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Re: SERX/Linde box cars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Dec 2, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

I have multiple views of Linde box cars with a small door in the
end of the car, but all of the views show the B-end only. Did the
A-end of the cars also have this small door?
Tim,
Both ends had the doors. For an article on these cars see RP CYC Vol.
14.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: New MDT book

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Tony,
 
I am in agreement with you. Any serious modeler knows how to read the Railroad Equipment Register for his, or her era.
All the dimentions you need are right in the book. There must be some confusion at the local level as you suggest. I have several tomes on reefers and this one is one of the best in my library. To Roger, thank you for taking the time and effort
to educate the rest of us about this important reefer fleet. I, for one, appreciate it very much.
 
Fred Freitas
list owner = reefer madness 


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From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New MDT book


 
Stan Schwedler wrote:
We received the new MDT book for stock for our store. People that
were wanting it have canceled in buying one. While it is probably a
very good corporate history, for the model builder they find it
lacking. It would had been a lot nicer if scale drawings were
included. Most of our customers are model builders. Instead, the
drawings are only 2 views (side and end), with no underframe or
cross sections. And they are not printed to any known scale, and no
dimensions are given to even scale from. I suppose you can assume
the wheelbase of the trucks are 5' 6" and you can go from there. But
it would be better to have a longer known dimension.
Here is a superb resource on the MDT's complex car fleet,
INCLUDING fine drawings and dozens of excellent photos, and MODELERS
are "canceling?" What more do they want? Extremely few freight car
books of any kind are as complete and thorough as this one. Yes, I'm
biased, but I think Stan's customers are confused.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: Big Glaring Freight Car Hole

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Since my modeling begins in the late 1950's I'd love to see kits for DESPATCH built steel ice reefers, especially those that wore NRC reporting
marks. Are those (NRC) cars covered in the MDT book?
Yes.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


SERX/Linde box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

I have multiple views of Linde box cars with a small door in the
end of the car, but all of the views show the B-end only. Did the
A-end of the cars also have this small door?

Thanks

Tim O'Connor


FS: Close-out TMW Bettendorf Swing motion caboose trucks

Andy Carlson
 

Hi,

I have some reduced priced Tahoe Model Works #204, the HO Bettendorf Swing
Motion Caboose trucks from the 1930s. Equipped with semi-scale 33" code 88 metal
wheelsets.

These close-out priced trucks are new, but w/o factory packaging. $4.85 each,
plus $1.50 shipping per order (one or more trucks). I accept checks and money
orders. I also accept PayPal with a 5% surcharge.

Please use my off-list address if interested. <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


updated listing

jerryglow2
 

I've added a few new sets including some I've never listed. One new one
is for a 40' AAR W&LE boxcar built by ACF. I did ones for the Pullman
built ones with proprietary ends for Stan Rydarowicz and that set is
available from him as are parts and/or kit to model it.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/


Re: Big Glaring Freight Car Hole

Tim O'Connor
 

Since my modeling begins in the late 1950's I'd love to see kits for
DESPATCH built steel ice reefers, especially those that wore NRC reporting
marks. Are those (NRC) cars covered in the MDT book?

Tim O'Connor

Gerry:

I am not an expert on MDT but I am sure others can furnish information in terms of drawings and the many paint and stenciling schemes for these cars, both in their original form and as they evolved over time. Given the many refrigerator car kits already available (or available in the past) in styrene and resin, this particular prototype, of which there were thousands, sticks out like a sore thumb as a void to be filled.

I would think a logical place for your company to begin would be to purchase a copy of the new MDT book so that you can understand the significance of the cars in question.

Bill Welch


Re: Big Glaring Freight Car Hole

Bill Welch
 

Gerry:

I am not an expert on MDT but I am sure others can furnish information in terms of drawings and the many paint and stenciling schemes for these cars, both in their original form and as they evolved over time. Given the many refrigerator car kits already available (or available in the past) in styrene and resin, this particular prototype, of which there were thousands, sticks out like a sore thumb as a void to be filled.

I would think a logical place for your company to begin would be to purchase a copy of the new MDT book so that you can understand the significance of the cars in question.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Siegel" <cgsiegel@...> wrote:

Bill,
We have just formed a small company to limited production of models that are not available. We plan to do a limited run to fill orders received and then discontinue that item.
If you and the group can give us an idea of the interest we would be happy to explore it with you further.
Gerry Siegel

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Re: New MDT book

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, ROGER HINMAN <rhinman11@...> wrote:

The drawings for the book were all done in 2D CAD and originally printed in O scale. It is relatively low tech in this day and age to copy and scale any printed drawing. I would be more than glad to provide a truck center distance for any of the crawings where that dimension does not occur in the book. The intent of the drawings was to capture as accurately as possible the look of a typical car in the various decades of the company's existence using all data sources available.

In addition to corporate history, there is a significant effort to organize and describe the vast amount of equipment this company built or purchased. Of interest to a model buiider is a resource to better help them identify what cars they are interested in by data tables,photographic history, and bibliographic sources. Many on this list have expressed skepticism in many modeler's car drawings published over the years since they have led to some disastrous consequences when an incorrect model was produced. Most manufacturers today prefer to find original drawings. Thanks to the efforts of some libraries and historical societies, many original MDT drawings are available once one acquires the knowledge to know what to look for. This book was my humble attempt to share some of that knowledge.


There is no need for you to defend such a wonderful effort, Roger. Those that need to defend themselves are those who are not sharp enough to realize and appreciate what you have provided for them at a cost of pennies in comparison to the cost for them to go out and find all this information on their own. One simply cannot please all of the people all of the time so I wouldn't worry a wit about those who might cancel.....and then come whining back when they cannot find a copy or find one for which the asking price has not doubled. Keep up the great work!

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Big Glaring Freight Car Hole

ghslaw31
 

Bill,
We have just formed a small company to limited production of models that are not available. We plan to do a limited run to fill orders received and then discontinue that item.
If you and the group can give us an idea of the interest we would be happy to explore it with you further.
Gerry Siegel


Re: New MDT book

Dennis Williams
 

Roger.
  I like the book and all the info.  I wish to thank all that was involved. 
Dennis Williams/Owner
www.resinbuilders4u.com


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From: ROGER HINMAN <rhinman11@verizon.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New MDT book

The drawings  for the book were all done in 2D CAD and originally printed in O scale. It is relatively low tech in this day and age to copy and scale any printed drawing. I would be more than glad to provide a truck center distance for any of the crawings where that dimension does not occur in the book. The intent of the drawings was to capture as accurately as possible the look of a typical car in the various decades of the company's existence using all data sources available.

In addition to corporate history, there is a significant effort to organize and describe the vast amount of equipment this company built or purchased. Of interest to a model buiider is a resource to better help them identify what cars they are interested in by data tables,photographic history, and bibliographic sources. Many on this list have expressed skepticism in many modeler's car drawings published over the years since they have led to some disastrous consequences when an incorrect model was produced. Most manufacturers today prefer to find original drawings. Thanks to the efforts of some libraries and historical societies, many original MDT drawings are available once one acquires the knowledge to know what to look for. This book was my humble attempt to share some of that knowledge.


Roger Hinman


On Dec 1, 2011, at 6:44 PM, coronadoscalemodels wrote:

We received the new MDT book for stock for our store. People that were wanting it have canceled in buying one. While it is probably a very good corporate history, for the model builder they find it lacking. It would had been a lot nicer if scale drawings were included. Most of our customers are model builders. Instead, the drawings are only 2 views (side and end), with no underframe or cross sections. And they are not printed to any known scale, and no dimensions are given to even scale from. I suppose you can assume the wheelbase of the trucks are 5' 6" and you can go from there. But it would be better to have a longer known dimension.

Were the drawings included in the book part of a more complete drawing that can be obtained elsewhere?

Stan Schwedler
Coronado Scale Models

Listers,
I highly recommend the new MDT book for your resource library.
It is filled with photos, plans, and charts the serious modeler
will find hard to put down. Kudos to Roger Hinman for putting this great volume together.

Fred Freitas


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Re: New MDT book

ROGER HINMAN
 

The drawings for the book were all done in 2D CAD and originally printed in O scale. It is relatively low tech in this day and age to copy and scale any printed drawing. I would be more than glad to provide a truck center distance for any of the crawings where that dimension does not occur in the book. The intent of the drawings was to capture as accurately as possible the look of a typical car in the various decades of the company's existence using all data sources available.

In addition to corporate history, there is a significant effort to organize and describe the vast amount of equipment this company built or purchased. Of interest to a model buiider is a resource to better help them identify what cars they are interested in by data tables,photographic history, and bibliographic sources. Many on this list have expressed skepticism in many modeler's car drawings published over the years since they have led to some disastrous consequences when an incorrect model was produced. Most manufacturers today prefer to find original drawings. Thanks to the efforts of some libraries and historical societies, many original MDT drawings are available once one acquires the knowledge to know what to look for. This book was my humble attempt to share some of that knowledge.


Roger Hinman


On Dec 1, 2011, at 6:44 PM, coronadoscalemodels wrote:

We received the new MDT book for stock for our store. People that were wanting it have canceled in buying one. While it is probably a very good corporate history, for the model builder they find it lacking. It would had been a lot nicer if scale drawings were included. Most of our customers are model builders. Instead, the drawings are only 2 views (side and end), with no underframe or cross sections. And they are not printed to any known scale, and no dimensions are given to even scale from. I suppose you can assume the wheelbase of the trucks are 5' 6" and you can go from there. But it would be better to have a longer known dimension.

Were the drawings included in the book part of a more complete drawing that can be obtained elsewhere?

Stan Schwedler
Coronado Scale Models

Listers,
I highly recommend the new MDT book for your resource library.
It is filled with photos, plans, and charts the serious modeler
will find hard to put down. Kudos to Roger Hinman for putting this great volume together.

Fred Freitas


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Re: Recent NHH&TS "Shoreliner" & Perishables

Bill Welch
 

Peter

Do either or both cover perishable traffic?

Bill

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Ness" <prness@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

Shoreliner Vol 33 Issues 2 and 3 have articles titled; "West End Freight" and "West End Freight - The Trains". The first article covers operations at New York Harbor while the second article covers freight movement over the rails.

Regards,
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Welch
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Recent NHH&TS "Shoreliner" & Perishables



Someone tipped that a recent issue or issues of the New Haven
Historical Society's "Shoreliner" magazine has an article that at
least in part discusses the handling of perishables. Is there someone
on this list that point me to which issue or issues I need. I cannot
tell from the descriptions on the website although it appears it may
be either issues Volume 33 Issues #2 or #3 or both.

Thank you!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...

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Re: Recent NHH&TS "Shoreliner" & Perishables

Peter Ness
 

Hi Bill,

Shoreliner Vol 33 Issues 2 and 3 have articles titled; "West End Freight" and "West End Freight - The Trains". The first article covers operations at New York Harbor while the second article covers freight movement over the rails.

Regards,
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Welch
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Recent NHH&TS "Shoreliner" & Perishables



Someone tipped that a recent issue or issues of the New Haven
Historical Society's "Shoreliner" magazine has an article that at
least in part discusses the handling of perishables. Is there someone
on this list that point me to which issue or issues I need. I cannot
tell from the descriptions on the website although it appears it may
be either issues Volume 33 Issues #2 or #3 or both.

Thank you!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Recent NHH&TS "Shoreliner" & Perishables

Bill Welch
 

Someone tipped that a recent issue or issues of the New Haven
Historical Society's "Shoreliner" magazine has an article that at
least in part discusses the handling of perishables. Is there someone
on this list that point me to which issue or issues I need. I cannot
tell from the descriptions on the website although it appears it may
be either issues Volume 33 Issues #2 or #3 or both.

Thank you!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: Reweigh rules

william darnaby
 

In addition to repack and air brake dates from the 50's the ideal set would
also have an assortment of LT WT and LD LMT weights for typical house cars
as these are frequently patch painted when reweighed. IIRC, Sunshine
did/does have a small set like this but I passed on it as all of the dates
were from the 40's. Yeah, yeah...I know...quit complaining and get busy and
pull info together for some decals. But I have a layout to finish <g>!

Bill Darnaby


Re: New MDT book

Paul Lyons
 

Seem to be a little touchy Tony! (grin)
Paul Lyons

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From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New MDT book




Stan Schwedler wrote:
We received the new MDT book for stock for our store. People that
were wanting it have canceled in buying one. While it is probably a
very good corporate history, for the model builder they find it
lacking. It would had been a lot nicer if scale drawings were
included. Most of our customers are model builders. Instead, the
drawings are only 2 views (side and end), with no underframe or
cross sections. And they are not printed to any known scale, and no
dimensions are given to even scale from. I suppose you can assume
the wheelbase of the trucks are 5' 6" and you can go from there. But
it would be better to have a longer known dimension.
Here is a superb resource on the MDT's complex car fleet,
INCLUDING fine drawings and dozens of excellent photos, and MODELERS
are "canceling?" What more do they want? Extremely few freight car
books of any kind are as complete and thorough as this one. Yes, I'm
biased, but I think Stan's customers are confused.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history







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Re: New MDT book

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Stan Schwedler wrote:
We received the new MDT book for stock for our store. People that were wanting it have canceled in buying one. While it is probably a very good corporate history, for the model builder they find it lacking. It would had been a lot nicer if scale drawings were included. Most of our customers are model builders. Instead, the drawings are only 2 views (side and end), with no underframe or cross sections. And they are not printed to any known scale, and no dimensions are given to even scale from. I suppose you can assume the wheelbase of the trucks are 5' 6" and you can go from there. But it would be better to have a longer known dimension.
Here is a superb resource on the MDT's complex car fleet, INCLUDING fine drawings and dozens of excellent photos, and MODELERS are "canceling?" What more do they want? Extremely few freight car books of any kind are as complete and thorough as this one. Yes, I'm biased, but I think Stan's customers are confused.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: New MDT book

coronadoscalemodels
 

We received the new MDT book for stock for our store. People that were wanting it have canceled in buying one. While it is probably a very good corporate history, for the model builder they find it lacking. It would had been a lot nicer if scale drawings were included. Most of our customers are model builders. Instead, the drawings are only 2 views (side and end), with no underframe or cross sections. And they are not printed to any known scale, and no dimensions are given to even scale from. I suppose you can assume the wheelbase of the trucks are 5' 6" and you can go from there. But it would be better to have a longer known dimension.

Were the drawings included in the book part of a more complete drawing that can be obtained elsewhere?

Stan Schwedler
Coronado Scale Models

Listers,
I highly recommend the new MDT book for your resource library.
It is filled with photos, plans, and charts the serious modeler
will find hard to put down. Kudos to Roger Hinman for putting this great volume together.

Fred Freitas


Re: Big Glaring Freight Car Hole

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 1, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

I realize we all have opinions about the obvious holes in the types
of freight cars yet to be offered in kit form, but in my own opinion,
and as the new MDT book will help underscore and document the
numerous possibilities, the largest class of Wood Sheathed MDT
reefers built with DS ends and fishbelly u/f begs to be offered.
Maybe there are some resinators lurking that will do this, although I
think it is the kind of thing that could be justified in styrene too.
Agreed. I could certainly use one.

Richard Hendrickson

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