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Re: B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N

SUVCWORR@...
 

It was applied to both but was the first scheme used on the red cars according to the B&O Historical Society info.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: steel77086 <steel77086@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N


Rich,

I'm a bit confused. I've just received a couple of the Fox cars with the 13
Great States herald in brown paint. Do you mean to say that the 13 Great
States herald was ONLY
applied to the "red" cars and NOT the brown?? I thought the Fox Valley
cars were
all correct.

Vince Altiere


In a message dated 10/22/2011 12:53:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
SUVCWORR@... writes:


The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946.
These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of
2012.

Rich Orr



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From: Don <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes
for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted
post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to
use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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Re: B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N

steel77086@...
 

Rich,

I'm a bit confused. I've just received a couple of the Fox cars with the 13
Great States herald in brown paint. Do you mean to say that the 13 Great
States herald was ONLY
applied to the "red" cars and NOT the brown?? I thought the Fox Valley
cars were
all correct.

Vince Altiere

In a message dated 10/22/2011 12:53:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
SUVCWORR@... writes:


The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946.
These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of
2012.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes
for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted
post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to
use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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Re: Weathering clinic handout

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

Tony - thanks for making this available!

All - on my computer (Win7) I had to download and open the
file using Adobe to get it to print correctly.
- Jim


Need help with covered hopper discharge types

ltctilley <ltctilley@...>
 

Hi STMFC
I was researching covered hoppers and discovered several types of discharge systems I was not familiar with. Can anyone provide information or photos of an Enterprise "short track" discharge, Keystone "long track" discharge, or Morrison-Knudsen discharge? If similar variations exist with pneumatic discharge systems exist, I would be grateful for info on them as well.

Keep up the great info flow. I read this list daily and enjoy it every time. Your wealth of knowledge is boundless.
thanks
Chris Tilley
outside the US for now...
Pittsboro, NC


Other Lisle highlights

Bill Welch
 

Among the many good things from the weekend in Lisle these were a few
highlights IMO.

Chad Boas did a "Land Office" business with his several new flat cars.

I cannot find her card with her name but the young woman representing
"Archer" was delightful and soaking up and writing down ideas. She
hopes to be at Cocoa Beach and Greensburg. I bought two package of
rivets to start experimenting with a couple of unique FGE steel car
patterns.

Much to my delight Steve Funaro has re-issued his MP/IGN/M-I/StLB&M
panel side gondola with interior details as a one-piece casting. I am
about finished with clean-up. It is sweet!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: FOTFC shirts

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

On Mon, October 24, 2011 1:41 pm, Anthony Thompson wrote:
gary laakso wrote:
Are you considering doing a version captioned: "friends of the
stash of resin car kit boxes"?
Interesting thought, Gary. <g> But then would we have to define
what is a "big" stash of kits? Would a person owning a single unbuilt
resin kit qualify? This opens a can of worms I'm not sure I want to
look into.
This conversation has just inspired me to dream up a "Model Marinator"
logo... perhaps a couple stacks of Shake the Box kit boxes as viewed from
the end.


--
Jeff Shultz
http://www.shultzinfosystems.com


Re: FOTFC shirts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

gary laakso wrote:
Are you considering doing a version captioned: "friends of the stash of resin car kit boxes"?
Interesting thought, Gary. <g> But then would we have to define what is a "big" stash of kits? Would a person owning a single unbuilt resin kit qualify? This opens a can of worms I'm not sure I want to look into.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: FOTFC shirts

gary laakso
 

Are you considering doing a version captioned: "friends of the stash of resin car kit boxes"?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 10/24/2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] FOTFC shirts



Just an update for those interested. We sold around half the
shirts at Lisle, and will take the remainder to Cocoa Beach in
January. At this point, so as to have a good selection at Cocoa Beach,
I'd prefer not to sell shirts by mail in the interim. If you have
already reserved a shirt, it will be mailed. Otherwise, I want to wait
until after Cocoa Beach before filling any more mail orders.
Anyone not aware of what these are, and the history behind them,
please see my blog post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/10/friends-of-freight-car.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




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FOTFC shirts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Just an update for those interested. We sold around half the shirts at Lisle, and will take the remainder to Cocoa Beach in January. At this point, so as to have a good selection at Cocoa Beach, I'd prefer not to sell shirts by mail in the interim. If you have already reserved a shirt, it will be mailed. Otherwise, I want to wait until after Cocoa Beach before filling any more mail orders.
Anyone not aware of what these are, and the history behind them, please see my blog post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/10/friends-of-freight-car.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Weathering clinic handout

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

At the just-concluded Lisle meeting, Richard Hendrickson and I did a joint clinic on weathering of freight cars. We ran out of handouts, so I have posted the handout document via GoogleDocs on my blog. Here is the link.

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/10/weathering-clinic-handout.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Walthers 54 ft. GSC flat car Car No. 469980 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Tim you are right. I have one partly built, and chose the Walthers since it
looks more like a cast frame than the Tichy, and also the lack of cast-on
board makes it easier, esp to install the cross members and stringers that
show on the deck surface.

If you want a shot of the deck so you can see the diffs, you may have to look
at the PRR flat car book...

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:32 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Walthers 54 ft. GSC flat car Car No. 469980



Elden

That's true, but if you were going to model one, you would start with the
Walthers flat car model, because it's far more like the F41's than anything
else out there and modifications are much easier thanks to the separate deck.

Tim O'Connor

The Walters "Commonwealth" flat is not an F41, F41A or F41B. All of those had
a cast frame with different framing aft the bolsters, shallower end sills and
side sills up to the bolster, and other differences.
Elden Gatwood





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Prototype for MDC/Athearn 41 foot gondola

Matthew J. Moellendorf
 

Can someone please provide some background on this model? Here is what I am looking for specifically:

Builder
Years built
dimensional data (especially inside length and CUFT)
approximately what CAPY, LD LMT, and LT WT would be

I am getting custom decals made to letter some for my dad's private roadname, and would like to make them as plausible as possible.

Thanks,

Matthew J. Moellendorf
Sturgeon Bay, WI


Lisle RPM

Bill Schneider
 

Just a quick "Thank You" to Joe and all involved in putting on the Lisle RPM meet (formerly.... and soon to be again... known as "Naperville"). The meet was a great success, the clinics that I attended were all well presented and attended and the quality of the models on display was phenomenal. It was also great to have a chance to meet and talk with many of you there. It's nice to be able to put a face to a name.

Looking forward to next year!

Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains


Re: WP 21379

train_junkie
 

There was a discussion about this car on the Yahoo WP List awhile back but it was inconclusive.

One person suggested that the car was a wreck repair that used a panel from a retired SLSF box car. Another person insisted that it was painted in Frisco colors for the filming of the movie "Bound for Glory", which was largely filmed on the WP. But the first person says he saw photos of it taken long before that movie was filmed.

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/wplist

--- In STMFC@..., "StephenK" <thekays100@...> wrote:

Lee --

Thanks for the info. Dan's photo is the one I have in my files. Of course, I'm not sure I want to recreate this car now--the prototype is a little odd!

SKay

--- In STMFC@..., "RailGoat" <railgoat@> wrote:

Steve,

See the following:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/other_cars/wp_cars/wp_number/020801-021400.htm

Lee A. Gautreauax - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/







I have a photo in my files (downloaded from the net, but I don't remember where!) of a 40 PS-1 boxcar, Western Pacific 21379. It has the orange feather on the right side, along with the "Rides like a Feather" slogan. The road number and Capacity data are restenciled in white, and it is heavily weathered. Here is what I don't understand: There is a Frisco Lines herald on the left, above the WP and car number. I have a Kadee car that I would like to weather, and I am thinking about this scheme, but I wold like to know where the prototype came from.

Any ideas?

Steve Kay


Re: B&O M-53 Wagontop Models--one more styrene model

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I examined the several samples on the ExactRail table, and they are SUPERB models. I'm gonna buy when when I can. 'Nuf said.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Odd Box Car?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Vallee wrote:
While looking though the November, 1937 issue of Railroad Magazine, I spotted this tidbit on page 130:

Boxcar No. 61843 bearing both SP oval and Wabash initial turned up here. stenciled on the side was "Leased from Wabash from the Sou. Pac. Ry." it is used exclusively for carrying auto parts out of Detroit.---RAY DUNIGAN,996 Link Ave., Springfield, O.
Um, SP "oval" ?? Not sure about that. I don't note anything about such a lease in the ORER for 1938, but it might not have been listed there.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Floquil Special Oxide Red substitute

Dave Lawler
 

Regarding the Floquil metallic paints, add a fair amount of Floquil retarder and give the model two or three thinned coats rather than one heavy one. Allow it to dry between coats. The retarder will slow the drying considerably.
I think you’ll get a better result without the “grainy” surface inherent to these paints. I’ve been air brush painting for over 35 years and find this method works well.
Best regards,
Dave Lawler
Avon Lake, Ohio

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Re: B&O M-53 Wagontop Models--one more styrene model

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 24, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Brian Carlson wrote:

Bill welch's email sent me scurring to the internet too. I found nothing. Can those who were at Naperville/Lisle shed more light?
Brian Carlson

Brian,
While at the Lisle RPM I was fortunate to have spent some time with Blaine Hadfield of ExactRail. Blaine explained that the M-53 models on display were production samples and that production models are on their way from China. The ExactRail web site will likely be updated when the release is announced.

Blaine was on the schedule of presenters. After an introduction providing some history of ExactRail and discussing the company's goals, Blaine opened the session as a question & answer dialogue with the attendees. One point Blaine made was upon getting to a full production level that ExactRail plans to release a new model each month and that the ExactRail product line will include a diversity of products. That is good news to steam & transition period modelers.

Regarding the Fox Valley and ExactRail M-53 models, it is coincidental that two models of the same prototype car will be released within such a short period of time. I have seen the FV and ER models and can say that both are nicely done. The modeler will have the luxury of choosing which model they prefer or to purchase both.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Odd Box Car?

Steve Vallee
 

Tim...

   I'm sorry to say I was not the one who spotted this odd car. I reported what was written in that issue of Railroad Magazine.

  Sorry for any confusion.

  Steve

--- On Sat, 10/22/11, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Odd Box Car?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 2:19 PM
















 









Steve



An SP car numbered 61843 in 1937 would have been a 50 foot single sheathed

automobile box car. Is that what you saw?



Tim O'Connor



While looking though the November, 1937 issue of Railroad Magazine, I spotted this tidbit on page 130:
Boxcar No. 61843 bearing both SP oval and Wabash initial turned up here. stenciled on the side was "Leased from Wabash from the Sou. Pac. Ry." it is used exclusively for carrying auto parts out of Detroit.---RAY DUNIGAN,996 Link Ave., Springfield, O.
Anyone out there have a photo of this car or want to try to model this car?
Steve Vallee


Re: B&O M-53 Wagontop Models--one more styrene model

gn999gn
 

Yes, it is true. This is another M-53 RTR plastic offering.
No, there is no formal announcement on the E-R site.
Apparently it is from Chris Clune tooling completed
a number of years ago. It MAY have originally been a subcontract project for another company, and instead, pulled in under the
Exact-Rail umbrella. BTW, that is only speculation.

Ron dePierre

--- In STMFC@..., Brian Carlson <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Bill welch's email sent me scurring to the internet too. I found nothing. Can those who were at Naperville/Lisle shed more light?
Brian Carlson





 


 






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