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Re: Dan Holbrook's Lisle presentation "Car Service Rules: 1940-1960"

Bill Welch
 

I like the challenge involved. It adds realism into what otherwise is either fantasy or an intellectual exercise. Well done Dan!

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "lstt100@..." <lstt100@...> wrote:

Bill, Tony and list members,

Yes, the quiz's are difficult. However, I wanted Lisle attendees to get a "taste" of what Jerry Stewart and I faced every day when we had to make decisions on "where" to apply freight cars on orders.

Dan Holbrook


Re: Dan Holbrook's Lisle presentation "Car Service Rules: 1940-1960"

lstt100
 

Bill, Tony and list members,

Yes, the quiz's are difficult. However, I wanted Lisle attendees to get a "taste" of what Jerry Stewart and I faced every day when we had to make decisions on "where" to apply freight cars on orders.

Dan Holbrook


Modeler's Choice

lstt100
 

Company is still in business. Randy did purchase a new laser.

Yes, the freight cars were too new for this list. I did much of the research and tired of spending more time writing instructions for kits and less of my own time building models and working on my layout.

Begging the moderators forgiveness for being "out of era".

Dan Holbrook


Lisle and NYC paint color

Mark
 

Glad to hear that Lisle went well, someday.

Have plans to paint some New York Central hopper cars and would like to know if any have a suggestion on the red color they used and best choice to use.

Mark Morgan


Norfolk and Western lettering

octoraro1948 <octoraro1@...>
 

On the N&W B-1 box cars, when was Norfolk ampersand Western changed to Norfolk AND Western?

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


Re: Weathering clinic handout

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Joe Nevin wrote:
Tony - Let me add my thanks as ell. Just one question, when you cut the Dullcoat 50/50 do you use Testor's thinner, or something else?
I don't thin it, but Richard does. I know he uses lacquer thinner.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Weathering clinic handout

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 25, 2011, at 3:43 PM, joseph nevin wrote:

Tony - Let me add my thanks as ell. Just one question, when you cut
the Dullcoat 50/50 do you use Testor's thinner, or something else?
I can answer that one. Dullcote is a lacquer, and can be thinned
with ordinary lacquer thinner purchased at your local hardware store
for a lot less than you'll pay for Testor's thinner.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Weathering clinic handout

joseph nevin
 

Tony - Let me add my thanks as ell. Just one question, when you cut the Dullcoat 50/50 do you use Testor's thinner, or something else?

Joe

--- In STMFC@..., Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

Hi,

Tony - thanks for making this available!

All - on my computer (Win7) I had to download and open the
file using Adobe to get it to print correctly.
- Jim


Re: Lisle RPM

Brian Ehni <behni@...>
 

Not that I've heard. Cut back severely, yes, because their laser is shot,
and a new one is expen$ive, but still selling the wheel mask AFAIK. And if
they get a new laser (or access to one) they can be back in business pretty
quick. However, their freight cars are too modern for this list, I believe.


Thanks!
--

Brian P. Ehni

From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:46:33 -0000
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lisle RPM






Gene

I think Modeler's Choice closed its doors. Bill Raia was there Saturday
only.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "mopac1"
<mopac1@...> wrote:

While on the subject of the Lisle RPM Conference this year, what did Joe
have to say about it over breakfast on Sunday?

Due to the layout of the facility, it has hard to get a feel for how many
attended. Did Joe give any numbers on attendance?

The vendors seemed to be fewer in number this year, with a few staples
missing, WrightTRAK, Bill Raia, Modelers Choice among them.

Gene Semon








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Re: Prototype for MDC/Athearn 41 foot gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

Good references:

Mainline Modeler 9/1992 -- Mont Switzer modeling article
Mainline Modeler 6/1992 -- another modeling article
Mainline Modeler 4/1991 -- prototype information and drawings

The 44000-44999 series had radial ends, not "peaked" ends. IOW the
peaks were not additions to the top of the ends as they sometimes were
on hopper cars or gondolas. The earlier 40000-43999 series had angular
ends. The above articles cover the later 36000, 37000 cars.

The book "Chessie's Road" from the C&OHS has a fine 1948 builder photo
of C&O 36300.

Tim O'Connor

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C&O 44000 series, built 1936
CAPY 100000
LD LMT 126500 (typical)
LT WT 42500 (typical)

in steam era, LD LMT + LT WT = 169000 for this particular car

marked CU FT 1880 (2300 heaped)
IL 40-6
I want to say builder was ACF?


Data very similar for 36000 series, built 1948 by Pressed Steel Car Co. (More
modern ends on these cars than on previous groups... MDC did this style.)
Scott Pitzer


Re: Lisle RPM

Bill Welch
 

Gene

I think Modeler's Choice closed its doors. Bill Raia was there Saturday only.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "mopac1" <mopac1@...> wrote:

While on the subject of the Lisle RPM Conference this year, what did Joe
have to say about it over breakfast on Sunday?

Due to the layout of the facility, it has hard to get a feel for how many
attended. Did Joe give any numbers on attendance?

The vendors seemed to be fewer in number this year, with a few staples
missing, WrightTRAK, Bill Raia, Modelers Choice among them.

Gene Semon


Re: Lisle RPM

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dick Bale wrote:
From the November edition of MRH due out next Monday...

"The RPM Conference, formerly known as the Naperville RPM Meet, may get its old name back. After two years at nearby Lisle, Illinois . . .
You might to correct this, as the meeting was held at Lisle on this one year.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Lisle RPM

Rhbale@...
 

From the November edition of MRH due out next Monday...

"The RPM Conference, formerly known as the Naperville RPM Meet, may get
its old name back. After two years at nearby Lisle, Illinois, the owner of
the meet, Joe D’Elia, says he will return the event back to the original
hotel facility in Naperville which is undergoing a major remodeling and will
reopen next spring as a Marriot Hotel. D’Elia made the announcement in
October during the 2011 edition of the meet which was attended by more than 350
prototype modelers… "

Richard Bale
Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine - always free at _mrhmag.com


_ (http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/)


Re: Lisle RPM

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

<One gossip item I picked up talking to the bartender at the hotel... the
<place
<is closing by the end of the year.
<Interestingly, I passed the old Naperville Holiday Inn which is
<underegoing
<renovations... as a Marriott!  It's supposed to
<
<open in Spring of 2012.  Maybe we'll be back at the old stand. 

Directly from Joe during the meet...yes, it will be back to Naperville next
year.


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Prototype for MDC/Athearn 41 foot gondola

Scott Pitzer
 

Uh-oh, a very quick look at the Athearn site shows flat-topped ends, so never mind the "heaped" measurement (which usually isn't marked on the car anyway)... and the LT WT might be a little lower. (And therefore, LD LMT higher by the same amount.)
I don't know the current Athearn status of the peaked end, or which style of car you were intending to use.
Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@..., "scottpitzer2002" <scottp459@...> wrote:

C&O 44000 series, built 1936
CAPY 100000
LD LMT 126500 (typical)
LT WT 42500 (typical)

in steam era, LD LMT + LT WT = 169000 for this particular car

marked CU FT 1880
(2300 heaped)
IL 40-6
I want to say builder was ACF?

Data very similar for 36000 series, built 1948 by Pressed Steel Car Co. (More modern ends on these cars than on previous groups... MDC did this style.)

Scott Pitzer


Re: Prototype for MDC/Athearn 41 foot gondola

Scott Pitzer
 

C&O 44000 series, built 1936
CAPY 100000
LD LMT 126500 (typical)
LT WT 42500 (typical)

in steam era, LD LMT + LT WT = 169000 for this particular car

marked CU FT 1880
(2300 heaped)
IL 40-6
I want to say builder was ACF?

Data very similar for 36000 series, built 1948 by Pressed Steel Car Co. (More modern ends on these cars than on previous groups... MDC did this style.)

Scott Pitzer

Can someone please provide some background on this model? Here is what I am looking for specifically:

Builder
Years built
dimensional data (especially inside length and CUFT)
approximately what CAPY, LD LMT, and LT WT would be

I am getting custom decals made to letter some for my dad's private roadname, and would like to make them as plausible as possible.

Thanks,

Matthew J. Moellendorf
Sturgeon Bay, WI


Re: Other Lisle highlights

Scott Seders
 

Tim,

Any idea what the prototype is for the 22' trailer?

Scott Seders

On Oct 25, 2011, at 2:06 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Cyril --

It was disclosed this week on the Espee list that the SPH&TS is currently
involved in tooling for an SP F-70-10 flat car, as well as additional versions
of bulkheads for the existing Red Caboose F-70-7 flat car. (One early bulkhead
has already been released.) Many SP F-70-10's were converted to TOFC service
by 1955 and the society will be doing a TOFC version with a newly tooled 22'
trailer. And in addition, we were told there are plans to produce one of
the Harriman flat cars -- no doubt they'll choose a version used by SP and
UP. All of the above is injected molded styrene, sold as kits or RTR. I think
the manufacturing will be done by Intermountain.

F.M. Models imported a brass model of an F-50-x flat car (I'm not sure which
one). It was based on a Pacific Electric flat that was equipped with three
water bottles lettered for "Arrowhead Water".

You are right, many SP fans are excited about these models! :-)

Tim O'Connor





Have you thought about doing one of the early Harriman F-50-1,2,3 or 4 series?
A 40' 10" steel flat car with fishbelly sideframe (Harriman), 12 stake pockets,
and a wood nailing strip between the stake pockets. Used in revenue service from
about 1904-1908 until the late 1950's on both the SP and UP in large numbers.
They remained in service and MW service for a long time. A model of this car has
never been done in HO scale before as far as I know. See the SP freight car book
Vol 3 on flat cars for photos, diagrams etc. I think I have measurements of one.
Many were delivered with wood side boards. Many had beet racks and some had low
wood sides and were even moved to gondola numbering.

F-50-1 1000 for SP.,200 for UP
F-50-2 2100 for SP, 850 for UP
F-50-3 700+ for SP
F-50-4 2100 for SP etc

I think there would be a large market for these from SP modelers.

Cyril Durrenberger


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Re: Brake wheel on which side

Dick Dawson <dickdawson@...>
 

Several others have responded to this question, but I'll respond to it, not
as a modeler (which I'm not), but as someone who has worked in the freight
car industry for over 40 years.



Being able to identify components and locations on a car can be important,
among other things, for accurate description in repair billing of the work
performed. When locating components on a freight car, the key issue is
determining the B (brake) end and the A end. The considerable majority of
freight cars have one hand brake and one brake cylinder. In those cases,
the B end is the end with the hand brake. If a car has two hand brakes and
one brake cylinder, like many cabooses, the B end is the end to which the
brake cylinder points. If a car has more than one hand brake and more than
one brake cylinder, like multi-unit cars and some heavy-duty flatcars, the B
end is chosen arbitrarily and is stenciled on the car. The A end is the end
opposite the B end. The hand brake, incidentally, is required by the
Federal Railroad Administration safety appliance regulations (the ICC
regulations during the time period covered by this group) to be to the left
of the car center when facing the end of the car.



Once the B end is determined, the other identifications follow. When facing
the car from the B end, the left, or L, side is to the left of the observer
and the R side is to his right. Axles and other similar components are
numbered from the B end starting with 1. Thus, the L2 wheel is the wheel on
the left side of the inboard axle of the B truck.



Dick Dawson

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I was recently describe to a friend the saying about facing a boxcar and if
the brake wheel is on the left the applicanes should be on the _ _ .(help)
Can not remember the explanation. I sure someone can explain it to me. Been
looking for the article that explained it, but to no avail. Thanks,
Reuben Feuge @ Poplarville, MS


Lisle RPM

mopac1 <mopac1@...>
 

While on the subject of the Lisle RPM Conference this year, what did Joe
have to say about it over breakfast on Sunday?

Due to the layout of the facility, it has hard to get a feel for how many
attended. Did Joe give any numbers on attendance?

The vendors seemed to be fewer in number this year, with a few staples
missing, WrightTRAK, Bill Raia, Modelers Choice among them.

Gene Semon


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