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Re: ATSF Ft-W

Tim O'Connor
 

Well, yeah, I thought that much was obvious. But thousands of cars
are in assigned service without the route being stenciled on them...
From the configuration it looks like it carried plate glass or maybe
carbodies.

At 11/14/2011 02:49 AM Monday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
I just had to ask -- Anyone ever see a freight car with the routing
information stenciled on the car before now? "Return via EJ&E-C&O"!
Probably in assigned service.

Tony Thompson


Re: N&W basket cars

Charles Hladik
 

Tim,
Thanks.
Chuck

In a message dated 11/14/2011 2:24:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
timboconnor@... writes:




auto parts

At 11/13/2011 09:56 PM Sunday, you wrote:
What were the Norfolk & Western basket cars used for, and where?
Hopefully Jim Brewer will jump in .
Thanks,
Chuck Hladik





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Re: ATSF Ft-W

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
I just had to ask -- Anyone ever see a freight car with the routing information stenciled on the car before now? "Return via EJ&E-C&O"!
Probably in assigned service.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


ATSF Ft-W

Tim O'Connor
 

I just had to ask -- Anyone ever see a freight car with the routing
information stenciled on the car before now? "Return via EJ&E-C&O"!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MFCL/photos/album/758144841/pic/2094738302/view

Tim O'


Re: N&W basket cars

Tim O'Connor
 

auto parts

At 11/13/2011 09:56 PM Sunday, you wrote:
What were the Norfolk & Western basket cars used for, and where?
Hopefully Jim Brewer will jump in .
Thanks,
Chuck Hladik


Tank car identification help, please

Greg Kennelly <gregkennelly@...>
 

Group,

I have uploaded a photograph of Water Car PGE 1931 to an album labelled "Pacific Great Eastern Tank Cars" in the Photos section at the following link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/1332554694/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/1332554694/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc> . The PGE acquired this car some time in the 1947 - 1950 time period (most likely mid-1950). I am hoping that the size, 7490 - 7499 Imperial Gallons (approximately 8770 US gallons), the arrangement of the tank cradle at the end sills, the interesting hold down band and clamp arrangement at the end of the tank, the use of a dome collar and hold down band, the distinctive tank cradles attached to the centre sill (castings, forgings, or fabricated?) for the first pair of hold down bands either side of the dome, together with the high walkway configuration will provide enough clues for someone to identify the builder and/or the original owner.

Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Greg Kennelly
Burnaby, BC


N&W basket cars

Charles Hladik
 

What were the Norfolk & Western basket cars used for, and where?
Hopefully Jim Brewer will jump in .
Thanks,
Chuck Hladik


Re: F&C PRR GR Gondolas - backdating

Pieter Roos
 

Hi Ben;

I can't argue the point, having seen the USRA SS boxcar drawing by Hundman, but IIRC the article and drawings were not necessarily by Hundman. I don't have the issue handy to check.

Pieter Roos
Connecticut

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Todd Horton asked:
"Do you mean lawsuit or inaccurate information?"

Inaccurate information.  The two examples I can cite are the HO scale Ertl USRA
boxcars and the Broadway Limited PRR Class K7A stock cars.  The Ertl USRA
boxcars used a Hundman lettering summary that contained several fanciful
lettering schemes (including ACL, CNW, RI).  Fortunately for BLI, we received
photos of the pre-production models in time to correct the lettering errors from
the Hundman drawing correct the lettering; however, BLI also picked up truck
errors from the drawing (which didn't accurately depict any class of PRR
trucks), and ended up retooling the trucks.


Ben Hom 


Re: Placards

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony, if you can figure out how to print a sheet of tiny
HO scale "Post-It Note" style placards I think the world might
beat a path to your door... I'd buy a sheet!

If they could be printed with microscopic lettering, we might
be able to get rid of large paper waybills too!

Tim O'Connor

One problem for the meticulous modeler is that placards for many
loads were REMOVED on unloading. That's okay if, like me, you have a
"one-sided" layout, with no reversing loop, because I can put the
placard only on one side of the model. Then that load placard on one
side of a car can disappear, simply by turning 180 degrees for the
following session, and the load-placard side isn't visible. But two-
sided layouts will require careful staging for this to work. Of course
a through car which always runs from staging to staging can have
whatever placard arrangement you wish and it's still okay. The problem
is with cars you switch, and either an empty gets loaded, or a load
gets unloaded, with what SHOULD be a corresponding change in placard
status.

Tony Thompson


Re: Placards

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Tim, I'd welcome revisions; however I'd be happy just to see the sets reprinted in their original form, especially since there seems to be renews interest in warning placards, destination cards, etc.
One problem for the meticulous modeler is that placards for many loads were REMOVED on unloading. That's okay if, like me, you have a "one-sided" layout, with no reversing loop, because I can put the placard only on one side of the model. Then that load placard on one side of a car can disappear, simply by turning 180 degrees for the following session, and the load-placard side isn't visible. But two- sided layouts will require careful staging for this to work. Of course a through car which always runs from staging to staging can have whatever placard arrangement you wish and it's still okay. The problem is with cars you switch, and either an empty gets loaded, or a load gets unloaded, with what SHOULD be a corresponding change in placard status.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Placards

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 13, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Richard

I have frequently used these sets, but I'd like to see yours revised
to include some notices with very small print (doesn't have to be
legible)
as well as different colors like pink, pale green, pale yellow etc. I
don't really need 20 more white "Unload Other Side" notices with
large black
letters. :-) In modern times I have sometimes seen notices taped to
the
side of a car, instead of stapled to the tack board. Was this ever
done
in the STMFC era?

There are some other variations of the hazard placards I'd like to
see too,
like the "fumigation" (not sure of the exact phrase) placard seen
on that
box car in the NMRA reprint of the 1953 ORER.
Tim, I'd welcome revisions; however I'd be happy just to see the sets
reprinted in their original form, especially since there seems to be
renews interest in warning placards, destination cards, etc.

If route cars were attached to the sides with tape in the steam era,
I have yet to see any photo documentation, so I think the answer is
that they were usually/always stapled.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: D&RGW Boxcar Color

Roland Levin
 

Nelson,



You are right, D&RGW Freight car red is the correct name. I like the color
and it looks correct compared to photos of the old 40’ 12 panel cars.



Roland



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Poly Scale has D&RGW Brown, but that's a depot trim color, not a boxcar
color. It goes with D&RGW Cream, the primary depot color. They also have a
D&RGW Freight Red, which may be intended for boxcars, stock cars, etc. I
don't have this color, nor have I seen it. I have the D&RGW Brown, and it's
definitely not a freight car color.

Nelson

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Hi Bob,

I can’t help you with Floquil. I use Polyscale D&RGW box car brown.

Roland

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Ämne: [STMFC] D&RGW Boxcar Color

As part of my campaign to better balance my boxcar roster, I bought
Sunshine's 12-panel 10'4" D&RGW boxcar kit, and the recent discussions re
the
D&RGW brake system motivated me to build it.

I'm at a dead end re color. Sunshine's prototype date sheet mentions
"boxcar brown," and the kit instructions are silent re a recommended model
paint
color. The RPC freight car color table offers no help on this one.

Not being a D&RGW guy -- any recommendations re a Floquil color that will
get me into the proper color ballpark?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman

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Re: NKP 90000-90049 & NKP 90050-90099

al_brown03
 

A photo of NKP 90077 appears in a kitbashing article by Mont Switzer in MM 11/96, pp 36-39. There's also a small in-service photo of NKP 90092 in DeYoung, "Erie Lackawanna in Color, vol 4", p 13.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Bud Rindfleisch" <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@..., "doswift" <doswift@> wrote:

G'Day All,

While reading over the instructions for my F&C kit for an Erie Dunmore built covered hopper, I was surprised to learn that GATC supplied the Nickel Plate & UP with kits of the same design. Has anyone come across photos of the NKP(later N&W) and UP cars? I did find frieght car diagrams online for the NKP cars.

NKP 90000-90049

http://www.alphabetroute.com/nkp/diagrams/1962FrtCar/90000-90049.pdf

NKP 90050-90099

http://www.alphabetroute.com/nkp/diagrams/1962FrtCar/90050-90099.pdf

Darrall Swift - Colorado Springs
Modeling the BN/MILW in North Central Montana, Great Falls to Shelby, Circa:1979
Darrall, I have a b&w photo of NKP 90050, if that would help. I'm also looking for a decent side view of one of the 90000-90049 series which is the clone of the Erie Dunmore.
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Placards

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard

I have frequently used these sets, but I'd like to see yours revised
to include some notices with very small print (doesn't have to be legible)
as well as different colors like pink, pale green, pale yellow etc. I
don't really need 20 more white "Unload Other Side" notices with large black
letters. :-) In modern times I have sometimes seen notices taped to the
side of a car, instead of stapled to the tack board. Was this ever done
in the STMFC era?

There are some other variations of the hazard placards I'd like to see too,
like the "fumigation" (not sure of the exact phrase) placard seen on that
box car in the NMRA reprint of the 1953 ORER.

Tim O'Connor

Microscale once cataloged both a modern (i.e., post '60s) decal set,
#228, and a steam era set, #975, which included hazardous placards.
The modern set also had smaller placards as well as some of the chalk-
marking graffiti that had begin to appear at that time; the steam era
set had placards for certain loads that were not dangerous but
required special handling - glass, flint, newsprint - as well as do
not hump, unload this side, bad order, etc. I'm not sure whether
those sets are still available, as I got enough of both to last a
couple of lifetimes, but if they're out of print, they can (and
should) be re-introduced.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: D&RGW Boxcar Color

Tim O'Connor
 

Just thought I'd point out this photo of the D&RGW "triple door" (as
it was described) box, in a very appealing paint scheme...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/380384029798

Tim O'Connor

As part of my campaign to better balance my boxcar roster, I bought
Sunshine's 12-panel 10'4" D&RGW boxcar kit, and the recent discussions re the
D&RGW brake system motivated me to build it.

I'm at a dead end re color. Sunshine's prototype date sheet mentions
"boxcar brown," and the kit instructions are silent re a recommended model paint
color. The RPC freight car color table offers no help on this one.

Not being a D&RGW guy -- any recommendations re a Floquil color that will
get me into the proper color ballpark?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman


Re: D&RGW Boxcar Color

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Poly Scale has D&RGW Brown, but that's a depot trim color, not a boxcar
color. It goes with D&RGW Cream, the primary depot color. They also have a
D&RGW Freight Red, which may be intended for boxcars, stock cars, etc. I
don't have this color, nor have I seen it. I have the D&RGW Brown, and it's
definitely not a freight car color.

Nelson

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Roland Levin
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: SV: [STMFC] D&RGW Boxcar Color




Hi Bob,

I can’t help you with Floquil. I use Polyscale D&RGW box car brown.

Roland

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Ämne: [STMFC] D&RGW Boxcar Color

As part of my campaign to better balance my boxcar roster, I bought
Sunshine's 12-panel 10'4" D&RGW boxcar kit, and the recent discussions re
the
D&RGW brake system motivated me to build it.

I'm at a dead end re color. Sunshine's prototype date sheet mentions
"boxcar brown," and the kit instructions are silent re a recommended model
paint
color. The RPC freight car color table offers no help on this one.

Not being a D&RGW guy -- any recommendations re a Floquil color that will
get me into the proper color ballpark?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman

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Re: D&RGW Boxcar Color

Roland Levin
 

Hi Bob,



I can’t help you with Floquil. I use Polyscale D&RGW box car brown.



Roland



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Ämne: [STMFC] D&RGW Boxcar Color





As part of my campaign to better balance my boxcar roster, I bought
Sunshine's 12-panel 10'4" D&RGW boxcar kit, and the recent discussions re
the
D&RGW brake system motivated me to build it.

I'm at a dead end re color. Sunshine's prototype date sheet mentions
"boxcar brown," and the kit instructions are silent re a recommended model
paint
color. The RPC freight car color table offers no help on this one.

Not being a D&RGW guy -- any recommendations re a Floquil color that will
get me into the proper color ballpark?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman


Stock Car Question

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Group...

While looking through the June, 1954 issue of Railroad Magazine, on page 61, I found this Q&A that I wanted to share with the Group:


Q)...Approximately how many farm animals can be loaded into one stock car?

A)...That depends upon the size of the car and the kind of animal. Generally a standard 36-foot stock car holds 18 to 25 horses, 25 to 30 medium-weight beef cattle, 60 to 65 market weight hogs, or 110 to 120 fat lambs per deck of the car.


Hope this information is helpful to the Group.

Steve Vallee


Re: Destination Cards

Keith Jordan
 

The Santa Fe's destination, or car cards as they called them, were 3x3 inch manila cardstock. On them, the had the initial location (in the case of the ones I've researched Los Angeles), a date, zone number/terminal destination (ie, Kansas City), car initials, number, contents and destination (ie, ABC Grocers).

Those of you who've seen my presentation on the Patch at Naperville or elsewhere, saw the film "Assembling a Freight Train," which showed the industry clerk tacking them to the sides of the cars, referred to as "carding the car." In the film, the clerk used the side of flat nosed pliers to tack the card.

On my website, www.patchrailroad.net, under Patch Operations, I have some photos taken from the film, a picture of a card and some additional explanation. In the 2012 issue of Great Model Railroads, my article on the Patch has a sidebar on how I use the car cards in operation.

Keith Jordan


Re: Placards

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Jim Betz wrote:
Tony,
Thanks for the link to your blog and the excellent write up about
route cards. If you are of a mind to do so - you might add a bit of
coverage about the tack boards on the ends of cars and when they
were used (and not?) and for want.
I believe, though I have no specific knowledge, that any
placard having to do with hazards or special handling of the cargo
were applied to both sides and ends. Notices such as "Unload Other
Side" would be most meaningful only on a side door.
Warning placards were required to be placed on both sides and ends of
cars carrying hazardous cargoes, which is why box cars and reefers
had placard boards on the ends as well as the sides.
Question - some one mentioned hazard placarding. Wasn't it
relatively rare for hazardous loads to be transported in any type of
car other than tanks - or is it just so much more common in tanks
that we don't see the hazard placarding on other car types?
I think your second possibility the most likely, but don't
really know....
In addition to flammable liquids loading in tank cars, hazardous
materials included flammable liquids in barrels or drums, poisonous
liquids and gasses, compressed gasses, corrosive liquids, and
explosives, all of which had their own distinctive warning placards.
Such materials were often shipped in house cars, so placarding was
often required on cars other than tank cars, as evidenced by many
photos in my collection.

I seem to recall discussion of the tank car placard formats in
different
eras, on this list, some years back, but don't find it on a cursory
search. I believe there are decals for tank car placards of both the
modern and transition eras.
Microscale once cataloged both a modern (i.e., post '60s) decal set,
#228, and a steam era set, #975, which included hazardous placards.
The modern set also had smaller placards as well as some of the chalk-
marking graffiti that had begin to appear at that time; the steam era
set had placards for certain loads that were not dangerous but
required special handling - glass, flint, newsprint - as well as do
not hump, unload this side, bad order, etc. I'm not sure whether
those sets are still available, as I got enough of both to last a
couple of lifetimes, but if they're out of print, they can (and
should) be re-introduced.

Richard Hendrickson

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