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Notable sightings at Lisle

Bill Welch
 

Roger Hinman had an advance copy of his new book, "MDT" and permitted me to thumb through it. I looks really good and I contacted my book seller to remind him I want one and to stay alert for it. Maybe it was the excitement of seeing it or the lighting in the room, but the paper stock it is printed on looks especially slick and really added to its visual impact. Well done Roger and Signature!

I was also very pleased to see Bob Schleicher who was there for awhile on Saturday afternoon. I think he was in town for the Hobby Expo. When I entered the hobby seriously in 1991-92 it was RailModel Journal that helped me develop an appreciation for our beloved freight cars and the authors he cultivated that helped to educate me. I was able to eventually gather all of the relevant articles from his time at "Model Railroading" for reference and inspiration. Of the 3 magazines we lost, I miss RMJ the most. From what I could tell, it sounds like he has some publishing ideas that will appeal to us. He is also a really nice person to boot.

Bill Welch


Re: Duha rebar

Bill Welch
 

Someone mentioned this line of loads in their Lisle presentation and I meant to ask then about them. I am glad this came up on our list. Now I have a neat load for the F&C "Mike & Ike" panel side gon I started drilling holes in this morning.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "up4479" <up4479@...> wrote:


Nice work, Rich. I like those Duha rebar loads. I've had photos of a TTJX car with rebar for over 25 years. Overland eventually made the car but it wasn't until recently that I finally finished the project after finding those loads. The car took a while to do but I always shuddered thinking of how much tedious work would be involved trying to make a good looking load of fresh rebar. Those guys saved the day! I submitted a photo under TTJX80392. I'm not sure how long it will take to show up.
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RICHARD REMIARZ <rremiarz@> wrote:
The rebar is a Duha load shortened for a 40' car and weathered with AIM weathering powders.

Rich Remiarz


Re: Friends of the Freight Car at Lisle RPM Oct 2011 (OFF LIST)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

my apologies for what was meant to be an off-list message.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ATSF flat car decals

tyesac@...
 

Jim,

I rummaged through the boxes of decals and bought a few. In my case I got some ATSF MOW decals, ATSF stock cars and a UP box cars sets. I'd characterize the supplu as "many of a few" cars, rather than "some of everything", and mostly older and possibly discontinued kits.

Tom Casey


Sunshine used to sell their kit decals and I used that fact to suggest
unshine decals several time. But, sometime recently Sunshine changed their
olicy and no longer sells kit decals. And yet at Lisle they had boxes and
oxes of kit decals for sale. I didn't look but can anyone who did, comment
n what decals were in those boxes?
Jim Hayes
ortland Oregon
ww.sunshinekits.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@gmail.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:01 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: ATSF flat car decals


Sunshine used to sell their kit decals and I used that fact to suggest
unshine decals several time. But, sometime recently Sunshine changed their
olicy and no longer sells kit decals. And yet at Lisle they had boxes and
oxes of kit decals for sale. I didn't look but can anyone who did, comment
n what decals were in those boxes?
Jim Hayes
ortland Oregon
ww.sunshinekits.com

n Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:55 AM, <jerryglow@comcast.net> wrote:
**

If you buy the complete kit. I recently ordered some decals from Sunshine
along with several kits to receive a refund check for the decals with a note
stating "Sunshine does not sell decals other than chalk marks and reweigh
data" (or something to that effect).

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:
>
>
> The Ft-G, I, J, L, M not TOFC version, Ft-N are all available from
Sunshine Models. The Ft-L and N are not an AAR type car but a 50 foot car
that was cut in half and lengthened to 53-6 and 10 feet wide in the 1946.
The few Ft-L and N class cars were the first on the Santa Fe to go into TOFC
service in 1954.
> Charlie Slater
>
>
>
>
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> From: timboconnor@...
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:47:27 -0400
> Subject: [STMFC] Re: ATSF flat car decals
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wow, Ben! And think, I've never even heard of the East Coast SFH&MS --
> how did you learn about them? :-)
>
> The Ft-5 & Wt-3 from the below list are the only GSC flats in the bunch.
>
> The Ft-G was an early 40' steel flat.
>
> The Ft-I and Ft-J are (were?) Sunshine kits, with inboard fishbellies
> (or however you'd describe them)
>
> Do you know if the Ft-M is the TOFC version? -- many of these cars were
> converted in 1957. They're interesting because they were 44'6" cars which
> is shorter than most other TOFC conversions, and carried only 1 trailer.
> Two Ft-M's were rebuilt in 1964 to carry B-52 tail fins, when they were
> already 40 years old!
>
> I'm not sure what an Ft-L is -- perhaps a 50 ton AAR flat? Some of them
> were converted to TOFC service (e.g. 92759).
>
> The Ft-V/Wt-V is the 70 ton AAR flat (Intermountain/Sunshine).
>
> Wt-x of course are maintenance of way cars.
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
> The East Coast Santa Fe Historical and Modeling Society introduced an
> extensive line of decals for ATSF flat cars at their East Coast meet in
May:
>
> Ft-G 90512, 90532, 90548, 92040, 93257, 93750, 94610.
> Ft-I 96901, 96915, 96935, 97000
> Ft-J 93151, 93169, 93225, 93250
> Ft-M 97001, 97006, 97025, 97028, 97063, 97069, 97356
> Ft-O 90501, 90536, 90545, 90615
> Ft-L 90001, 91315, 91348, 91465, 93865, 93876, 93899
> Ft-V 91500, 91511, 91558, 91563, 91576, 91589, 91627
> Ft-5 93862, 93895, 93901, 93922
> Wt-G 19005, 19065, 189658, 190095, 190985, 191305, 191440, 191497,191552,
...
> Wt-M 93161, 190305, 199392, 199393, 199394, 199395, 199396, 199583,
199588, ...
> Wt-L 190701, 191807, 191809, 191810, 201026, 203000
> Wt-V 191500, 191506, 191604
> Wt-3 191064, 207093
>
> Ben Hom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




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Re: ATSF flat car decals

James Babcock
 

Contact Don Borden, dabordenrla@verizon.net  He will have information concerning the decals produced by the East Coast Santa Fe Modelers.
Jim Babcock


________________________________
From: O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@gmail.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: ATSF flat car decals



 

Hopefully someone can come up with an address for the East Coast Santa Fe
modelers who were selling decals. I sent an email to the Santa Fe
Historical Society to see if they could give me information on the East
Coast group and have not received a reply yet.
Fenton Wells
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@gmail.com> wrote:

Sunshine used to sell their kit decals and I used that fact to suggest
Sunshine decals several time. But, sometime recently Sunshine changed their
policy and no longer sells kit decals. And yet at Lisle they had boxes and
boxes of kit decals for sale. I didn't look but can anyone who did, comment
on what decals were in those boxes?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:55 AM, <jerryglow@comcast.net> wrote:

**


If you buy the complete kit. I recently ordered some decals from Sunshine
along with several kits to receive a refund check for the decals with a
note
stating "Sunshine does not sell decals other than chalk marks and reweigh
data" (or something to that effect).

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:


The Ft-G, I, J, L, M not TOFC version, Ft-N are all available from
Sunshine Models. The Ft-L and N are not an AAR type car but a 50 foot car
that was cut in half and lengthened to 53-6 and 10 feet wide in the 1946.
The few Ft-L and N class cars were the first on the Santa Fe to go into
TOFC
service in 1954.
Charlie Slater




To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: timboconnor@...
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:47:27 -0400
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ATSF flat car decals







Wow, Ben! And think, I've never even heard of the East Coast SFH&MS --
how did you learn about them? :-)

The Ft-5 & Wt-3 from the below list are the only GSC flats in the
bunch.

The Ft-G was an early 40' steel flat.

The Ft-I and Ft-J are (were?) Sunshine kits, with inboard fishbellies
(or however you'd describe them)

Do you know if the Ft-M is the TOFC version? -- many of these cars were
converted in 1957. They're interesting because they were 44'6" cars
which
is shorter than most other TOFC conversions, and carried only 1
trailer.
Two Ft-M's were rebuilt in 1964 to carry B-52 tail fins, when they were
already 40 years old!

I'm not sure what an Ft-L is -- perhaps a 50 ton AAR flat? Some of them
were converted to TOFC service (e.g. 92759).

The Ft-V/Wt-V is the 70 ton AAR flat (Intermountain/Sunshine).

Wt-x of course are maintenance of way cars.

Tim O'Connor

The East Coast Santa Fe Historical and Modeling Society introduced an
extensive line of decals for ATSF flat cars at their East Coast meet in
May:

Ft-G 90512, 90532, 90548, 92040, 93257, 93750, 94610.
Ft-I 96901, 96915, 96935, 97000
Ft-J 93151, 93169, 93225, 93250
Ft-M 97001, 97006, 97025, 97028, 97063, 97069, 97356
Ft-O 90501, 90536, 90545, 90615
Ft-L 90001, 91315, 91348, 91465, 93865, 93876, 93899
Ft-V 91500, 91511, 91558, 91563, 91576, 91589, 91627
Ft-5 93862, 93895, 93901, 93922
Wt-G 19005, 19065, 189658, 190095, 190985, 191305, 191440,
191497,191552,
...
Wt-M 93161, 190305, 199392, 199393, 199394, 199395, 199396, 199583,
199588, ...
Wt-L 190701, 191807, 191809, 191810, 201026, 203000
Wt-V 191500, 191506, 191604
Wt-3 191064, 207093

Ben Hom






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Re: Friends of the Freight Car at Lisle RPM Oct 2011 (OFF LIST)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I'd also be willing to pre-order and prepay for one in a large size....let me know....
Thanks, Bob Slavinski
Bob, I"m ready to start shipping the pre-ordered shirts by mail. Cost by mail will be $30. Please also provide your mailing address.

Tony Thompson
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937;
e-mail: thompson@signaturepress.com


Re: ATSF flat car decals

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jim Hayes wrote:
Sunshine used to sell their kit decals and I used that fact to suggest Sunshine decals several time. But, sometime recently Sunshine changed their policy and no longer sells kit decals. And yet at Lisle they had boxes and boxes of kit decals for sale. I didn't look but can anyone who did, comment on what decals were in those boxes?
Boxes were all labeled "discontinued kits," and I spoke to Patricia Lofton about it, and she confirmed that all were in that category. I did purchase a few I can use.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: making you own chalk marks (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Nice technique, Jack!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Burgess
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:05 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] making you own chalk marks (UNCLASSIFIED)



Elden wrote:
<I was introduced to that on the west coast some years ago, and would <just
add <that it is either a technique you like....or not. You have to try it
<and see <if it meets your expectations. I use both; decals for new, and
pencil <for <old/smeared marks.

I add chalk mark decals to a model at the same time I do the rest of the
decals and then lightly overspray the chalk marks with the base color using
an air brush...this makes them somewhat disappear and "turn" into old, barely
visible chalk marks. When all of the weathering is done, I might add some
fresh chalk marks using Clover House dry transfers...

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA





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Re: making you own chalk marks (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Nate;

You see them all the time on freight cars photographed before the sixties,
sometimes many on each side. By the time I was looking closely in the
sixties, they were less common, since computerized routing was well underway,
and there was more "pre-classification" going on. Some folks were still
doing chalk graffiti then, also. You still see them today, but most of the
ones I see are marking cars for repairs, not routing.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Nathan
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:57 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: making you own chalk marks



When were chalk marks common? Were they common in the late 70's? Are they
used today?

Nate





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: making your own chalk marks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Andy Sperandeo wrote:

Hi Randy,
I've been trying Prismacolor artists' pencils from my favorite art
supply store. White, pale gray, and pale yellow are good colors,
and be sure to keep the points sharp.
Andy
I'll second Andy on this. I've been using Prismacolor pencils for
this purpose for years, and they work very well.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: ATSF flat car decals

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells wrote:
"Hopefully someone can come up with an address for the East Coast Santa Fe
modelers who were selling decals. I sent an email to the Santa Fe
Historical Society to see if they could give me information on the East
Coast group and have not received a reply yet."

Still working on it.  If this is a helmet fire, I'll move it up the priority
list - otherwise, I'll try to get the information out tonight after work.


Ben Hom


Re: making you own chalk marks

Nathan Obermeyer
 

When were chalk marks common? Were they common in the late 70's? Are they used today?

Nate


Re: ATSF flat car decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Hopefully someone can come up with an address for the East Coast Santa Fe
modelers who were selling decals. I sent an email to the Santa Fe
Historical Society to see if they could give me information on the East
Coast group and have not received a reply yet.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@gmail.com> wrote:

Sunshine used to sell their kit decals and I used that fact to suggest
Sunshine decals several time. But, sometime recently Sunshine changed their
policy and no longer sells kit decals. And yet at Lisle they had boxes and
boxes of kit decals for sale. I didn't look but can anyone who did, comment
on what decals were in those boxes?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:55 AM, <jerryglow@comcast.net> wrote:

**


If you buy the complete kit. I recently ordered some decals from Sunshine
along with several kits to receive a refund check for the decals with a
note
stating "Sunshine does not sell decals other than chalk marks and reweigh
data" (or something to that effect).

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:


The Ft-G, I, J, L, M not TOFC version, Ft-N are all available from
Sunshine Models. The Ft-L and N are not an AAR type car but a 50 foot car
that was cut in half and lengthened to 53-6 and 10 feet wide in the 1946.
The few Ft-L and N class cars were the first on the Santa Fe to go into
TOFC
service in 1954.
Charlie Slater




To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: timboconnor@...
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:47:27 -0400
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ATSF flat car decals







Wow, Ben! And think, I've never even heard of the East Coast SFH&MS --
how did you learn about them? :-)

The Ft-5 & Wt-3 from the below list are the only GSC flats in the
bunch.

The Ft-G was an early 40' steel flat.

The Ft-I and Ft-J are (were?) Sunshine kits, with inboard fishbellies
(or however you'd describe them)

Do you know if the Ft-M is the TOFC version? -- many of these cars were
converted in 1957. They're interesting because they were 44'6" cars
which
is shorter than most other TOFC conversions, and carried only 1
trailer.
Two Ft-M's were rebuilt in 1964 to carry B-52 tail fins, when they were
already 40 years old!

I'm not sure what an Ft-L is -- perhaps a 50 ton AAR flat? Some of them
were converted to TOFC service (e.g. 92759).

The Ft-V/Wt-V is the 70 ton AAR flat (Intermountain/Sunshine).

Wt-x of course are maintenance of way cars.

Tim O'Connor

The East Coast Santa Fe Historical and Modeling Society introduced an
extensive line of decals for ATSF flat cars at their East Coast meet in
May:

Ft-G 90512, 90532, 90548, 92040, 93257, 93750, 94610.
Ft-I 96901, 96915, 96935, 97000
Ft-J 93151, 93169, 93225, 93250
Ft-M 97001, 97006, 97025, 97028, 97063, 97069, 97356
Ft-O 90501, 90536, 90545, 90615
Ft-L 90001, 91315, 91348, 91465, 93865, 93876, 93899
Ft-V 91500, 91511, 91558, 91563, 91576, 91589, 91627
Ft-5 93862, 93895, 93901, 93922
Wt-G 19005, 19065, 189658, 190095, 190985, 191305, 191440,
191497,191552,
...
Wt-M 93161, 190305, 199392, 199393, 199394, 199395, 199396, 199583,
199588, ...
Wt-L 190701, 191807, 191809, 191810, 201026, 203000
Wt-V 191500, 191506, 191604
Wt-3 191064, 207093

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Duha rebar

up4479
 

Nice work, Rich. I like those Duha rebar loads. I've had photos of a TTJX car with rebar for over 25 years. Overland eventually made the car but it wasn't until recently that I finally finished the project after finding those loads. The car took a while to do but I always shuddered thinking of how much tedious work would be involved trying to make a good looking load of fresh rebar. Those guys saved the day! I submitted a photo under TTJX80392. I'm not sure how long it will take to show up.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RICHARD REMIARZ <rremiarz@...> wrote:
The rebar is a Duha load shortened for a 40' car and weathered with AIM weathering powders.

Rich Remiarz


Re: B&O, GM&N

Scott Pitzer
 

For those who came along after the M-53 question was split off...
I don't think anyone answered the GM&N part, but I declared it to be a "foobie model" (one that's not prototype)... but iPhone decided I must be trying to type "foible" instead...
Perhaps GM&N had at least one somewhat similar box car in lime green with a brown door, which would make it somewhat "legitimate," but the Athearn model can really only be made into GN or NP if you're trying to approach "accurate."
Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "bill_d_goat" <billdgoat@...> wrote:

A friend of mine has a GM&N double sheathed (Athearn) boxcar painted lime green with a brown door, #20141. I am trying to learn if this is legitimate. It was a SER Region convention car run by a GM&O modeler, now deceased so I would have thought it to be accurate.
Also, is the brown color of the new Fox Valley B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars correct. I have seen pictures of models painted in a brighter red.
Bill Williams


Re: B&O M-53 was Re: B&O, GM&N

SUVCWORR@...
 

Message 104031 from October 21, 2011.

-----Original Message-----
From: john.allyn <john.allyn@comcast.net>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:40 am
Subject: Re: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N






Scott --







I can't find the message regarding the GM&N car in the thread. I too bought one

of these cars way back when. It was a particularly noxious shade of green -- a

shade usually associated with nausea -- and I had my doubts as to its

authenticity at the time. "But it was for a good cause." Can you point me to

where it was discussed. Interested for its amusement value if nothing else.

Thanks!



John B. Allyn

Nashville TN ----- Original Message -----

From: "Scott Pitzer" <scottp459@earthlink.net>

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:21:39 PM

Subject: Re: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N













Original post had two unrelated questions; the GM&N question (which concerned a

"foible" model) quickly fell by the wayside.

Scott Pitzer



McCarthy < thesupplycar@yahoo.com > wrote:



Good afternoon!
May have missed something on this thread, but it list GM&N without any
discussion of these M-53 as one of their cars.

did the GM&N purchase some of the M-53's or??




















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Re: ATSF flat car decals

Dennis Williams
 

Jim.
  The reason I was told,  it takes too much time to look for the decals than its worth.  I can understand  on their part. That's a lot of decals.  On our part, it hurts.
Dennis Williams/Owner
www.resinbuilders4u.com


________________________________
From: Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@gmail.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: ATSF flat car decals

Sunshine used to sell their kit decals and I used that fact to suggest
Sunshine decals several time. But, sometime recently Sunshine changed their
policy and no longer sells kit decals. And yet at Lisle they had boxes and
boxes of kit decals for sale. I didn't look but can anyone who did, comment
on what decals were in those boxes?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:55 AM, <jerryglow@comcast.net> wrote:

**


If you buy the complete kit. I recently ordered some decals from Sunshine
along with several kits to receive a refund check for the decals with a note
stating "Sunshine does not sell decals other than chalk marks and reweigh
data" (or something to that effect).

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:


The Ft-G, I, J, L, M not TOFC version, Ft-N are all available from
Sunshine Models. The Ft-L and N are not an AAR type car but a 50 foot car
that was cut in half and lengthened to 53-6 and 10 feet wide in the 1946.
The few Ft-L and N class cars were the first on the Santa Fe to go into TOFC
service in 1954.
Charlie Slater




To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: timboconnor@...
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:47:27 -0400
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ATSF flat car decals







Wow, Ben! And think, I've never even heard of the East Coast SFH&MS --
how did you learn about them? :-)

The Ft-5 & Wt-3 from the below list are the only GSC flats in the bunch.

The Ft-G was an early 40' steel flat.

The Ft-I and Ft-J are (were?) Sunshine kits, with inboard fishbellies
(or however you'd describe them)

Do you know if the Ft-M is the TOFC version? -- many of these cars were
converted in 1957. They're interesting because they were 44'6" cars which
is shorter than most other TOFC conversions, and carried only 1 trailer.
Two Ft-M's were rebuilt in 1964 to carry B-52 tail fins, when they were
already 40 years old!

I'm not sure what an Ft-L is -- perhaps a 50 ton AAR flat? Some of them
were converted to TOFC service (e.g. 92759).

The Ft-V/Wt-V is the 70 ton AAR flat (Intermountain/Sunshine).

Wt-x of course are maintenance of way cars.

Tim O'Connor

The East Coast Santa Fe Historical and Modeling Society introduced an
extensive line of decals for ATSF flat cars at their East Coast meet in
May:

Ft-G 90512, 90532, 90548, 92040, 93257, 93750, 94610.
Ft-I 96901, 96915, 96935, 97000
Ft-J 93151, 93169, 93225, 93250
Ft-M 97001, 97006, 97025, 97028, 97063, 97069, 97356
Ft-O 90501, 90536, 90545, 90615
Ft-L 90001, 91315, 91348, 91465, 93865, 93876, 93899
Ft-V 91500, 91511, 91558, 91563, 91576, 91589, 91627
Ft-5 93862, 93895, 93901, 93922
Wt-G 19005, 19065, 189658, 190095, 190985, 191305, 191440, 191497,191552,
...
Wt-M 93161, 190305, 199392, 199393, 199394, 199395, 199396, 199583,
199588, ...
Wt-L 190701, 191807, 191809, 191810, 201026, 203000
Wt-V 191500, 191506, 191604
Wt-3 191064, 207093

Ben Hom






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Re: making you own chalk marks (UNCLASSIFIED)

Jack Burgess
 

Elden wrote:
<I was introduced to that on the west coast some years ago, and would
<just add
<that it is either a technique you like....or not. You have to try it
<and see
<if it meets your expectations. I use both; decals for new, and pencil
<for
<old/smeared marks.

I add chalk mark decals to a model at the same time I do the rest of the
decals and then lightly overspray the chalk marks with the base color using
an air brush...this makes them somewhat disappear and "turn" into old,
barely visible chalk marks. When all of the weathering is done, I might add
some fresh chalk marks using Clover House dry transfers...

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA


Re: ATSF flat car decals

Jim Hayes
 

Sunshine used to sell their kit decals and I used that fact to suggest
Sunshine decals several time. But, sometime recently Sunshine changed their
policy and no longer sells kit decals. And yet at Lisle they had boxes and
boxes of kit decals for sale. I didn't look but can anyone who did, comment
on what decals were in those boxes?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:55 AM, <jerryglow@comcast.net> wrote:

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If you buy the complete kit. I recently ordered some decals from Sunshine
along with several kits to receive a refund check for the decals with a note
stating "Sunshine does not sell decals other than chalk marks and reweigh
data" (or something to that effect).

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:


The Ft-G, I, J, L, M not TOFC version, Ft-N are all available from
Sunshine Models. The Ft-L and N are not an AAR type car but a 50 foot car
that was cut in half and lengthened to 53-6 and 10 feet wide in the 1946.
The few Ft-L and N class cars were the first on the Santa Fe to go into TOFC
service in 1954.
Charlie Slater




To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: timboconnor@...
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:47:27 -0400
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ATSF flat car decals







Wow, Ben! And think, I've never even heard of the East Coast SFH&MS --
how did you learn about them? :-)

The Ft-5 & Wt-3 from the below list are the only GSC flats in the bunch.

The Ft-G was an early 40' steel flat.

The Ft-I and Ft-J are (were?) Sunshine kits, with inboard fishbellies
(or however you'd describe them)

Do you know if the Ft-M is the TOFC version? -- many of these cars were
converted in 1957. They're interesting because they were 44'6" cars which
is shorter than most other TOFC conversions, and carried only 1 trailer.
Two Ft-M's were rebuilt in 1964 to carry B-52 tail fins, when they were
already 40 years old!

I'm not sure what an Ft-L is -- perhaps a 50 ton AAR flat? Some of them
were converted to TOFC service (e.g. 92759).

The Ft-V/Wt-V is the 70 ton AAR flat (Intermountain/Sunshine).

Wt-x of course are maintenance of way cars.

Tim O'Connor

The East Coast Santa Fe Historical and Modeling Society introduced an
extensive line of decals for ATSF flat cars at their East Coast meet in
May:

Ft-G 90512, 90532, 90548, 92040, 93257, 93750, 94610.
Ft-I 96901, 96915, 96935, 97000
Ft-J 93151, 93169, 93225, 93250
Ft-M 97001, 97006, 97025, 97028, 97063, 97069, 97356
Ft-O 90501, 90536, 90545, 90615
Ft-L 90001, 91315, 91348, 91465, 93865, 93876, 93899
Ft-V 91500, 91511, 91558, 91563, 91576, 91589, 91627
Ft-5 93862, 93895, 93901, 93922
Wt-G 19005, 19065, 189658, 190095, 190985, 191305, 191440, 191497,191552,
...
Wt-M 93161, 190305, 199392, 199393, 199394, 199395, 199396, 199583,
199588, ...
Wt-L 190701, 191807, 191809, 191810, 201026, 203000
Wt-V 191500, 191506, 191604
Wt-3 191064, 207093

Ben Hom









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Re: making you rown chalk marks (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Nelson;

I was introduced to that on the west coast some years ago, and would just add
that it is either a technique you like....or not. You have to try it and see
if it meets your expectations. I use both; decals for new, and pencil for
old/smeared marks.

Elden Gatwood

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Nelson Moyer
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:36 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] making you rown chalk marks



I don't remember which clinic it was at Lisle, but at least one presenter
uses Prismacolor white pencils to make chalk marks. The explanation was that
decals have sharp edges, whereas real chalk marks were made with 1 inch chalk
sticks like kid's sidewalk chalk. A very sharp pencil produces a result that
approaches the prototype appearance, plus you aren't limited by the available
decals. Priamacolor pencils are available at most art stores.

Nelson


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Randy Arnold
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:53 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] making you rown chalk marks

Hi just wondering if I could get suggestions on the types of pens people have
been using to make chalk marks

Thanks
Randy

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