that
there is none that I found. Walthers also shows them unknown when to
be expected.

Try E Bay

Larry Wolohon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Z. Daily" <lzdaily@citlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:55:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps






I?ve been on a freight car building binge for a few months now and
supplies are beginning to run low on some items. One need is for the
DA 6413 double offset bottom mount steps. C&O (my prototype) really
liked those under hoppers. Every source I?ve tried is out of stock
and don?t know when they?ll be in. I?ve noticed on the Walthers site
that many (most?) of the DA steps out of stock with ?unknown? listed
for the expected availability date. Did I miss something - has DA
stopped making steps? Is there another company producing similar
parts?

Any ideas most gratefully appreciated.

Larry

*******************************************

Visit the C&O's Piedmont Subdivision at

< http://www.piedmontsub.com/ > http://www.piedmontsub.com

Adam's prize was open eyes

His sentence was to see

- from The Dreamer

by Tom Rush

But each deed you do, each act, binds you

to itself and to its consequences, and makes

you act again and yet again. Then very

seldom do you come upon a space, a time like

this, between act and act, when you may stop

and simply be. Or wonder who, after all, you are.

- The Farthest Shore

- Ursula K. LeGuin

- spoken by Ged in chapter 3







Re: Detail Associates Steps

Larry Wolohon
 

Larry,

Caboose Hobbies in Denver, Co. shows them, I think, their SKU: 02296314, shows them on order. They have in stock a lot of DA parts. Maybe DA can't keep up with all the parts that they make or are not making them? I just tried finding a DA website, which I found that there is none that I found. Walthers also shows them unknown when to be expected.

Try E Bay

Larry Wolohon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Z. Daily" <lzdaily@citlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:55:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps






I’ve been on a freight car building binge for a few months now and supplies are beginning to run low on some items. One need is for the DA 6413 double offset bottom mount steps. C&O (my prototype) really liked those under hoppers. Every source I’ve tried is out of stock and don’t know when they’ll be in. I’ve noticed on the Walthers site that many (most?) of the DA steps out of stock with “unknown” listed for the expected availability date. Did I miss something - has DA stopped making steps? Is there another company producing similar parts?

Any ideas most gratefully appreciated.

Larry

*******************************************

Visit the C&O's Piedmont Subdivision at

< http://www.piedmontsub.com/ > http://www.piedmontsub.com

Adam's prize was open eyes

His sentence was to see

- from The Dreamer

by Tom Rush

But each deed you do, each act, binds you

to itself and to its consequences, and makes

you act again and yet again. Then very

seldom do you come upon a space, a time like

this, between act and act, when you may stop

and simply be. Or wonder who, after all, you are.

- The Farthest Shore

- Ursula K. LeGuin

- spoken by Ged in chapter 3

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Detail Associates Steps

Larry Z. Daily <lzdaily@...>
 

I’ve been on a freight car building binge for a few months now and supplies are beginning to run low on some items. One need is for the DA 6413 double offset bottom mount steps. C&O (my prototype) really liked those under hoppers. Every source I’ve tried is out of stock and don’t know when they’ll be in. I’ve noticed on the Walthers site that many (most?) of the DA steps out of stock with “unknown” listed for the expected availability date. Did I miss something - has DA stopped making steps? Is there another company producing similar parts?



Any ideas most gratefully appreciated.



Larry



*******************************************

Visit the C&O's Piedmont Subdivision at

<http://www.piedmontsub.com/>; http://www.piedmontsub.com



Adam's prize was open eyes

His sentence was to see

- from The Dreamer

by Tom Rush



But each deed you do, each act, binds you

to itself and to its consequences, and makes

you act again and yet again. Then very

seldom do you come upon a space, a time like

this, between act and act, when you may stop

and simply be. Or wonder who, after all, you are.

- The Farthest Shore

- Ursula K. LeGuin

- spoken by Ged in chapter 3







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Re: Western Union Tidbit

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

By 1959 the last camp cars in the US had been sold for scrap, sold to railroads for further use as camp cars, or relegated to storage service at Western Union's shop at Chattanooga, where they were later burned for their metal. One three-car outfit was still operational in the maritimes in Canada until 1963 when it was returned to the US and also scrapped. After that the only cars left were the tool and material cars in the 7000 series, which gradually disappeared or were sold to railroads.

The Georgia Railroad, the Chicago & North Western, the Soo, the St. Louis-San Francisco, and the Nickel Plate are all definitely known to have had ex-Western Union camp cars, mostly acquired in the late 1940s.

Probably the easiest way to model them in HO would be to start with the La Belle wooden Pullmans (since that was what the camp cars originally were). The distinctive tool & material cars were once made by Ambroid as part of its 'One of 5000" series, and later re-issued by Northeastern.


John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve <stvvallee@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:30 am
Subject: [STMFC] Western Union Tidbit





Dear Group...

Over a year ago, there were some members asking about Western Union cars. This might not help, but I found this tidbit on page 34 of the August, 1959 issue of Railroad Magazine under their "Information Booth" section:

Q)...Does Western Union own and operate railroad cars?

A)...Yes, they have 33 on the Southern Pacific, Missouri Pacific, Seaboard Air Line, Atlantic Coast Line, New Haven, Jersey Central, Long Island, Canadian National and other roads where and when required.

They are used by WU's Plant and engineering Department for maintenance and repair of telegraph lines by crews dispatched in a completely self-sustaining unit comprising sleeping-car, dining-car and tool and material boxcars. At one time the company operated about 200 railroad cars.

Steve Vallee









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Western Union Tidbit

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Group...

Over a year ago, there were some members asking about Western Union cars. This might not help, but I found this tidbit on page 34 of the August, 1959 issue of Railroad Magazine under their "Information Booth" section:


Q)...Does Western Union own and operate railroad cars?

A)...Yes, they have 33 on the Southern Pacific, Missouri Pacific, Seaboard Air Line, Atlantic Coast Line, New Haven, Jersey Central, Long Island, Canadian National and other roads where and when required.

They are used by WU's Plant and engineering Department for maintenance and repair of telegraph lines by crews dispatched in a completely self-sustaining unit comprising sleeping-car, dining-car and tool and material boxcars. At one time the company operated about 200 railroad cars.


Steve Vallee

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