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Re: Paint schemes timlines

Richard Orr <SUVCWORR@...>
 

Tim,

Jerry corrected items 1, 2, and 3. The photo of model of the Nk3 with a CK
has been removed. The model of the Sk2b is still there without seeing the
actual model it is very difficult to tell if the numerals are the same size
as reporting marks. The photo of 720452 was removed. Item 7 this is again
a photo of a model which may or may not have incorrect height letters.

The MOW schemes which would include the stores scheme are not covered. No
idea where this originated with respect to the cited page.

I do not see anything that would indicate the "Don't stand me still" slogan
and the calendar number are contemporaneous. The calendar numbers were only
used for 6 months in 1954 where the slogan was not adopted until 1955 and
only applied to 500 X29D boxcars.

All-in-all Rick comments were valid a number of years ago but are no longer
are applicable to the site since all the errors were corrected except for 2
photos of models. Which are as with all models the builders interpretation
of reality.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 4:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Paint schemes timlines

Rich Orr wrote

The PRR shadow Keystone was first applied to class X48 (PS-1) boxcars in
February, 1954.
It began being applied to all freight cars in August 1954. The plain
keystone was adopted
in late 1961 and applied to all cars beginning in 1962. Keep in mind
that there are 4 different
shadow keystone schemes because of changes in the font used in the
reporting marks and numerals.

For the complete list of PRR P/L schemes see
http://kc.pennsyrr.com/freightops/schemes.php

=====================================================================

Rich,

I wonder if it is worthwhile to re-post this old email from the original
Freightcars mailing list from Rick Tipton regarding the information
available
on the Keystone Crossings web site. I don't know enough about PRR schemes to
know whether Rick's "nitpicks" were valid or are still valid today. The
email
was posted in January 1999.

Tim O'Connor

======================================================================

All of you must have had a great holiday season, as only Terry Stuart picked
up the challenge to critique points of accuracy on the Keystone Crossings
website freight car lettering "page." Thanks to Jerry Britton for being
tolerant of my beefing about fine points of PRR's freight car lettering
practices; I appreciate his continuing work in keeping us all communicating
via Keystone Crossings and PRR-Talk.

As promised, here's my New Year's Eve list of nitpicks on the freight car
scheme portion of the Keystone Crossings website. Again, I apologize for
being a scale rule Richard (pun intended here), but I've been researching
this
area pretty hard recently, and Jerry and I both want the posted info to be
correct.

It's unfortunate that the Summer 1988 Keystone is out of print, as Brady
McGuire's article illustrates all the below so well:

DESCRIPTIONS
1. NK3 "PENNSYLVANIA" is not double-underlined on any of the NK3 pictures
I've
found. I've just verified this again from PRR freight car photos in a 1916
Car Builder's Cyclopedia. A one-inch bar is placed between the 7"
PENNSYLVANIA and the 7" car number, like

PENNSYLVANIA
123456

2. NK4. Says the number is underlined, but "PENNSYLVANIA" is not.
More
correctly, the 7" reporting marks are bracketed above and below by 1" lines:
_____________
PENNSYLVANIA
123456

3. "Don't Stand Me Still" and the calendar script numbers aren't
contemporaries, and aren't used on the same car.
- DSMS was used only on X29D. In fact, it was used only on 500 of the
X29D's
that were rebuilt in August 1955, well into the SK1b period.
- SK1a was used on just a few cars (February to June 1954): 20 X48's, the
first order of 350 H34's, and a few boxcar repaints.
- Don't confuse X29D rebuilds with X29B. X29B's rebuilds (1948) were way
too
early to carry SK1a, although some did carry MS1 Merchandise scheme, which
is
of course based on the CK scheme.


CAR MODELS SHOWN ON THE SITE
4. PRR 913467 has reporting marks of NK3, but carries CK herald. Wonder
if
this ever happened in real life? No prototype photos like this known to me.

5. PRR 69636 is recognizably SK2b pattern, but the PRR and the 69636
don't
look the same size. They should both be 7" letters.

6. PRR 720452 looks like SK2a (not SK2b) to me, because the reporting
marks
are in Roman.

7. PRR 67402 represents PK, but the numbers 67402 look a little small.
According to Brady, these were 10" numerals under a 14" bold Gothic PRR.

8. And from Terry Stuart: PRR 497289 Terry questions the white S in a
white
box. In every prototype boxcar picture I've seen with this style stores
marking, the S is yellow in a yellow box, not white. Terry is also correct
that the PRR is not quite the correct lettering style. It should probably
be
slightly fatter (it's BOLD Gothic) and placed slightly lower, since this is
just extra markings (and a nonrevenue car number) on a PK paint scheme.

BTW, just to keep the pot boiling, does anybody have a strong opinion of
which
phase (s) is represented by Bowser's lettering of the F30A flat car? If so,
what persuades you it belongs to that phase?

Rick Tipton
On the Panhandle in Louisville KY



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Re: Hoppers?

rwitt_2000
 

Bruce,

I guess I'll jump in ... for some railroads like the B&O the one hole is
the lack of a pre-USRA twin hopper.

For the B&O this was their class N-12 a seven side post design with end
sills built over a decade beginning in 1913 and ending in 1923. It is a
significant class as it seems to be the hopper that moved the B&O coal
car fleet from a mixture of gondolas and twin hoppers to a fleet
composed of essentially all twin hoppers. The B&O had over 10,000 of
these hoppers and was the backbone of the fleet until they began
purchasing AAR off-set side hoppers in large quantities after WWII. It
was their "standard twin hopper" and even though they received almost
3,000 hoppers from the USRA, they immediately returned to building the
N-12 after WWI with an additional 5,000 cars built.

To a lesser extent an earlier B&O hopper, the class N-10, a nine side
post design built in 1905 and 1910 is also needed. A good candidate for
a resin model.

I recall you model the early 1940s so you really need some N-12 with
your fleet of foreign road hoppers.

General Arrangement drawings are available at the Pullman Library at the
IRM for both of these hoppers.

Bob Witt

Bruce Smith wrote:

Armand, who is obviously bored and looking to stir up some action on
the
STMFC list asks... <G>

While there are several models of hoppers available I personally feel
that the current offerings do not truly represent the >prototype
fleet.

Good Golly Armand,

You really want me to ask? Its just that the replies will go on
forever... Ok, I'm a sucker... what are the major holes you see? I
don't have any from my perspective... Here's my analysis for my
fleet.

First, the good news is that we all (or almost all) agree that hoppers
were local/regional in distribution, so it really does matter what
railroad you model as to whose cars you need. Those western guys will
be moaning right about now about how irrelevent this thread is because
it really does not matter for them (much).

As a Pennsy modelers, i have nearly every car I could wish for for my
PRR fleet. Yes, I would LOVE it if some were reissued in 21st century
tooling, but that brings its own set of issues, and I'm going to be
heretical and say that as I get older, I find that a good weathering
job
can make a car with molded on grabs look pretty darn good...

Going beyond the PRR fleet, I can readily find major cars for most
connecting roads such as B&O, C&O, READING, N&W and a whole slew of
midewestern roads. Add into that some really neat "oddballs" such as
Susquehanna and I'm sitting purty. Without wheel reports to guide me,
I'm going 75% PRR, 25% other, with mutliple cars from the connecting
coal roads and single cars from a slew of others. A box from Toy Train
Heaven arrived just last week with N&W and READING fishbelly and WM
channel side 55 ton 2 bays, and I'm just about to order the decals for
my M&StL USRA hopper and AA and Wabash war emergency cars so I have a
bunch of hopper projects on tap... not to mention the resin needing to
built!

So, from my vantage point, between plastic such as Bowser (and
ex-Stewart), Accurail, Tichy and P2K (and not for me, but Kadee) there
is a nice selection, and then resin fills out many cars with
Westerfields, F&C (cheap!) and Sunshine. These cars are too numerous
to
elucidate individually in an email, but I'm sure that many STMFC
listers
will be tempted to do so <G>!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Hoppers?

Bruce Smith
 

Armand, who is obviously bored and looking to stir up some action on the
STMFC list asks... <G>

While there are several models of hoppers available I personally feel
that the current offerings do not truly represent the >prototype fleet.

Good Golly Armand,

You really want me to ask? Its just that the replies will go on
forever... Ok, I'm a sucker... what are the major holes you see? I
don't have any from my perspective... Here's my analysis for my fleet.

First, the good news is that we all (or almost all) agree that hoppers
were local/regional in distribution, so it really does matter what
railroad you model as to whose cars you need. Those western guys will
be moaning right about now about how irrelevent this thread is because
it really does not matter for them (much).

As a Pennsy modelers, i have nearly every car I could wish for for my
PRR fleet. Yes, I would LOVE it if some were reissued in 21st century
tooling, but that brings its own set of issues, and I'm going to be
heretical and say that as I get older, I find that a good weathering job
can make a car with molded on grabs look pretty darn good...

Going beyond the PRR fleet, I can readily find major cars for most
connecting roads such as B&O, C&O, READING, N&W and a whole slew of
midewestern roads. Add into that some really neat "oddballs" such as
Susquehanna and I'm sitting purty. Without wheel reports to guide me,
I'm going 75% PRR, 25% other, with mutliple cars from the connecting
coal roads and single cars from a slew of others. A box from Toy Train
Heaven arrived just last week with N&W and READING fishbelly and WM
channel side 55 ton 2 bays, and I'm just about to order the decals for
my M&StL USRA hopper and AA and Wabash war emergency cars so I have a
bunch of hopper projects on tap... not to mention the resin needing to
built!

So, from my vantage point, between plastic such as Bowser (and
ex-Stewart), Accurail, Tichy and P2K (and not for me, but Kadee) there
is a nice selection, and then resin fills out many cars with
Westerfields, F&C (cheap!) and Sunshine. These cars are too numerous to
elucidate individually in an email, but I'm sure that many STMFC listers
will be tempted to do so <G>!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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thmsdmpsy
 

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Re: Hoppers?

Armand Premo
 

While there are several models of hoppers available I personally feel that the current offerings do not truly represent the prototype fleet.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: al_brown03
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Hoppers?



Per notes from various sources:

CRR 49869, IC 76247 and 87402, D&H 3987, MILW 95009 hoppers
L&A 9144 50' high side gondola
MILW 83117 I don't know (series 81482-83480 *even* were double-sheathed boxcars, most other 8xxxx were gondolas)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Clark and Eileen" <cepropst@...> wrote:
>
> I haven't looked in the ORER yet. But I'm assuming all these cars are hoppers. I'm transcribing a Station Car Record book into Excel and though these entries might be of interest to some.
>
> Train Date Initial Number Contents Consignor Consignee
> 197 6/13/55 LV 60255 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
> 196 6/14/55 CRR 49869 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
> 196 6/14/55 IC 76247 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
> 196 6/14/55 D&H 3987 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
> 196 6/14/55 IC 8740 2 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
> 196 6/14/55 NYC 860008 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
> 196 6/14/55 Milw 95009 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
> 196 6/22/55 L&A 9144 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
> 197 6/26/55 Milw 83117 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
>
>
>
> Clark Propst
> Mason City Iowa
>
>
>


Re: Paint schemes timlines

Tim O'Connor
 

Rich Orr wrote

The PRR shadow Keystone was first applied to class X48 (PS-1) boxcars in February, 1954.
It began being applied to all freight cars in August 1954. The plain keystone was adopted
in late 1961 and applied to all cars beginning in 1962. Keep in mind that there are 4 different
shadow keystone schemes because of changes in the font used in the reporting marks and numerals.

For the complete list of PRR P/L schemes see http://kc.pennsyrr.com/freightops/schemes.php

=====================================================================

Rich,

I wonder if it is worthwhile to re-post this old email from the original
Freightcars mailing list from Rick Tipton regarding the information available
on the Keystone Crossings web site. I don't know enough about PRR schemes to
know whether Rick's "nitpicks" were valid or are still valid today. The email
was posted in January 1999.

Tim O'Connor

======================================================================

All of you must have had a great holiday season, as only Terry Stuart picked
up the challenge to critique points of accuracy on the Keystone Crossings
website freight car lettering "page." Thanks to Jerry Britton for being
tolerant of my beefing about fine points of PRR's freight car lettering
practices; I appreciate his continuing work in keeping us all communicating
via Keystone Crossings and PRR-Talk.

As promised, here's my New Year's Eve list of nitpicks on the freight car
scheme portion of the Keystone Crossings website. Again, I apologize for
being a scale rule Richard (pun intended here), but I've been researching this
area pretty hard recently, and Jerry and I both want the posted info to be
correct.

It's unfortunate that the Summer 1988 Keystone is out of print, as Brady
McGuire's article illustrates all the below so well:

DESCRIPTIONS
1. NK3 "PENNSYLVANIA" is not double-underlined on any of the NK3 pictures I've
found. I've just verified this again from PRR freight car photos in a 1916
Car Builder's Cyclopedia. A one-inch bar is placed between the 7"
PENNSYLVANIA and the 7" car number, like

PENNSYLVANIA
123456

2. NK4. Says the number is underlined, but "PENNSYLVANIA" is not. More
correctly, the 7" reporting marks are bracketed above and below by 1" lines:
_____________
PENNSYLVANIA
123456

3. "Don't Stand Me Still" and the calendar script numbers aren't
contemporaries, and aren't used on the same car.
- DSMS was used only on X29D. In fact, it was used only on 500 of the X29D's
that were rebuilt in August 1955, well into the SK1b period.
- SK1a was used on just a few cars (February to June 1954): 20 X48's, the
first order of 350 H34's, and a few boxcar repaints.
- Don't confuse X29D rebuilds with X29B. X29B's rebuilds (1948) were way too
early to carry SK1a, although some did carry MS1 Merchandise scheme, which is
of course based on the CK scheme.


CAR MODELS SHOWN ON THE SITE
4. PRR 913467 has reporting marks of NK3, but carries CK herald. Wonder if
this ever happened in real life? No prototype photos like this known to me.

5. PRR 69636 is recognizably SK2b pattern, but the PRR and the 69636 don't
look the same size. They should both be 7" letters.

6. PRR 720452 looks like SK2a (not SK2b) to me, because the reporting marks
are in Roman.

7. PRR 67402 represents PK, but the numbers 67402 look a little small.
According to Brady, these were 10" numerals under a 14" bold Gothic PRR.

8. And from Terry Stuart: PRR 497289 Terry questions the white S in a white
box. In every prototype boxcar picture I've seen with this style stores
marking, the S is yellow in a yellow box, not white. Terry is also correct
that the PRR is not quite the correct lettering style. It should probably be
slightly fatter (it's BOLD Gothic) and placed slightly lower, since this is
just extra markings (and a nonrevenue car number) on a PK paint scheme.

BTW, just to keep the pot boiling, does anybody have a strong opinion of which
phase (s) is represented by Bowser's lettering of the F30A flat car? If so,
what persuades you it belongs to that phase?

Rick Tipton
On the Panhandle in Louisville KY


Re: Time Period Covered by STMFC Group

Jim Gates
 

bbfcl - 1954-1986
mfcl is 1960 and later


Jim Gates

________________________________
From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Time Period Covered by STMFC Group


 
There are two other lists:

The Baby Boomer FCL, which I believe covers around 1945 to maybe 1976? I'm
not a member so don't know for sure.

The Modern Freight Cars list, which I believe covers post-1960.

Both are Yahoo! lists and can be found on Yahoo!

SGL

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Dick
Dawson
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:47 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Time Period Covered by STMFC Group

I'm relatively new to this group and find the level of expertise of the
participants to be remarkable. This was certainly exhibited in the photos
from the Lisle RPM Meet. I noticed photos of Penn Central and TTX cars,
which certainly caught my attention, as I designed cars built by both those
companies. Having worked in the freight car industry since the late 1960s,
my interests are more oriented to the period from about 1960 to the present.
This is true, not only because of my personal involvement for most of that
period, but also because of significant changes in freight car use and
construction that took place during that time, including the following:

the widespread use of 100-ton, and later 110-ton, cars

the replacement of solid journal bearings with roller bearings

the replacement of boxcars by covered hopper cars as the primary carriers of
grain, with covered hoppers eventually becoming the most widely used car
type

the introduction of 60-ft. and 86-ft. boxcars, first for auto parts and
eventually (although not 86-ft. cars) for a wide variety of loads

the enormous expansion of intermodal traffic and the proliferation of car
types used to haul it

The STMFC group's limitation to freight cars built prior to 1960 is entirely
logical, as indicated in the name, but the foregoing leads me to the
question of whether there is a similar discussion group that covers the
period after 1960. Any suggestions from the participants in this group
would be greatly appreciated.

Dick Dawson

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<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "dh30973"
<dhussey@...> wrote:

The photos I took at the Lisle RPM Meet are up at:

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/lisle2011
<http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/lisle2011
<http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/lisle2011&page=all> &page=all> &page=all

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Re: Hoppers?

al_brown03
 

Per notes from various sources:

CRR 49869, IC 76247 and 87402, D&H 3987, MILW 95009 hoppers
L&A 9144 50' high side gondola
MILW 83117 I don't know (series 81482-83480 *even* were double-sheathed boxcars, most other 8xxxx were gondolas)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Clark and Eileen" <cepropst@...> wrote:

I haven't looked in the ORER yet. But I'm assuming all these cars are hoppers. I'm transcribing a Station Car Record book into Excel and though these entries might be of interest to some.

Train Date Initial Number Contents Consignor Consignee
197 6/13/55 LV 60255 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 CRR 49869 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 IC 76247 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 D&H 3987 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 IC 8740 2 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 NYC 860008 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 Milw 95009 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/22/55 L&A 9144 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
197 6/26/55 Milw 83117 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const



Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: Paint schemes timlines

SUVCWORR@...
 

The PRR shadow Keystone was first applied to class X48 (PS-1) boxcars in February, 1954. It began being applied to all freight cars in August 1954. The plain keystone was adopted in late 1961 and applied to all cars beginning in 1962. Keep in mind that there are 4 different shadow keystone schemes because of changes in the font used in the reporting marks and numerals.

For the complete list of PRR P/L schemes see http://kc.pennsyrr.com/freightops/schemes.php

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: oandle <oandle@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sun, Oct 30, 2011 7:27 am
Subject: [STMFC] Paint schemes timlines


Hi Guys!
Could someone please give me a rough timeline for the following paint schemes.
Pennsy's Keystone, SP's Gothic, and Western Maryland's Speed lettering. Thanks!
Bob Weston



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Re: Paint schemes timlines

Richard Townsend
 

According to Oertly and McFall's Western Maryland Railway Revenue Equipment: Box Cars and Refrigerator Cars speed lettering was first applied (to hoppers) in late 1952 and early 1953. The implication is that all cars built or repainted after that got speed lettering.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Time Period Covered by STMFC Group

Tim O'Connor
 

Dick, yes, BBFCL is focused on 1954 to 1986. But mostly we seem to
discuss 1960's and 1970's, the "sweet spot" I guess.

Tim O'Connor

The STMFC group's limitation to freight cars built prior to 1960 is entirely
logical, as indicated in the name, but the foregoing leads me to the
question of whether there is a similar discussion group that covers the
period after 1960. Any suggestions from the participants in this group
would be greatly appreciated.

Dick Dawson


Re: ACCURAIL 40-foot Steel Fruit Growers Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Bill... Yes I agree WFEX 68400-68649 fit the bill.

Dennis identified the 1952+ WHIX/FHIX/BREX cars as the prototypes
for the plug door car, but...

But I am wondering about WFEX 68650-69099 as possible prototypes for
the plug door (sliding door if you prefer) car -- I have no photo of
these cars but the kit seems to share ends and roof with the swing door
model, and they were built by PC&F either at the same time or immediately
after the WFEX 68400 series. I ask this because the WHIX cars were 7'6" IH
while the earlier cars with 6'6" -- quite a height difference!

Tim O'Connor



Message 91924
Bill Welch

"The hinged or swing door example from Accurail appears to be an
accurate representation of one group of 250 cars (WFEX 68400-68640)
built for WFE by Pacific Car & Foundry in 1949 characterized by the
hinges more or less shaped like a "home plate," double rows of
rivets, and 7' 6" doors. The door height will make this a problematic
kit to rework to represent other post-1948 FGE/WFE/BRE/NX cars. The model
appears to lack the fan drive mechanism representations which will be
easy to add. I will be curious to see what brake wheel they do,
generic or actual.

The center sill step appears accurate for the WFE hinged door model
but is not accurate for any FGE/WFE/BRE/NX sliding door reefer. Aside
from this easy fix, this appears to a good representation of most of
the FGE/WFE/BRE/NX sliding door fleet. There were some variations of
the improved Dreadnaught end within the sliding door cars. Again
there is no fan mechanism represented.


Re: Paint schemes timlines

Bruce Smith
 

Rich,

Lets all be REALLy clear, since I think a great number of folks assumed
(as did I) that Bob's question referred to the shadow keystone scheme
and not the ball keystone (aka circle key)...

Ball keystone - 1930s
Shadow keystone - 1950s

Rich C <rhcdmc@...> 10/30/11 1:52 PM >>>
1930 on the Pennsy Keystone

Rich Christie


________________________________
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Paint schemes timlines



Bob Weston wrote:
Could someone please give me a rough timeline for the following
paint schemes. Pennsy's Keystone, SP's Gothic, and Western
Maryland's Speed lettering. Thanks!
The SP "Gothic" scheme was first tried in July of 1955 and
began to be applied to multiple cars that fall. The WM Speed Lettering
started at least as early as the summer of 1953. I don't know an exact
date.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history








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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Clark Propst
 

I've been busy after returning from the Lisle RPM transcribing the Dallas Center Station Car Records Doug Harding provided me with some time ago. Now they're in the files section. I was motivated by John Golden's presentation on Ackley at the Lisle meet to finish this work.

Please study our brains out : ))

Clark Propst


Re: Paint schemes timlines

Rich C
 

1930 on the Pennsy Keystone
 
Rich Christie


________________________________
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Paint schemes timlines


 
Bob Weston wrote:
Could someone please give me a rough timeline for the following
paint schemes. Pennsy's Keystone, SP's Gothic, and Western
Maryland's Speed lettering. Thanks!
The SP "Gothic" scheme was first tried in July of 1955 and
began to be applied to multiple cars that fall. The WM Speed Lettering
started at least as early as the summer of 1953. I don't know an exact
date.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




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New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

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Re: Paint schemes timlines

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob Weston wrote:
Could someone please give me a rough timeline for the following paint schemes. Pennsy's Keystone, SP's Gothic, and Western Maryland's Speed lettering. Thanks!
The SP "Gothic" scheme was first tried in July of 1955 and began to be applied to multiple cars that fall. The WM Speed Lettering started at least as early as the summer of 1953. I don't know an exact date.

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Re: Speedwitch, PM/C&O Auto car

npin53
 

They are listed on the Speedwitch website as of right now.

Aaron

I would LOVE to build this kit. I ordered (and paid) for one in July of 2010. So far no kit.

Dave Campbell


Re: Time Period Covered by STMFC Group

Bryan Busséy
 

The group name is bbfcl.

bb

On 10/30/2011 11:04 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Baby Boomer FCL


Re: Hoppers?

Ed
 

According to the Lehigh Valley Modeler web site (http://www.anthraciterailroads.org/lvrrmodeler/boxcars.htm), LV 60255 was a 40 ft wood sheathed box car. Sunshine modeled that car as item number 37.10.

Ed Robinson

--- In STMFC@..., "Clark and Eileen" <cepropst@...> wrote:

I haven't looked in the ORER yet. But I'm assuming all these cars are hoppers. I'm transcribing a Station Car Record book into Excel and though these entries might be of interest to some.

Train Date Initial Number Contents Consignor Consignee
197 6/13/55 LV 60255 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 CRR 49869 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 IC 76247 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 D&H 3987 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 IC 8740 2 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 NYC 860008 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/14/55 Milw 95009 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
196 6/22/55 L&A 9144 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const
197 6/26/55 Milw 83117 Limestone Ferguson Ia Hallet Const



Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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