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Re: Revisions to NYC Toledo Division Freight Consists Files
SUVCWORR@...
Finding PRR wheel reports and consist lists is nearly impossible. The PRR considered these to be proprietary and that falling into the "wrong" hands could give competitive advantage to other roads. The SOP was to destroy the lists and reports once no longer needed for car movement.
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Rich Orr
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From: rdepennsyfan <pattirobpatti1@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 10:24 am Subject: [STMFC] Revisions to NYC Toledo Division Freight Consists Files Group, I have uploaded a revised List of Cars for the NYC Toledo Division reight train consists, which adds more suggestions for HO scale models to epresent these cars. I have also corrected several several AAR car esignations (i.e., changed "XM" to "XML"; "TPI" to "TPA"; etc.) based on the anuary 1957 ORER. Finally, I removed the text files for the "model" versions of each train. These iles duplicated the information found in this Excel spreadsheet and were just aking up space at this point. I hope you still find this information useful and look forward to it generating ore discussion of car distribution as a source of freight train modeling nformation. Rob Erickson P.S. I'm still hoping somebody will come up with wheel reports/consist lists or PRR Buffalo Division freight trains from the 1949-1952 era. ;-) ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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SOUTHERN Boxcars
Allen Cain <allencain@...>
Hi,
I am getting ready to start on some SpeedWitch kits using the Branchline 1500 Undec 40 ft boxcar with 8 ft doors using Ted's conversion parts. I also have some Branchline 1514 kits of the Southern cars that I intend to build using Ted's conversion parts to correct the ends, doors and roof walk. Hopefully someone can steer me toward a good match for the paint used on the Branchline 1514 kits so that when I install the SpeedWitch ends and doors I can get a reasonably good match to the original Branchilne paint. I would like to retain the Branchline lettering and logo on these cars and avoid stripping them (may have to abandon this if the SpeedWitch decals are dramatically different from the Branchline lettering on the 1514 kits). Any and all help would be appreciated. Allen Cain
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Re: B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N
SUVCWORR@...
The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946. These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of 2012.
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Rich Orr
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From: Don <riverman_vt@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N --- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote: Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes. The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted. Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to use it nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948. Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Kadee Bracket Grab Iron Hole Locations
soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
As Promised, I have surveyed the mounting holes on a Kadee PS-1 body and have uploaded dimensioned sketches to the FILES section at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Kadee_PS-1_Grab_Iron_Holes/ All dimensions are decimal inches, to four places where necessary. The ordinate dimensions are relative to the center of the grab iron; it is up to whoever develops a drilling jig to properly relate them to other features on the car body. The first sheet also shows the typical condition at the mounting pin / hole interface. Whoever devised the old joke about putting a square peg in a round hole obviously didn't design plastic parts, because that is exactly what Kadee has done. The mounting pegs are .017" squares with a long tapered lead; they are designed to be pressed into .020" diameter holes. A look at the drawing shows that this combination yields appx. .002" of interference at the corners of the peg, while the unfilled portions of the hole provide a place for the displaced material.This is good design practice, but it does point out that the grabs must be properly oriented before they are pressed in place; ones the corners dig into the circumference of the hole, it will be either difficult or impossible to twist them straight. If this is a problem, the holes can be increased to .024" diameter, and CA used to fill the gaps and lock the mounting peg in place. Those who were hoping to use the really fine Kadee boxcar ladders on other projects are going to be disappointed, unless they have a drill that drills rectangular holes. Kadee has chosen, wisely, as far as I'm concerned, to make the mounting pegs rectangular, .024" x .044". This allows a much stronger mounting than round pegs could provide, and ensures that the ladders remain straight, but the difficulty of generating the rectangular slots in a model that wasn't molded with them in place is going to preclude using these ladders on other projects. Because of this, I haven't bothered to post the slot dimensions. These are indeed wonderful parts. The grab irons and ladder rungs measure just .010" in diameter, smaller than the .012" wire that is commonly used in HO scale for these parts. The minimum diameter for these parts on the prototype is 5/8", which scales to .007", but some prototype parts are made from larger stock. The Kadee rung scale to just a bit larger than 7/8", not far from the mark. Dennis Storzek
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Odd Box Car?
Steve Vallee
Dear Group...
While looking though the November, 1937 issue of Railroad Magazine, I spotted this tidbit on page 130: Boxcar No. 61843 bearing both SP oval and Wabash initial turned up here. stenciled on the side was "Leased from Wabash from the Sou. Pac. Ry." it is used exclusively for carrying auto parts out of Detroit.---RAY DUNIGAN,996 Link Ave., Springfield, O. Anyone out there have a photo of this car or want to try to model this car? Steve Vallee
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Revisions to NYC Toledo Division Freight Consists Files
rdepennsyfan
Group, I have uploaded a revised List of Cars for the NYC Toledo Division freight train consists, which adds more suggestions for HO scale models to represent these cars. I have also corrected several several AAR car designations (i.e., changed "XM" to "XML"; "TPI" to "TPA"; etc.) based on the January 1957 ORER.
Finally, I removed the text files for the "model" versions of each train. These files duplicated the information found in this Excel spreadsheet and were just taking up space at this point. I hope you still find this information useful and look forward to it generating more discussion of car distribution as a source of freight train modeling information. Rob Erickson P.S. I'm still hoping somebody will come up with wheel reports/consist lists for PRR Buffalo Division freight trains from the 1949-1952 era. ;-)
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /NYC Toledo Div. Consists/List of Cars-rev4.xls Uploaded by : rdepennsyfan <pattirobpatti1@...> Description : Listing of cars found in the posted NYC Toledo Div. consists You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/NYC%20Toledo%20Div.%20Consists/List%20of%20Cars-rev4.xls To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, rdepennsyfan <pattirobpatti1@...>
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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red
Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
Victor,
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Why aren't you in Lisle? Scalecoat Oxide Red or Floquil Oxide Red are both good choices that I use. Pierre Oliver
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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red
Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
If nothing else, the Special Oxide Red is a pretty good match for the
factory paint on the Red Caboose PRR X-29's. I used it to paint the A-line stirrups, etc. that I added. - - Mark
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B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N
Don <riverman_vt@...>
--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:
Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's approximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the difference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to use it and than find it did not come into general use until after 1948. Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine
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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red
I was looking for something to paint my Speedwitch Wabash Single Sheathed box cars. I note Speedwitch recommends Model Flex light oxide red but my local hobby shops don't carry it. Other than ordering it online, does anyone know anything else that would work?
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Victor Baird Fort Wayne, Indiana
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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red
Yes.
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Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red
Greg Martin
Victor,
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Are you talking about Poly Scale? I am not familiar with Special Oxide Red in the Floquil line. Greg Martin
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From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:29 pm Subject: [STMFC] Floquil Special Oxide Red What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color? Victor Baird Fort Wayne, Indiana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Floquil Special Oxide Red
What is special about it? Does it have any specific application for a freight car color?
Victor Baird Fort Wayne, Indiana
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Tangent Bethehem 70 ton drop end gon
SUVCWORR@...
For which roads is this car correct or reasonably correct besides
B&O LV WM CRP CNJ NKP WABASH N&W FROM WABASH WAG? MP? Rich Orr
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B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N
SUVCWORR@...
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for which it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post WWII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.
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The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted. Rich Orr
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From: bill_d_goat <billdgoat@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 4:57 pm Subject: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N A friend of mine has a GM&N double sheathed (Athearn) boxcar painted lime green ith a brown door, #20141. I am trying to learn if this is legitimate. It was a ER Region convention car run by a GM&O modeler, now deceased so I would have hought it to be accurate. lso, is the brown color of the new Fox Valley B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars orrect. I have seen pictures of models painted in a brighter red. ill Williams ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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B&O, GM&N
bill_d_goat
A friend of mine has a GM&N double sheathed (Athearn) boxcar painted lime green with a brown door, #20141. I am trying to learn if this is legitimate. It was a SER Region convention car run by a GM&O modeler, now deceased so I would have thought it to be accurate.
Also, is the brown color of the new Fox Valley B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars correct. I have seen pictures of models painted in a brighter red. Bill Williams
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Re: Model Identification - RPM East 2010
Eric Hansmann
Ben,
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I stand corrected on this issue. I've also heard from Keith and he verified his attendance. My apologies for adding confusion to the mix. Eric Eric Hansmann New Paltz, NY
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Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953: Volume 4
Scott
Anybody know if the Santa Fe historical Society will be re-release Volume 4 and a scanned book? They did it for the first few of the series. Man that book is hard to find!
Thanks, Scott McDonald
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Re: Detail Associates Steps
Larry Z. Daily <lzdaily@...>
Thanks! Just placed an order. The build goes on!
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Hunter, James R. Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:21 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Detail Associates Steps Larry, Tichy makes a similar product, #3043, double offset bottom mount stirrup steps. www.tichytraingroup.com Jim Hunter Quoting larrywolohon@... <mailto:larrywolohon%40comcast.net> :
Larry,
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